Unions not the only ones unhappy with Qantas management

[Talkwrench]

Interesting story in The Australian today about the Australian Shareholders Association's position regarding Qantas AGM

Shareholders, unions target Qantas executive pay | The Australian

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DEATH threats have been made against Qantas CEO Alan Joyce and other senior executives in what appears to be linked to the ugly union dispute enveloping the airline.

Read more: Guards for Qantas boss Alan Joyce after death threats | News.com.au


Death threats are definitely going too far. But maybe somebody could take this ******* filthy little weasel and buy him a one way NO return allowed ticket to Dublin. How the filthy board at Qantas can allow such a pathetic excuse for a CEO to earn such a filthy amount of cash out of our National Carrier makes me ill

[600ft-lb]

Seems as though he's getting more then he signed up for..... after all it was only supposed to be a few years at the helm, $12million/year pay packets then onto the next public company.

But yes, if it's true, this is going too far.

[Marauder]

I agree death threats are over the top.

But given Olivia and Alan's accuracy with the truth recently were they really threats?

Also there are a lot of pi$$ed off shareholders, years of no dividends shares worth less than 1/4 of what they paid.

[stubby jumbo]

Agree Death Threats / letters to home or property damage is totally unacceptable.

.......BUT

I seem to remember "a certain Qantas Exec" referring to "some staff Qantas members" behaviour as KAMIKAZE.

This sort of bullying / threatening language is also unacceptable.

[adsyj]

Totally unacceptable. I really hope none of it happened otherwise we have lost the public in one hit.

In saying that management have shown a willingness to bend the truth to suit there agenda.

If management were even one tenth as keen to manage the airline as they are the media then maybe we wouldn't be in this battle to start with.

I know some of you don't agree and emotions are running high but we have to play the ball not the man or woman. Otherwise we will all be tainted and that helps nobody.

I saw this coming when management spoon fed an article to the media recently which was heavily critical and quite nasty regards Steve Purvinas and the tactics allegedly being used by the Lames.

Our claims (all unions) are valid and just, we as a group of employees just have to keep plugging away. Let us hope sanity prevails and we get the support we need from major shareholders, institutions and the governmenent. What has been alleged by Qantas puts us behind the eight ball.

We must fight to the end but lets use the weapons we have, unbelievably loyal and committed staff and leave the bully boy stuff (if it happened at all) to the real bully boys (management) and continue to expose our current board and executive as incompetent.

We have to keep playing it smart and maintain the rage in the proper form.

[mates rates]

This is the oldest trick in the book.When the company executives are losing the PR war they cry threats.The newspapers and TV channels are happy to publish the sensationalism because it sells newspapers and attracts viewers.It's much harder to disown these threats than to make them.It shows desperate times for Qantas management.

[Barry Mundy]

DEATH THREATS?

I do not condone threats of any nature in this regard. Being ex defence i know that living in an environment where you feel unsafe is a very worrying predicament.

However i could be a dummy but where is the death threat in the words released to the public i.e. It's coming soon Paddy. You can't even see it"
Doesnt this relate to the AGM and the notice of no confidence and a possible removal as CEO.

Also the "All your evil plans ... will come back to you very swiftly, & kick you (sic) Irish FOREIGN ARSE out of the country." doesnt infer a death threat.

Is this company now struggling to get a hold of anything to turn against its workers.

On Sunrise this morning OW stated that it was straight out of the American Union playbook that the unions were now using. Can i ask how they believe that a union is involved in this?

This is getting very messy and level heads needed.

[Angle of Attack]

The QF Management know they have lost the PR war so its just another dirty trick they are playing to try and turn public opinion against the unions, it will be in the news for a few days then dissapear, then they realise they are still losing big time! Bring on the AGM thats going to be interesting!

[Worrals in the wilds]

Even if there was a genuine nasty letter...anyone can write a nasty letter. Doesn't have to been written by an employee, a union member or even an aviation worker. Given the level of media attention around Qantas at the moment, they could have been from a crack pot with no connection to the company.

Accusing the unions of supporting or driving this kind of thing could be seen as defamatory. I assume Qantas management don't have any evidence of this or they would have proudly waved it around on Qantas Today, sorry...Sunrise.

[fl610]

Yes Staysharp, do you remember standing up in the IRC and telling everyone about the disgraceful behaviour of your locked out employees? Skinned dog in the employee carpark etc. Still waiting to see the evidence of that one! (Not holding my breath!)

I know most of you lot think that most of us former employees from that year are a bunch of worn out old wankerrs, however chaps and chapesses, be careful out there as these clowns will stop at nothing to ensure that their version of the truth is the one that makes the headlines.

I do hope that you have more up your sleeves other than wearing red ties to work!

[Ka.Boom]

Bullying and Intimidation

While we all agree that death threats are unacceptable it should be remembered that management have been threatening and intimidating the Qantas workforce for years.
Joyce is concerned about this behaviour now its happening to management.Its about time he sat in on a few KPI reviews to see first hand how shop floor employees are treated.

