Captain makes "Citizens Arrest" on bum crack bum
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Captain makes "Citizens Arrest" on bum crack bum
Saggy pants lead to passenger's arrest
Arrested for wearing saggy pants?
Deshon Marman allegedly refused requests for him to pull up his pants
The college football player was flying back from a funeral, newspaper reported
Marman was charged with trespassing, battery and interfering with a police officer
(CNN) -- A passenger's refusal to pull up his saggy pants led to his arrest Wednesday aboard a US Airways flight at San Francisco International Airport, according to police.
The passenger, Deshon Marman, was charged with trespassing, battery and interfering with the duties of a police officer following an incident that started at the gate, when agents asked Marman to pull up his pants to cover his underwear, said San Francisco Police Sergeant Michael Rodriguez.
Marman, 20, a football player at the University of New Mexico, was in San Francisco to attend the funeral of a close friend, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
During boarding for US Airways Flight 488 to Phoenix, three US Airways employees asked Marman to pull up his pants, Rodriguez said.
In response to the second request, "he said he didn't have to because he had purchased a ticket," Rodriguez said.
US Airways spokeswoman Valerie Wunder said the airline does not have a specific dress code, "but we ask our passengers to dress in an appropriate manner to ensure the safety and comfort of all our passengers."
After repeated refusals from Marman to pull up his pants, the crew alerted the airliner's captain to the disruption and police were called in to assist, Rodriguez said.
Wunder referred questions about details of the incident to police but said it is her understanding that the incident began with Marman's attire but escalated when "he repeatedly ignored crewmember instructions."
The captain made a citizens arrest of Marman for trespassing when he refused to leave the plane, according to Rodriguez. The captain decided to deplane the other passengers when Marman would not immediately leave the aircraft, Rodriguez said.
After leaving the plane, Marman resisted being handcuffed in the jetway, Rodriguez said, injuring an officer in the scuffle.
Marman's mother, Donna Doyle, told the San Francisco Chronicle that her son was distressed after attending the funeral for his friend and former teammate.
San Mateo County officials said Marman will be arraigned on Friday.
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The Yanks don't stuff around and full marks to them. Interesting point about the captain making a Citizens Arrest. In Australia, does the captain have that authority? Or more to the point, would he stay behind the flight deck door and encourage the FA to make a citizens arrest. After all, cabin and flight deck crew combined are all a Team; or so they tell us in CRM
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Arrested for wearing saggy pants?
Deshon Marman allegedly refused requests for him to pull up his pants
The college football player was flying back from a funeral, newspaper reported
Marman was charged with trespassing, battery and interfering with a police officer
(CNN) -- A passenger's refusal to pull up his saggy pants led to his arrest Wednesday aboard a US Airways flight at San Francisco International Airport, according to police.
The passenger, Deshon Marman, was charged with trespassing, battery and interfering with the duties of a police officer following an incident that started at the gate, when agents asked Marman to pull up his pants to cover his underwear, said San Francisco Police Sergeant Michael Rodriguez.
Marman, 20, a football player at the University of New Mexico, was in San Francisco to attend the funeral of a close friend, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
During boarding for US Airways Flight 488 to Phoenix, three US Airways employees asked Marman to pull up his pants, Rodriguez said.
In response to the second request, "he said he didn't have to because he had purchased a ticket," Rodriguez said.
US Airways spokeswoman Valerie Wunder said the airline does not have a specific dress code, "but we ask our passengers to dress in an appropriate manner to ensure the safety and comfort of all our passengers."
After repeated refusals from Marman to pull up his pants, the crew alerted the airliner's captain to the disruption and police were called in to assist, Rodriguez said.
Wunder referred questions about details of the incident to police but said it is her understanding that the incident began with Marman's attire but escalated when "he repeatedly ignored crewmember instructions."
The captain made a citizens arrest of Marman for trespassing when he refused to leave the plane, according to Rodriguez. The captain decided to deplane the other passengers when Marman would not immediately leave the aircraft, Rodriguez said.
