Virgin jobs for Qantas "rejects"
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The offer of employment by Virgin is absolutely genuine.
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soon Virgin will become Australia's overstaffed airline. With a share price as low as it is they'd better start making money instead of headlines
I totally agree. They haven't turned a profit for 3 or 4 years. Airlines don't run on fresh air.
Jethro, exactly my point on a previous post. JB is NOT there to be everyones' best mate. He was complicit in setting up Jet Connect and one of Dixon's toe cutters.
For me the jury is still out on him.
It's all great to be window dressing and throwing all this cash around on superficial stuff like uniforms/lounges/paint jobs etc etc but if the business doesn't start to make some cash, well lets just watch how this too plays out.
soon Virgin will become Australia's overstaffed airline. With a share price as low as it is they'd better start making money instead of headlines
I totally agree. They haven't turned a profit for 3 or 4 years. Airlines don't run on fresh air.
Jethro, exactly my point on a previous post. JB is NOT there to be everyones' best mate. He was complicit in setting up Jet Connect and one of Dixon's toe cutters.
For me the jury is still out on him.
It's all great to be window dressing and throwing all this cash around on superficial stuff like uniforms/lounges/paint jobs etc etc but if the business doesn't start to make some cash, well lets just watch how this too plays out.
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With respect Norma.
The VA jury deliberated for about 2 weeks then found the defendant not guilty. In fact, the guy has "passed go and collected his 200"
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The VA jury deliberated for about 2 weeks then found the defendant not guilty. In fact, the guy has "passed go and collected his 200"
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Not sure that worshipping a competitor that employs the same tactics as what we are opposed to (LAMEless tarmacs) and does the majority of its heavy maintenance overseas is an entirely consistant ideology.
John Borgetti, can you please outline your plans for heavy maintenace of A330 and 777?
John Borgetti, can you please outline your plans for heavy maintenace of A330 and 777?
For all the bashers of the LAMEless tarmac, Cat A licences and ramp staff doing the arrival/departures, just remember Virgin already have a near LAMEless tarmac and have had for years.
The ramp staff already do the arrival/departure routines.
Cat A licences will be in Virgin before QF.
All the 330 work is done by JHAS.
Most of the maintenance work is done on night shift.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is a great thing that JB has put his hand up to help those who might find themselves in need of a job (just as QF did in 2001 when Ansett went under). But it would also be a little hypocritical for those fighting against what QF wants to bring in to just walk into Virgin and accept it without saying a word.
The ramp staff already do the arrival/departure routines.
Cat A licences will be in Virgin before QF.
All the 330 work is done by JHAS.
Most of the maintenance work is done on night shift.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is a great thing that JB has put his hand up to help those who might find themselves in need of a job (just as QF did in 2001 when Ansett went under). But it would also be a little hypocritical for those fighting against what QF wants to bring in to just walk into Virgin and accept it without saying a word.
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My brother and his mates were flying 146's to Tassie with Southern. When that came to an end, none of them had the 'right stuff' to get a job with mainline.
So these guys were good enough to be trusted flying the public in 146's but apparently not good enough to fly the public in 737's. How the hell does that work?
After 7 years he'd had enough, threw it in and went to Virgin. Now a 737 Captain. He's happy there...
The big Q has been treating its staff like ****e for years, I suspect Virgin already has many Qantas 'rejects' flying their aircraft. Go Virgin...
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So these guys were good enough to be trusted flying the public in 146's but apparently not good enough to fly the public in 737's. How the hell does that work?
After 7 years he'd had enough, threw it in and went to Virgin. Now a 737 Captain. He's happy there...
The big Q has been treating its staff like ****e for years, I suspect Virgin already has many Qantas 'rejects' flying their aircraft. Go Virgin...
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Not sure that worshipping a competitor that employs the same tactics as what we are opposed to (LAMEless tarmacs) and does the majority of its heavy maintenance overseas is an entirely consistant ideology.
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Hi Steve,
I hope any of the QF Lames who find themselves out of work can get a spot with Virgin,just remind them that we don't want to hear "At QF we did it this way"
Virgin is a company whose managers listen down to the mailroom employee,It's different to QF and a great place to work,we don't need disgrunted ex QF dead wood,just the good ones.
Oh and QF can keep there Sc**S
I hope any of the QF Lames who find themselves out of work can get a spot with Virgin,just remind them that we don't want to hear "At QF we did it this way"
Virgin is a company whose managers listen down to the mailroom employee,It's different to QF and a great place to work,we don't need disgrunted ex QF dead wood,just the good ones.Oh and QF can keep there Sc**S
this would seem to be a bit unfair on those who are outside of QF and had applications in before this. Surely they should be given first bite, after all the QF guys have had their opportunity to move and decided to stay at QF till now.
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Lets remember the guy running the show is ex Qantas if its not in written up in a legal document I don,t believe it.
I have a lot of respect for JB, at least he is a true airline man!
Virgin hasn't specified which aspect of the business they'd take from have they? From memory it said "all" employees which would be quite difficult.