[ohallen]

Having AJ sit in on anything would be a complete waste of time because he doesn't care and the minions are merely doing what they are either told or encouraged to do.

There is an interesting guy doing the rounds of the ABC at the moment sprouting a book on psychopaths and hearing him talk about how they operate, it sounded liked the Rat Rule book.

The most interesting aspect was the way the model talked about management of subordinates by instilled fear and how the particular environments are created to gather like minded people so they can be managed to the desired outcome which was often delusion in intent.

[stubby jumbo]

Animal Farm

Maybe this is the book you are referring to(nothing more to say):

"All that year the animals worked like slaves. But they were happy in their work; they grudged no effort or sacrifice, well aware that everything they did was for the benefit of themselves and those of their kind who would come after them, and not for a pack of idle, thieving human beings."
- George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 6

[Ticking Timebomb]

Engagement survey points to 35,000 suspects, not just union members ? No one is happy out there.

Another management PR stunt me thinks. Front page of the Sydney Telegraph has a smiling joyce on front cover. Doesn't look like someone who's had death threats to me. I'm sure if its true his mate Murdoch knows who it was after reviewing the phone taps.

Strangely enough 2UE smashed Qantas management on radio this morning for making this public and said was obviously a PR stunt to draw attention away from a failing management team and the real issues. OUCH !

Obviously they missed someone when handing out the chairmans lounge memberships over there.

Then there was poor old Olivia on TV, sorry can't type anymore too busy laughing ! What an embarrassment.

[Worrals in the wilds]

Or this one...
Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

ANTISOCIAL/ PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY DISORDER TYPE WITH MATCHING AND TRAITS

Individuals who match this personality disorder type are arrogant and self-centered, and feel privileged and entitled. They have a grandiose, exaggerated sense of self-importance and they are primarily motivated by self-serving goals. They seek power over others and will manipulate, exploit, deceive, con, or otherwise take advantage of others, in order to inflict harm or to achieve their goals. They are callous and have little empathy for others’ needs or feelings unless they coincide with their own. They show disregard for the rights, property, or safety of others and experience little or no remorse or guilt if they cause any harm or injury to others. They may act aggressively or sadistically toward others in pursuit of their personal agendas and appear to derive pleasure or satisfaction from humiliating, demeaning dominating, or hurting others. They also have the capacity for superficial charm and ingratiation when it suits their purposes. They profess and demonstrate minimal investment in conventional moral principles and they tend to disavow responsibility for their actions and to blame others for their own failures and shortcomings.

[600ft-lb]

Steve makes a good point
Qantas death threats could be made up: union | Alan Joyce

‘‘If I’ve received a death threat, and I’ve advised the people that it is likely to have come from that that behaviour’s unacceptable, I’ll put it in the hands of police,’’ he said. ‘‘I think it’s then a very strange step for him to have taken, to have then gone public with it as well.
‘‘I think he should have left it in the hands of police and allowed them to investigate and informed his staff members, which he’d done, but it looks a little bit fishy from our perspective the fact that he’s then had it splashed on the front page of newspapers.’’

A Qantas spokesman said he was ‘‘not going to dignify’’ Mr Purvinas’ comments with a response.

But at least now a Qantas spokesman has found a subject to have dignity about.

[ampclamp]

Was the letter signed by someone personally?
Perhaps a pseudonym like I'm a grubby unionist?

Fair dinkum it could be from any crackpot nationalist with nothing to do with the IR war.

AJ just wants the public to jump to what appears to be a logical conclusion in the PR battle.

Could even be a stitch up by other vested interests. Anyway, let the police deal with it. I note the TWU guy has released threats made to their people too. Disgrace all round.

[Worrals in the wilds]

Have the coppers released a statement at all? There's not a lot of credibility to any of this without something from them.
I still don't see any threat to kill in the published letter.

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Qantas claims unions involved in a pay dispute are behind death threats sent to executives | The Australian

Another one, almost media watch worthy.

Qantas claims unions involved in a pay dispute are behind death threats sent to executives

• by: Steve Creedy
• From: The Australian
• October 05, 2011 11:08AM

Although Mr Joyce, who has received one of the threatening letters, does not believe union officials are responsible, he says the tone of negotiations needs to be "more conciliatory and less aggressive".

"I absolutely believe that they are calling on their members ... and anybody out there that this is the wrong behaviour and cannot be tolerated," Mr Joyce told Fairfax Radio in Melbourne.
He said both sides of the dispute needed to be more sensible.
"We've asked the union leaders, we've asked all of our people to make sure that the tone is a lot more sensible than it has been," he said.

1) So the headline is a complete lie, does not represent the actual article.
2) Alan Joyce admits his team's tone has not sensible and needs to be more sensible.

It's a given that industrial thugs like the AIPA and the ALAEA are totally insensible, all they do is fly aircraft full of people and maintain aircraft full of people. But to admit the Qantas side full of poorly remunerated corporate battlers hasn't been sensible. I'm at a total loss for words.