Is my QANTAS superannuation secure?
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Is my QANTAS superannuation secure?
does anyone out there know if my super is secure if qantas goes t1t$ up? will it take 11 years to get most of it back like it did with ansett employees or is it separate from qantas if we are bankrupted. with the share price plunging and the gloom and doom from aj i am starting to fear for the future of qf and my super and should i transfer it to another industry fund that covers multiple businesses?
any advice would be greaty appreciated and investigated before acting on.
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very worried
any advice would be greaty appreciated and investigated before acting on.
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very worried
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Qantas super had meetings month or so ago and that very question was asked. We were informed that Qantas super is a separate entity and that they have 110% of the super supplied by QF and us. If QF went under, we were assured that we'd get our full and proper entitlements. That is why they are able to self insure. Take all that for what it's worth.
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I think it is.
Only your annual leave and LSL is at risk.
Perhaps an ex Ansett employee could comment here but I believe Qantas Superannuation is a separate and exclusive entity where creditors are concerned.
Only your annual leave and LSL is at risk.
Perhaps an ex Ansett employee could comment here but I believe Qantas Superannuation is a separate and exclusive entity where creditors are concerned.
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It may be a separate entity but if the super fund is investing heavily in QANTAS shares to provide a return for members then this is cause fir concern!
Of course you will get something (your full and proper entitlement) depending on the performance of the fund's chosen investments. The same as you would with any super fund!
Who are the trustees of the fund? It may be Joyce himself!!
Keep asking questions and obtain independent advice whether a move to a less risky investment profile is recommended.
Of course the company will try to discourage you from transferring your super elsewhere as they are probably using the super fund to finance it's cash-flow!
One of the reasons the QF/BA merger floundered was that BA owed it's employees pension find more than it could afford after using the pension fund as it's own bank for years!! A massive liability it could not and still cannot make good.
Food for thought
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Of course you will get something (your full and proper entitlement) depending on the performance of the fund's chosen investments. The same as you would with any super fund!
Who are the trustees of the fund? It may be Joyce himself!!
Keep asking questions and obtain independent advice whether a move to a less risky investment profile is recommended.
Of course the company will try to discourage you from transferring your super elsewhere as they are probably using the super fund to finance it's cash-flow!
One of the reasons the QF/BA merger floundered was that BA owed it's employees pension find more than it could afford after using the pension fund as it's own bank for years!! A massive liability it could not and still cannot make good.
Food for thought
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The kelpie
All the administrators and insolvency specialists must be licking their lips at the possibility of what would be a once in a lifetime job. String things out for years and rake in millions. Whilst the vultures may not be circling yet I'm sure they're keeping a careful eye on the financial pages.
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The super fund is protected and you dont need to worry about your money, just as it was for Ansett.
I and everyone else received all their super when Ansett collapsed. It was the company owed moneys that we didnt get. holiday pay, LSL, redundancy etc.
I dont think QF is anywhere near the stage you guys should be worrying yet, but it is a pertinant question as you should never believe that it can't happen.
I hope you guys never have to go through what we did with the collapse. It is not much fun when the market is flooded with qualified people. Jobs become very thin on the ground. The hourly rate for a contractor in Singapore droppped 50% to around 39SGD per hour the day Ansett collapsed and there were more takers than jobs.
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I and everyone else received all their super when Ansett collapsed. It was the company owed moneys that we didnt get. holiday pay, LSL, redundancy etc.
I dont think QF is anywhere near the stage you guys should be worrying yet, but it is a pertinant question as you should never believe that it can't happen.
I hope you guys never have to go through what we did with the collapse. It is not much fun when the market is flooded with qualified people. Jobs become very thin on the ground. The hourly rate for a contractor in Singapore droppped 50% to around 39SGD per hour the day Ansett collapsed and there were more takers than jobs.
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No, your superannuation is not safe. As an ex Superannuation administrator, pretty much all your super is subject to companies going tits up / share market flux and international markets...
Depending on what Qantas 'Superannuation' is held [i.e what companies it holds shares in] you could be looking at something very bad.
Cash, bank / term deposit is one of the ways that you can guarantee a return. If I remember right, all bank deposits are covered by law? i.e if for some reason a bank goes belly up, you still have access to your money
Of course my views are my own, you should however consult your own financial adviser
Depending on what Qantas 'Superannuation' is held [i.e what companies it holds shares in] you could be looking at something very bad.
Cash, bank / term deposit is one of the ways that you can guarantee a return. If I remember right, all bank deposits are covered by law? i.e if for some reason a bank goes belly up, you still have access to your money
Of course my views are my own, you should however consult your own financial adviser
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Mods I think this is a question for pro advisors, QF super and the employees. It will do no one any good to have any scare mongering or lay advice here.
If you are concerned consult QF super and get professional advice.
If you are concerned consult QF super and get professional advice.
