Up to 400 QF Cabin Crew to be axed - pilots next?

[SpannerTwister]

S-J is right..........

In all my time at engineering I don't think that we've EVER had a guy go "V/R".

Without fail, those who go are actually made C/R (or as it's known internally VCR).

Again, as S-J said, this give all sorts of benefits ranging from the amount of tax you pay on your payout components to a better reception at Centerlink as you didn't "quit" but rather made redundant.

I don't know, but I'd also assume that C/R would also give you access to other Government benefits such as free or greatly subsidised additional training packages.

So from that point of view, I'd just about guarantee you'd get C/R, and if you're old enough to be in Qantas Division 2 Super, well there's a nice little additional package there for you if you're C/R'd !!!!

ST

[empire4]

there is no such thing as VR. redundancy is redundancy. If you volunteer you will still just have redundant on your cert. If your an older FA you'd be crazy not to take this offer. pay your house off. tough times coming, first pain is airline pain.

[mustafagander]

I'd love a VR to be offered to mainline pilots under the customary terms!!

Forget QF staff travel unless you're a contractor - take a look at their onload priority!!

[denabol]

I notice on Plane Talking Sandilands describes it as Qantas being caught out by real as well as self-inflicted problems.

You'd have to wonder what bastard acts are going to be hidden by blaming oil etc.

Qantas now in the grip of real and self-inflicted threats | Plane Talking

[howyoulikethat]

400 hosties to go....the thin end of the wedge,the sacraficial lambs gives em a great excuse to swing the axe from further back,interesting times ahead for sure....why the bloody hell is QF Int being sacrificed,the original
Qf now lies floundering as the tide goes out!!!!!
Good job,gotta love these business cases....its got a familiar smell about it

[gobbledock]

Just after the share market closed for the day QF announced up to 400 CC will face voluntary redundancy.

Problem is that the Global share market tanked in general yesterday, down 2.2% in total with Wall Street copping a hiding. Australia lost around $33 billion on shares. Of course the Australian economists are naturally painting a healthy glowing forecast which is a croc. We have a two speed economy and if you are one of the minority involved in the resource sector you then Santa has been rewarding you with lots of lovely gifts but if you work in any other sector like the majority of us then you are not only bleeding but you are having your short and long term wealth stripped away from you. The USA is close to collapse, as a result China will slow off (the Yanks can't afford to pay back the billions they have borrowed from them) and then our economy will take an even bigger hit. Qf redundancies are just the tip of the iceberg......

[qlhccforum]

Originally Posted by surfside6

Interesting that the word may offer VR is used

I reckon the choice of words is about not committing to anything until it happens.
The offer is closely related to the Grant review, ie whether they get the nod to set up Qantasia.
Another aspect is the pilot and engineer EBA's; just something else to put subtle pressure on those who are having doubts.

[SpannerTwister]

Originally Posted by empire4

there is no such thing as VR. redundancy is redundancy. If you volunteer you will still just have redundant on your cert.

The difference between VR & CR is for those people who would "like to go".

If they were just to give four weeks notice and stop coming to work then they have not been made redundant, they have simply quit their jobs.

This has (negative) implications for all matters of things financial, taxation, Superannuation, StaffTravel and the like.

VR & CR is where the company identifies they have TOO MANY (in this case) CC.

So they can legitimately say that xx (400) positions of CC are redundant.

If they tap Sally Server* on the shoulder and say "Go away" she has, by long precedent, been made CR.

However, if Sally Server* puts her hand up and says "Pick me" (VR), and they do, although the end result (all around) is the same, Sally Server* has CHOSEN to go, QF has -1 employee, Sally is NOT treated as though she has just given four weeks notice and left, she is in fact made redundant with all the "benefits" that entails.

That's why this process has internally and informally, been known as VCR (Voluntary Compulsory Redundancy).

ST

*Not her real name

[whatever6719]

Another reason why they are saying "there MAY be redundancies" is possibly due to the pending decision of the proposed changes to the cabin crew ratio.
If they get the 1:50 through, that would mean a fair amount of crew wont be required. This applies to mainly Domestic crew. They are probably hedging their bets by saying MAY in case the decision goes against them and they arent able to release any Domestic crew as there wont be an excess.
Lets face it, if there was such a reduction in flying, there would be pressure for redundancies in the pilot ranks as well - which there isnt.