After leaving the plane, Marman resisted being handcuffed in the jetway, Rodriguez said, injuring an officer in the scuffle.
Marman's mother, Donna Doyle, told the San Francisco Chronicle that her son was distressed after attending the funeral for his friend and former teammate.
San Mateo County officials said Marman will be arraigned on Friday.
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The Yanks don't stuff around and full marks to them. Interesting point about the captain making a Citizens Arrest. In Australia, does the captain have that authority? Or more to the point, would he stay behind the flight deck door and encourage the FA to make a citizens arrest. After all, cabin and flight deck crew combined are all a Team; or so they tell us in CRM
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There used to be a CAR to that effect - something like captain having the powers of arrest similar to a constable. It was tucked down the back in the 300s IIRC.
I've just had a look through the CARs and CASRs but ccant find it any longer...
I've just had a look through the CARs and CASRs but ccant find it any longer...
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It is covered here:
CRIMES (AVIATION) ACT 1991 - SECT 34
Arrest of offenders
************ (1)* The person in command of a prescribed aircraft may, with such assistance as is reasonably necessary, arrest, without warrant, anyone whom he or she finds committing, or reasonably suspects has committed, an offence against a provision of Part*2 on board the aircraft.
************ (2)* Where a person is arrested under subsection*(1), the person in command of the prescribed aircraft concerned, or anyone authorised by the person in command, may hold the arrested person in custody until he or she can be taken into other custody under section*33 or brought before a magistrate to be dealt with in accordance with law.
Arrest of offenders
************ (1)* The person in command of a prescribed aircraft may, with such assistance as is reasonably necessary, arrest, without warrant, anyone whom he or she finds committing, or reasonably suspects has committed, an offence against a provision of Part*2 on board the aircraft.
************ (2)* Where a person is arrested under subsection*(1), the person in command of the prescribed aircraft concerned, or anyone authorised by the person in command, may hold the arrested person in custody until he or she can be taken into other custody under section*33 or brought before a magistrate to be dealt with in accordance with law.
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CIVIL AVIATION REGULATIONS 1988 - REG 309
Powers of pilot in command (1) The pilot in command of an aircraft, with such assistance as is necessary and reasonable, may:
(a) take such action, including the removal of a person from the aircraft or the placing of a person under restraint or in custody, by force, as the pilot considers reasonably necessary to ensure compliance with the Act or these regulations in or in relation to the aircraft; and
(b) detain the passengers, crew and cargo for such period as the pilot considers reasonably necessary to ensure compliance with the Act or these regulations in or in relation to the aircraft.
(2) A person who, on an aircraft in flight, whether within or outside Australian territory, is found committing, or is reasonably suspected of having committed, or having attempted to commit, or of being about to commit, an offence against the Act or these regulations may be arrested without warrant by a member of the crew of the aircraft in the same manner as a person who is found committing a felony may, at common law, be arrested by a constable and shall be dealt with in the same manner as a person so arrested by a constable.
Powers of pilot in command (1) The pilot in command of an aircraft, with such assistance as is necessary and reasonable, may:
(a) take such action, including the removal of a person from the aircraft or the placing of a person under restraint or in custody, by force, as the pilot considers reasonably necessary to ensure compliance with the Act or these regulations in or in relation to the aircraft; and
(b) detain the passengers, crew and cargo for such period as the pilot considers reasonably necessary to ensure compliance with the Act or these regulations in or in relation to the aircraft.
(2) A person who, on an aircraft in flight, whether within or outside Australian territory, is found committing, or is reasonably suspected of having committed, or having attempted to commit, or of being about to commit, an offence against the Act or these regulations may be arrested without warrant by a member of the crew of the aircraft in the same manner as a person who is found committing a felony may, at common law, be arrested by a constable and shall be dealt with in the same manner as a person so arrested by a constable.
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I've just had a look through the CARs and CASRs but ccant find it any longer...