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Skystar320 do you have a financial licence to be able to say "The only safe solution is cash..."? Of course not. Being an ex-super administrator you should know better. Oh wait...maybe that's why your an ex-administrator...
No super fund is secure unless you run it yourself. SIMPLE.
Even if you run it yourself its still a waste of your money and time.
Superannuation is a scam top down and if you are asking this question you have already been conned. It was designed to make a thriving stock market, run by inexperienced graduates who care nothing about your money but lots about their Friday lunch.
Take your super out and run your own fund, a half decent accountant can set it up for less than a grand. Super funds can lend to business at 13.5 %. Thats a good return and businesses will jump at that.
Take charge of your own money my friend. Don't leave it to middle management buffoons.
Even if you run it yourself its still a waste of your money and time.
Superannuation is a scam top down and if you are asking this question you have already been conned. It was designed to make a thriving stock market, run by inexperienced graduates who care nothing about your money but lots about their Friday lunch.
Take your super out and run your own fund, a half decent accountant can set it up for less than a grand. Super funds can lend to business at 13.5 %. Thats a good return and businesses will jump at that.
Take charge of your own money my friend. Don't leave it to middle management buffoons.
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HF3000 I agree, I was actually going to say much the same thing, you beat me too it. Arkmark - your first 2 sentences contradict each other. And no super is not a scam except some SMSF's which are - I know, I work in the industry and have done so for over 20 years. In fact, most of your post is nonsense and totally contradictory. 
Spoken like a true believer my friend, perpetuating the super myth. A true salesman.
I have been operating my super fund for more than 10 years now. It has returned year in and year out more than 10% with no loss, fees etc. It was set up for less than $ 1K and annual audit fees are also in that range.
Still the money is useless, returning a fraction of that of my business and personal investments.
People should have total control of all their money, and not have 10% of it locked up by the government to be spent unwisely by so called experts who have never managed to do more than work for other people all their lives.
I have mates who are so called financial planners and investment advisors. They sell bank products and make money. That's all. One is a great strategic thinker, but that's not what he makes his money from.
Typically you refute my argument without justification. So like a person who is a true believer in the super religion.
So please, go ahead, point by point tell me what it is that you think I said is incorrect.
I have been operating my super fund for more than 10 years now. It has returned year in and year out more than 10% with no loss, fees etc. It was set up for less than $ 1K and annual audit fees are also in that range.
Still the money is useless, returning a fraction of that of my business and personal investments.
People should have total control of all their money, and not have 10% of it locked up by the government to be spent unwisely by so called experts who have never managed to do more than work for other people all their lives.
I have mates who are so called financial planners and investment advisors. They sell bank products and make money. That's all. One is a great strategic thinker, but that's not what he makes his money from.
Typically you refute my argument without justification. So like a person who is a true believer in the super religion.
So please, go ahead, point by point tell me what it is that you think I said is incorrect.
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Arkmark, you might have an amazing SMSF but that is not really relevant to the thread, is it? And besides, most pilots are not good investment planners. So to recommend they all go do SMSF's is a little reckless isn't it?
The thread question was "Is QF super safe?"
The answer is yes, it is. It is fully funded, it is not overweighted in QF shares, AJ cannot get his hands on it, and no, he doesn't control the QF Super board of trustees.
I ask any of the above doomsday sayers to back up their allegations to refute any of this.
The thread question was "Is QF super safe?"
The answer is yes, it is. It is fully funded, it is not overweighted in QF shares, AJ cannot get his hands on it, and no, he doesn't control the QF Super board of trustees.
I ask any of the above doomsday sayers to back up their allegations to refute any of this.
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In the context of the OP's original question "Is my Qantas super safe" then yes it is as I posted before.
Ansetts was safe in this context as well.
Arkmark and others are being a little misleading bearing this in mind.
Qantas can not access your accumulated super moneys to prop up their company. Once it is paid into the fund it is then protected from them by law.
I and thousands of others asked this same question when things started going pear shaped at Ansett, and it was a small consolation to know the kiwis couldnt get their hands on our money. We were all pretty sure they would have if they could and done it without conscience.
So indamiddle, Yes your money is safe...
Arkmark, the sky could fall on our heads as well...
Kelpie, your false conspiracy theories are not assisting the OP...This subject can be dealt with in fact unlike most of the stuff you post about...
GB
Ansetts was safe in this context as well.
Arkmark and others are being a little misleading bearing this in mind.
Qantas can not access your accumulated super moneys to prop up their company. Once it is paid into the fund it is then protected from them by law.
I and thousands of others asked this same question when things started going pear shaped at Ansett, and it was a small consolation to know the kiwis couldnt get their hands on our money. We were all pretty sure they would have if they could and done it without conscience.
So indamiddle, Yes your money is safe...
Arkmark, the sky could fall on our heads as well...
Kelpie, your false conspiracy theories are not assisting the OP...This subject can be dealt with in fact unlike most of the stuff you post about...
GB
