Ash Cloud Damage
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The modeling accuracy wrt the altitude of the cloud is quite high hence the risk assessment conducted by every airline that flys into Australia except Qf and tiger, allowed for continued operations.
But hey what would airlines the likes of Cathay, emirates, ethiad, south African, Singapore, Malaysian, united and virgin know.......
But hey what would airlines the likes of Cathay, emirates, ethiad, south African, Singapore, Malaysian, united and virgin know.......
But from a purely risk-assessment framework: If you had an uncertain risk that impacts all your assets versus the same risk impacting only a few of your assets wouldn't the rational response be different?
I was speculating that might reflect in the native Airlines being less likely to operate? I am assuming Quantas saying "we'll fly 10% of our routes for risk hedging" was not an option.
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From: I prefer to remain north of a direct line BNE-ADL
There was some abrasion damage albeit minor to some Virgin aircraft, directly from a Virgin engineer, and interesting to note that Virgin are first to suspend flights to Adelaide tomorrow 
Rumours are smoke there is usually a fire that caused it 
Rumours are smoke there is usually a fire that caused it
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VB, QF and TT have cancelled services to/from ADL tomorrow...
I think there is a handful of QF services that are leaving ADL in the AM, but it looks like from the BOM that there could be a few interesting days ahead...
I think there is a handful of QF services that are leaving ADL in the AM, but it looks like from the BOM that there could be a few interesting days ahead...
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Absolute bollox, AoA, Riddick, et al.
No VA aircraft have been affected by volcanic ash. Routine engineering checks were ongoing during the whole period, and revealed nothing.
Therefore, their modelling and risk analysis was correct. I did 2 days of SY-HB during the peak threat and had every confidence in our Met and risk analysis people in our OCC. Our flights were done in clear conditions - as predicted by our OCC.
The fact that other airlines cancelled flights, where we continued flying doesn't mean one company is "less safe" or "more gun shy" than the other. You just need to accept that the various companies affected came up with different conclusions based on the data at hand.
Nothing more, and nothing less.
No VA aircraft have been affected by volcanic ash. Routine engineering checks were ongoing during the whole period, and revealed nothing.
Therefore, their modelling and risk analysis was correct. I did 2 days of SY-HB during the peak threat and had every confidence in our Met and risk analysis people in our OCC. Our flights were done in clear conditions - as predicted by our OCC.
The fact that other airlines cancelled flights, where we continued flying doesn't mean one company is "less safe" or "more gun shy" than the other. You just need to accept that the various companies affected came up with different conclusions based on the data at hand.
Nothing more, and nothing less.
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From: AUSTRALIA
I guess those pics at VA maint watch were wrong 
Apparently the pictures revealed a layer of ash in areas exposed with panels removed.
There is no shame in being wrong, the industry just expects honesty instead of hiding the truth.
Apparently the pictures revealed a layer of ash in areas exposed with panels removed.
There is no shame in being wrong, the industry just expects honesty instead of hiding the truth.
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From: Living next door to Alan
I guess those pics at VA maint watch were wrong
Apparently the pictures revealed a layer of ash in areas exposed with panels removed.
There is no shame in being wrong, the industry just expects honesty instead of hiding the truth.
Apparently the pictures revealed a layer of ash in areas exposed with panels removed.
There is no shame in being wrong, the industry just expects honesty instead of hiding the truth.
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From: AUSTRALIA
I guess youre an engineer Hugh. If you are,you will no doubt see them or speak with a person who has.
I have not seen the pictures in question myself,but I would bet my left nut that the engineer who told me, is telling the truth.
I have not seen the pictures in question myself,but I would bet my left nut that the engineer who told me, is telling the truth.
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As an observer of this thread, I find its contents quite disconcerting because someone is telling porkies and there isn't any middle ground.
On the one hand we have an airline that is being completely maligned with no evidence and on the other hand we have an issue that could affect us all.
Rumours are rumours, but rumours with malicious intent are something else without proof.
Can someone make it clearer to me or mods take control
On the one hand we have an airline that is being completely maligned with no evidence and on the other hand we have an issue that could affect us all.
Rumours are rumours, but rumours with malicious intent are something else without proof.
Can someone make it clearer to me or mods take control
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From: Living next door to Alan
Exactly, Kimir and Rodchucker. There is NOTHING in the DSR about the rubbish posted in this thread. It's purely vexatious trash.
Bugalugs, I'm not an engineer. However the reporting between engineering and flight ops is robust. There has been nothing mentioned at all.
Mate, bet your wife. Bet your job, but NEVER bet your balls.
Especially on hearsay. You may find yourself neutered.
Bugalugs, I'm not an engineer. However the reporting between engineering and flight ops is robust. There has been nothing mentioned at all.
....but I would bet my left nut that the engineer who told me, is telling the truth.
Especially on hearsay. You may find yourself neutered.
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From: Living next door to Alan
Naahh, I'm not taking it personally at all, gobbledock. I've had a fantastic week, thanx. A "noice" long weekend, actually. 
Plus another next weekend. Life is good! Might take the bike out for a blast next Sat'dy 
Sorry, but I just can't just sit back and let complete, unsubstantiated lies go unchallenged. Particularly when not a single person has offered a shred of evidence to back up the original claim.
And I'll still never bet my balls on what somebody tells me
Plus another next weekend. Life is good! Might take the bike out for a blast next Sat'dy Sorry, but I just can't just sit back and let complete, unsubstantiated lies go unchallenged. Particularly when not a single person has offered a shred of evidence to back up the original claim.
And I'll still never bet my balls on what somebody tells me
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From: Bottom of the Harbour
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From: Alabama, then Wyoming, then Idaho and now staying with Kharon on Styx houseboat
And I'll still never bet my balls on what somebody tells me 
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From: Australia
Well the Karma of PPrune is that when people start a thread like this when and if it turns out to be false they shred their cred.
Its also easy to get an idea of who they work for and what their motive may be.
Its also easy to get an idea of who they work for and what their motive may be.