I can't really see them inviting a whole bunch of SOs to skip the queue for interviews, given that there would be an extensive application backlog of very experienced regional, freight and corporate crew, possibly in addition to all kinds of overseas applicants looking to come home.
Not withstanding the difference in how the P3 time would be viewed in comparison to those with actual FO or command time, there are a lot of people out there stinging for an interview at VA. If it happened, it would definitely stir the proverbial pot. Will be interesting to see what happens!
Good luck to all at QF, really hoping it all works out for you.
I can't really see them inviting a whole bunch of SOs to skip the queue for interviews, given that there would be an extensive application backlog of very experienced regional, freight and corporate crew, possibly in addition to all kinds of overseas applicants looking to come home.
Not withstanding the difference in how the P3 time would be viewed in comparison to those with actual FO or command time, there are a lot of people out there stinging for an interview at VA. If it happened, it would definitely stir the proverbial pot. Will be interesting to see what happens!
Good luck to all at QF, really hoping it all works out for you.
Steve, without wishing to cause an argument, where does the AFAP sit with respect to the AUF?
I WANT to see them on board too. Without them, management will continue to play the various groups off.
AFAP and AIPA - now is the time to get your s$&t together. If you don't we are all, collectively, rooted.
I WANT to see them on board too. Without them, management will continue to play the various groups off.
AFAP and AIPA - now is the time to get your s$&t together. If you don't we are all, collectively, rooted.
I don't think you can 'jump the que'
Experienced multi -crew jet/turbine pilots/captains couldn't get an interview whilst GA piston pilots/GA instructors got the job. Where's the merit in that ?
QF Pilots - No redundancy payouts
There have been a few mentions of 'Redundancy Payouts' in this and other threads so far. I want to make it very clear that those talking about Voluntary Redundancy and numbers like $200,000 are talking about Cabin Crew and Engineers.
There is no offer of Voluntary Redundancy to any pilot and I think it might be a long time coming. Here's my take on the situation at the moment, as an interested bystander.
Emirates - Pilots accepted by Emirates resign from Qantas, or retire if they have more than 20 years service. Their 'entitlements' would be payment in lieu of any outstanding Annual Leave or Long Service Leave and they can transfer their superannuation out of the Qantas plan, like any worker could. No special provisions. No payout.
Qatar - Pilots accepted by Qatar take 3 years leave of absence. Their leave balances remain behind in Qantas. No payout at all. There is an expectation that they'll be coming back, but I think it would be safer view it as a one way ticket, given the scale of what is happening. After 3 years, if they find it is in their best interests to remain at Qatar, or somewhere else by then, they then would resign [or retire if eligible] from Qantas and be paid out their leave balances. No redundancy payouts.
Virgin Australia - Well, if the above is any guide, once again QF pilots would have to resign or retire to go to Virgin Australia. Once again, the only payment would be their leave balances.
It is understandable, given the comments here about redundancy payments made by and about other categories of workers, that you would express envy about QF pilots coming into VB, or anywhere else, instead of other well qualified applicants if you thought they had just received a large redundancy payout. Now that you know the true situation, I hope you will see that they are just pilots on equal terms who are deciding on a career change.
Inside Flight Ops at Qantas, the current mantra is 'we hope to avoid compulsory redundancies'. This is really just code for 'we hope to frighten, cajole or persuade enough of you to leave of your own accord, so that we are spared the expense of paying you a redundancy payout'.
In Flight Ops, they are very big on sticks and very short on carrots.
There is no offer of Voluntary Redundancy to any pilot and I think it might be a long time coming. Here's my take on the situation at the moment, as an interested bystander.
Emirates - Pilots accepted by Emirates resign from Qantas, or retire if they have more than 20 years service. Their 'entitlements' would be payment in lieu of any outstanding Annual Leave or Long Service Leave and they can transfer their superannuation out of the Qantas plan, like any worker could. No special provisions. No payout.
Qatar - Pilots accepted by Qatar take 3 years leave of absence. Their leave balances remain behind in Qantas. No payout at all. There is an expectation that they'll be coming back, but I think it would be safer view it as a one way ticket, given the scale of what is happening. After 3 years, if they find it is in their best interests to remain at Qatar, or somewhere else by then, they then would resign [or retire if eligible] from Qantas and be paid out their leave balances. No redundancy payouts.
Virgin Australia - Well, if the above is any guide, once again QF pilots would have to resign or retire to go to Virgin Australia. Once again, the only payment would be their leave balances.
It is understandable, given the comments here about redundancy payments made by and about other categories of workers, that you would express envy about QF pilots coming into VB, or anywhere else, instead of other well qualified applicants if you thought they had just received a large redundancy payout. Now that you know the true situation, I hope you will see that they are just pilots on equal terms who are deciding on a career change.
Inside Flight Ops at Qantas, the current mantra is 'we hope to avoid compulsory redundancies'. This is really just code for 'we hope to frighten, cajole or persuade enough of you to leave of your own accord, so that we are spared the expense of paying you a redundancy payout'.
In Flight Ops, they are very big on sticks and very short on carrots.
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