Also, I didnt hear of any reduction in the Jetstar cc ranks.
Hasnt their operation been hit hard by disasters in Japan, floods, etc etc??
I would have thought there would be at least some cutbacks there.
Last I heard, figures show today a marked increase in pax numbers travelling on mainline services so god knows what they are up to

[drop bear ten]

Whatever,

A JQ international F/A's wage is about $1200 AUD/month compared with...............work it out for yourself.

[standard unit]

so god knows what they are up to

Farking over their staff, self evidently, in an effort to make up for their mismanagement of what once was, an outstanding airline.

They'll be plenty of long serving staff very pleased to be getting out.

It really is a hideous company to work for now.

[ozbiggles]

Who couldn't see this coming.
As soon as it was allowed for contract(cheaper) staff to work for Qantas this was always the end game.
Get rid of those on the old T and Cs as soon as the cheaper staff were in place.
It has nothing to do with fuel prices/GFC, insert company excuse.
At least the Jetstar pilots are trying to stamp this mode of operation out.

[surfside6]

The Cost?

VRing 400 CC will cost QF around $40 mill

[T80]

Hey Surf

Just add it onto the fines collection its all good

[What The]

It is my opinion that due to the airline actually performing quite well, a decision has been made to bring forward as many of next year’s expenses as possible to reduce the profit for this year.
In addition, redundancies will be completed this financial year to achieve same. They better hurry up.
The end result is that the incompetent CEO can say to the employees “I told you so”. It is time for the Board and CEO to go. If the rumours of extraneous payments to certain executives via other vehicles prove to be true, then the cuts surely must go deeper.
The institutions should be seeking some serious answers to some serious questions.

[standard unit]

Response from FAAA

Interesting that the only negative response to these redundancies from a Qantas union comes from Linda White the head of the ASU who happen to have nothing to do with Qantas's cabin crew.

MM's FAAA ?

Business as usual........

Qantas offers redundancies to cabin crew

In addition, redundancies will be completed this financial year to achieve same. They better hurry up.

My info suggests they'll be gone by next bid period.

[Jethro Gibbs]

Reuters) - Australia's Qantas Airways has offered voluntary redundancies to its 7,000 cabin crew.
Grab what you can and run the company is F!#^*D.

[full disclosure]

This is all about Qantas management attempting to convince the public that the company is in dire straits, and the pilots are reckless if they strike. Don't worry about what the public think. They will come back and fly Qantas once the current management are ousted.This is between the pilots and management. Do not give in to their tactics. This is all about hiring crew on contracts on third world terms and conditions, aka Jetstar. You have to be cruel to be kind, and hit management where it hurts. The hip pocket. The company needs to take a financial hit for the shareholders to see that the rot has set in at the top. If anyone is to be successful in making Qantas succeed then they need to work with, not against, the staff. The shareholders and the board need to realise this basic fact.....NOW.

[Dark Knight]

Correct me if I am wrong.

Qantas estimates on a MEL - SYD flight each pax is worth 92kgs of Carbon Dioxide i.e. 9.2 tonne.

With Julia's Carbon Tax at say $25 per tonne that is an addtional $230 per pax ticket which is going to put a big hole in Qantas bottom line.

Makes these redundancies perhaps even more attractive??

[The Green Goblin]

Correct me if I am wrong.

Qantas estimates on a MEL - SYD flight each pax is worth 92kgs of Carbon Dioxide i.e. 9.2 tonne.

With Julia's Carbon Tax at say $25 per tonne that is an addtional $230 per pax ticket which is going to put a big hole in Qantas bottom line.

Makes these redundancies perhaps even more attractive??

You are wrong.

It will put an additional cost of $230 per flight. This will be divided up amongst the pax and would out to be a couple of dollars per punter.

Just don't open any beer or coke en-route. Don't want to let more of them nasty carbon bubbles loose out of the drinks!!!

The loony's are running the asylum.