Up to 400 QF Cabin Crew to be axed - pilots next?
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Up to 400 QF Cabin Crew to be axed - pilots next?
Just after the share market closed for the day QF announced up to 400 CC will face voluntary redundancy.
The International CC Union apparently said that its a good thing because its voluntary !!!!!! ..............I wonder what they will say when it becomes compulsory and more work goes to JQAsia and the other JQ franchises.
Maybe Fed Sec of the Engineers can give them a few pointers!
The International CC Union apparently said that its a good thing because its voluntary !!!!!! ..............I wonder what they will say when it becomes compulsory and more work goes to JQAsia and the other JQ franchises.
Maybe Fed Sec of the Engineers can give them a few pointers!
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interesting [above] comment std unit - but the really interesting thing is that the CC have been pretty silent and even sucking up to Q a bit but they are now the ones getting their throats cut - maybe we need to be a bit more united and stop worrying about what happened in '89 ?? [incoming !!!!]
Not interested in the politics of their union but if you add up the capacity of all of the routes flexed to JQ & ors., then it seems that if there is a CC surplus it only because of the gifting of QF capcity to these JQ franchises.
If that is the case then the Board and the sharegolders seriously need to look at the returns as some these routes offered good yield but alas the orange cancer has driven the premium pax to other carriers.
What is more of a concern for me is that if they are seriously saying they don't need 400 CC then how long will it be before they play the same game with pilots? - and they have the BS PARC deal on the side.
As much as I don't want my shares to break $2 - maybe its the only thing that will trigger some action to punt Joyce and his JQAsia/Indo/China circus
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Not interested in the politics of their union but if you add up the capacity of all of the routes flexed to JQ & ors., then it seems that if there is a CC surplus it only because of the gifting of QF capcity to these JQ franchises.
If that is the case then the Board and the sharegolders seriously need to look at the returns as some these routes offered good yield but alas the orange cancer has driven the premium pax to other carriers.
What is more of a concern for me is that if they are seriously saying they don't need 400 CC then how long will it be before they play the same game with pilots? - and they have the BS PARC deal on the side.
As much as I don't want my shares to break $2 - maybe its the only thing that will trigger some action to punt Joyce and his JQAsia/Indo/China circus
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FAAA 
Only a few days ago we were delayed due fog in MEL. Our two FA's couldn't work the last (delayed) two sectors due to their EBA.
The FA manager in SYD said "No worries, we'll get an EBA exemption from the FAAA that will allow you two to work the extra sectors".
The FAAA is pathetic. A union who collaborates with our management to undermine it's members.
DIVOSH!
Only a few days ago we were delayed due fog in MEL. Our two FA's couldn't work the last (delayed) two sectors due to their EBA.
The FA manager in SYD said "No worries, we'll get an EBA exemption from the FAAA that will allow you two to work the extra sectors".
The FAAA is pathetic. A union who collaborates with our management to undermine it's members.
DIVOSH!
Gearing up for Asia.
MM who runs the Longhaul FAAA can be counted on by QF to offer no impediments to their continued offshoring.
To do so might damage the special "relationship" he has with management.
Just what he leverages off that relationship I'll leave for others to decide but I always found it interesting that he was promoted to CSM not long after our last EBA [Massive QF savings] despite not having worked on an aircraft for many, many years.
LL's recent promotion to CSM I'd suggest is just as, "interesting".
MM's dictatorship of the FAAA means nothing they do or say can damage his relationship......
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AJ's not happy with pissing off the pilots and engineers he wants the cabin crew on board as well! Keep it up AJ.
In my experience that can get a little messy as they can move to another job a lot quicker than pilots and tend to not hold back!
In my experience that can get a little messy as they can move to another job a lot quicker than pilots and tend to not hold back!
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Goblin - good call - but the old girls will walk away with a motza - can't blame them - actually feel a little sorry for the CC's lot (apart from the wife's whinges about their union)
Would love to see the little bloke trip over his wallet and bugger off - surely there is some third world airline in need of crap managment - I rekon a $2 share price will put him there.