And I'd had half a bottle of red when I was looking. I hope that's not construed as a SSAA under DAMP regs
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In the days before this political correctness crap, there was more than one TAA Capt who incensed by some idiot, personally escorted the same idiot to the door of the aircraft by the scruff of the neck and handed him over to the wallopers. Generally to walk down the aisle was enough (or if you had a large F/O you sent him). Normally the bloke was drunk and tried to man handle the flight attendants, was the usual. There was one case of a QF F/O who went to speak to a unpleasant gentleman only to be walloped. To his credit, he walloped the bloke back and flattened him, to the applause of the passengers. Flying just ain't the same anymore.
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Ah!! Reminded me of the time (about 1969) where a 4-ringer on board the TAA 727 in Darwin for the Red Eye Special to Adelaide at 0245 Hrs.
He walked down the aisle and said to a big bloke (who had been seriously training in the old Darwin Airport Bar for about 6 hours) that if he even looked silly at a hostess he'd put down at Alice Springs and tip him out on the Tarmac.
Apparently the bloke slept the whole journey!!
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He walked down the aisle and said to a big bloke (who had been seriously training in the old Darwin Airport Bar for about 6 hours) that if he even looked silly at a hostess he'd put down at Alice Springs and tip him out on the Tarmac.
Apparently the bloke slept the whole journey!!
Mike
THE rise of budget airlines has unleashed a new class of traveller on the flying public and fellow flyers and airports are not happy about it.
Airline and airport workers have noticed a rise in the number of badly behaved passengers and say budget airlines are partly to blame, prompting calls for a traveller's code of conduct.
A Brisbane Airport executive who declined to be named, said the number of drunken incidents involving "bogan" passengers had increased markedly since the cost of airfares had plummeted.
"With the high dollar, people are travelling who've never travelled before," he said.
He said there was strong anecdotal evidence of a rise in "stupid behaviour" such as people turning up drunk to flights, drinking too much and partying on board, getting in the face of security and fighting.
"Recently a drunken idiot tried to force his way on to an aerobridge in the mistaken belief he was about to miss his plane," said the executive.
Jodie Bache-McLean's tips on airport etiquette
There were also reports of a fist fight in the bar at the Brisbane Airport Virgin terminal on Tuesday night among passengers who were "tired and emotional" after a day of flight delays and cancellations.
Julie Bignell of the Australian Services Union which represents check-in staff at airports, said there were ongoing complaints from members about passenger behaviour.
Julie Bignell of the Australian Services Union which represents check-in staff at airports, said there were ongoing complaints from members about passenger behaviour.
"I'm not sure whether people would necessarily agree that the cost of the ticket is a factor (in bad behaviour)," she said.
"People flying business class often behave just as appallingly as people in cattle class because they have that sense of entitlement."
Etiquette expert Jodie Bache-McLean said airlines should consider introducing a code of conduct for passengers to sign before they were issued with a ticket.
"It's difficult when you're asking people to monitor their own behaviour," she said. "Some people have the attitude 'I've paid for this flight' and just don't care."
Tiger Airways' Vanessa Regan said the airline appealed to people who had never flown before because its fares were often cheaper than the taxi ride to the airport.
"We're liberating them to fly," she said.
Ms Regan denied in-flight alcohol sales were a significant part of revenue, despite a range of beverages being available on board, including beer and spirits for $5 a drink.
Jetstar passengers spend an average of $20 each on extras such as food, drink and entertainment.
A spokeswoman said that when the airline started, first-time flyers accounted for 5 per cent of its customers.
These 'bogan traveller' claims come on the back of findings released by a senate inquiry, warning about the safety of budget airlines.
A report committee, chaired by Liberal Senator Bill Heffernan, delivered 22 recommendations to improve safety, which included tougher safety standards, better incident-reporting guidelines, increased training for pilots and more funding for the aviation watchdog, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
Independent Senator Nick Xenophon, a member of the committee, said the findings were a "huge wake-up call to the aviation industry".
"This shift towards low-cost models has meant that airlines are trying to trim costs wherever they can. We need to ensure that this does not affect safety standards," he said.
