Norfolk Air Tender

[ozangel]

Talking with a few mates last night over Beer/BBQ - apparently Norfolk Island is putting the air service out to tender - quick google search confirmed it's true.

The 'rumour' is Norfolk Air (as it is) to be gone within 6months, and that Jetstar is 'interested'.

I would have thought a daily BNE-NLK service on a F70 (codesharing with QF or DJ) or a DJ EMB190 would work - so long as there was connections offered.

Anyone know more?

[Feather #3]

Gee.....thinks....now if only we had the -4 running!!??

G'day

[ConfigFull]

Brisbane-Norfolk Is is 791nm - could the Q400 do it?

[Fuel-Off]

Typically yes (just), but if there's going to be weather at either end, payload gets the arse for fuel. So whether this makes economic sense for management to persue the tender, who knows.

Fuel-Off

[ConfigFull]

whether this makes economic sense for management to persue

Thanks Fuel-Off - with that reasoning it'll probably go ahead! The Dallas/744 guys may get another project.

[Che cows with guns]

Norfolk Island has been and always will be a graveyard for operators, no one makes money on the run.

[VBA Engineer]

Definately sounds like Strategic should get it then

[A37575]

I thought Our Airline was doing a reliable and satisfactory job doing Norfolk island charters. Are they pulling out for some reason?

[RENURPP]

Brisbane based 717's would have no problems

[Capt Claret]

Originally Posted by RENURPP

Brisbane based 717's would have no problems

'Cept getting paid, which was the problem last time, wasn't it?

[RENURPP]

That would be a QF problem.

[witwiw]

- quick google search confirmed it's true.

OzAngel, my search skills leave a bit to be desired, apparently, as I've not found any tender articles. What did you search? Can you post a link?

[tourismman]

Conditions have been put on the service.
Australian owned airline
Must be a 737.

[skyhawkmatthew]

Who apart from Qantas and Virgin have 737s at the moment?

[witwiw]

T'man,

Is there a link to this info?

Conditions have been put on the service.
Australian owned airline
Must be a 737.

[Capn Bloggs]

Originally Posted by Renurpp

Brisbane based 717's would have no problems

Might have an EDTO problem there, Bloggs.

[down3gr33ns]

ozangel and tourisman - any concrete evidence that you're willing to share?

[Bright Spark]

EDTO problems?????

I don't recall Enie Wenie airlines F28s/F27s being EDTO and they made it out there for years.

But I guess they could use Lord Howe so no need for EDTO. They just need clever route planning and a bit more fuel for B717 or EDTO certification if there was money in the route.

[Capn Bloggs]

EDTO problems?????

I don't recall Enie Wenie airlines F28s/F27s being EDTO and they made it out there for years.

That's because, for aircraft first registered before 28 Oct 1985, the previous Extended Range Ops rules didn't apply (with conditions). CAO 82.0 3B8 (Dec 2004) refers.

That exemption does not apply to the 717, and from what I can gather, the current EDTO rules apply to all aircraft, not just "newies".

Sorry for the smart-arse Ledsled-type answer; at least I gave the reference!

[Anthill]

That's correct, Blogs. The previous 'Grandfather' rule was 90mins @ 2 engine cruise from an Adequate airport. Ansett applied this on their F28s and also on the B767's. The later would have given them some advantage over QF who would have had to operate their 76's on the old ETOPS rule and use 60 min SE Crz as the Threshold Distance.

Ozjet operated to NLK Island non-ETOPS but had an area of operation set at 60 SE Crz which was 385 Nm. This meant that the flight out of SYD and NTL had to follow the coast North- bound before turning East for NLK, so as to remain within the allowable aera of operation. The guys who used to get re-clearance when airbourne out of SYD via LH were being very 'naughty'