Oh and at $2 Dixon Jackson and the other wombats are inducted into a new world of ridicule......(loved JB's comments at AMCHAM)
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Would love to see the little bloke trip over his wallet and bugger off - surely there is some third world airline in need of crap managment - I rekon a $2 share price will put him there.
Oh and at $2 Dixon Jackson and the other wombats are inducted into a new world of ridicule......(loved JB's comments at AMCHAM)
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but the old girls will walk away with a motza
I wouldn't be surprised if next time AJ is hiding up in First, one of them puts the little man over their knee and gives him a good smack.
Unfortunately most of them are on the 767 and you wouldn't see AJ and his cohorts slumming it in one of those
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This will be more like a selective culling of CCrew.
I doubt that the VR will offered to all CC.It will be offered to those categories where there exists an identifiable surplus.
There will be some disappointment I suspect as more than 400 Crew would like to leave.By this I mean those over 55 and with more than 25 years service.
There will be a stampede to get paid to leave a very toxic unpleasant environment.
A lot of very experienced people will go.More company memory diminished
I doubt that the VR will offered to all CC.It will be offered to those categories where there exists an identifiable surplus.
There will be some disappointment I suspect as more than 400 Crew would like to leave.By this I mean those over 55 and with more than 25 years service.
There will be a stampede to get paid to leave a very toxic unpleasant environment.
A lot of very experienced people will go.More company memory diminished
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Could Be
At present there are a number of AKL based BFAs covering a lot of mainline complement slots.This suggests a shortage rather than a surplus of QAL BFAs
At this stage its all speculation .
As The Kelpie would say"more to follow"
At this stage its all speculation .
As The Kelpie would say"more to follow"
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When are these guys going to actually run an airline rather than pick fights?
They must be running out of targets.
Sorry there is one area, Exec ranks which is probably more deserved that any other so far but obviously not on the radar until bonuses are paid.
Just keep saying "smartest guys in the room" and it will all be ok.
Then again my germanic friend has a phrase that goes something like..... dumb pharks.
They must be running out of targets.
Sorry there is one area, Exec ranks which is probably more deserved that any other so far but obviously not on the radar until bonuses are paid.
Just keep saying "smartest guys in the room" and it will all be ok.
Then again my germanic friend has a phrase that goes something like..... dumb pharks.
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"Interesting that the word may offer VR is used"
I'd advise caution before putting name forward. Should the may offer a VR turn into a non voluntary. I said it earlier the union should ensure all CC are given their figures. Its better than individuals showing their hands. How many CC are there as it may take a while calculating numbers.
I'd advise caution before putting name forward. Should the may offer a VR turn into a non voluntary. I said it earlier the union should ensure all CC are given their figures. Its better than individuals showing their hands. How many CC are there as it may take a while calculating numbers.
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Protocol
There is a protocol in place in regard to VR.The company are obliged to adhere to this protocol.It begins with EOI and proceeds from there.
From a financial viewpoint it is better in this instance to be CR'd rather than VR'd.Over the last 10 years Qantas has VR'd some 1200 of its Cabin Crew
From a financial viewpoint it is better in this instance to be CR'd rather than VR'd.Over the last 10 years Qantas has VR'd some 1200 of its Cabin Crew
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....yes-even though they were VR'd....for Tax / HR reasons et al- they were "paid out" as "CR's".
Qantas wants to rid itself of the those over compensated "Long Haul" scum.
Either way-I'm outta here.
This little Red Rodent has had enough !
Exit-Stage right
Qantas wants to rid itself of the those over compensated "Long Haul" scum.
Either way-I'm outta here.
This little Red Rodent has had enough !
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The Criteria
The best boxes to tick when considering leaving are years of service and age.There is a formula for this.Its been mentioned elsewhere but over 25 years service and over 55 years are desirable.This also allows retirees to access the unpreserved portion of their super in the form of a pension.It also allows retirees access to interline travel.With the way Qantas is heading this may be more important than access to Qantas staff travel