DON’T FLY BOGANAIR
Jodie Bache-McLean's tips on airport etiquette
- Dress comfortably but well, as you might for a restaurant. Take some pride in your presentation
- Remember personal hygiene because you're in an enclosed space in close proximity to other people
- Avoid drinking to excess before or during the flight. Airlines can refuse travel to intoxicated persons, and being refused service on board the flight may cause offence
- Consider those behind you before you push your seat back. For instance, are they eating?
- Use the help button if you need assistance from flight attendants. Don't whistle or shout
- Remember your manners and be courteous
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THE rise of budget airlines has unleashed a new class of traveller
on the flying public...
Well when you let in cheap nasty outfits like Tiger etc whose sole
aim is to tap the potential market of the Unwashed, then it was
totally predictable wasn't it.
Better get used to the brave new bogan world down there - the days
when Australian domestic airlines only allowed the carriage of human
beings in the cabin are gone, and have been for some time now.
Its called Deregulation. The drongo public wanted it, so there it is in
all its pox-pussed filthy glory.
The bogan's tips on airport etiquette -
* Dress like a slob, the more filthy and outrageous the better, as you might in a St Kilda brothel. Take some pride in your beer gut.
* Forget personal hygiene because you're in an enclosed space in close proximity to other people who don't wash or clean themselves either, so why bother?
* Drink to excess only during the flight. Airlines can refuse travel to intoxicated persons, but being refused service on board the flight will give you cause to spit the dummy
and start beating up your tattooed butch girlfriend.
* Consider those behind you before you push your seat back. For instance, are they leaning forward puking their guts out all over the cabin floor?
* Use the help button if you need assistance from flight attendants. Since you'll be too thick to figure out which button that is, just whistle or shout using the F word a lot.
* Remember you're a bogan, so be discourteous to all those in earshot. And don't forget to throw an empty at anyone who calls you a bloody yobbo too.
on the flying public...
Well when you let in cheap nasty outfits like Tiger etc whose sole
aim is to tap the potential market of the Unwashed, then it was
totally predictable wasn't it.
Better get used to the brave new bogan world down there - the days
when Australian domestic airlines only allowed the carriage of human
beings in the cabin are gone, and have been for some time now.
Its called Deregulation. The drongo public wanted it, so there it is in
all its pox-pussed filthy glory.
Jodie Bache-McLean's tips on airport etiquette
The bogan's tips on airport etiquette -
* Dress like a slob, the more filthy and outrageous the better, as you might in a St Kilda brothel. Take some pride in your beer gut.
* Forget personal hygiene because you're in an enclosed space in close proximity to other people who don't wash or clean themselves either, so why bother?
* Drink to excess only during the flight. Airlines can refuse travel to intoxicated persons, but being refused service on board the flight will give you cause to spit the dummy
and start beating up your tattooed butch girlfriend.
* Consider those behind you before you push your seat back. For instance, are they leaning forward puking their guts out all over the cabin floor?
* Use the help button if you need assistance from flight attendants. Since you'll be too thick to figure out which button that is, just whistle or shout using the F word a lot.
* Remember you're a bogan, so be discourteous to all those in earshot. And don't forget to throw an empty at anyone who calls you a bloody yobbo too.
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Hang on you blokes, QF has been flying bogans for years. Long before JQ came on the scene. They used to have these dreadful things called a FunJet which enticed drunken young pot smoking idiots to fly to Bali and Fiji. The Flight Engineers used to joke who needs donks, when the bloody thing can float there just on the stuff being smoked up the back. It was legal to smoke then but not pot of course, but I don't remember the aircraft ever being met by wallopers, to many people to arrest at once I suppose. The CC hated working them, and the tech crew just locked themselves into the flight deck, and only left if the male CC members had more than a handful. Chucking stuff around the cabin, puking on the floor, and having a rumble under a blanket with some girl whose parents thought she was safely on her way home. Makes the modern day bogan look almost attractive.
