Letter to Geoffrey Thomas (Aviation expert)
Nunc est bibendum
Are you trying to tell me that as a "shareholder" after reading Steve's letter your greatest concern is with semantics? Shonky overseas maintenance, buried reports, outsourcing debacles etc etc and you want to quibble and play word games. Well done. Of all the myriad of issues and problems at the moment, this is the important one.
Nice work Steve.
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Not bad at all Steve however I still don't think these guys really get the responsibility a LAME has when certifying on aircraft. These clown have to understand that a when a Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer signs for the work he/she has carried out on the aircraft - that signature remains with the Aircraft logbook/Tech log for the life of the aircraft. A LAME is still held fully accountable for the work he/she has certified for even after he has retired. If an aircraft has an incident and you signed for the work or maintenance release then its your ass on the line or in the court room. Really - LAME's get paid Fock all for the responsibility and accountability they have on a daily basis.
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QAN_Shareholder, I refer to my quote below from another thread:
I gather you bought your shares.
Originally Posted by Jetro6UL
Only moronic self flagellating cretins buy airline shares.
We jet fuel sniffing braindead idiots get them given to us as punishment for making a tragically misguided career choice earlier on in life.
We jet fuel sniffing braindead idiots get them given to us as punishment for making a tragically misguided career choice earlier on in life.
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1974,
What is it with all you management pricks that you feel the need to get on here and pretend to be something that you are not? I don't think anyone here believes you are a unionist, anymore than they believe QAN_Shareholder is a shareholder. Your whole existence is based on lies - lies to the Senate, lies to the media, lies at the negotiating table. At least most people on here, while not divulging their names, make it fairly obvious who they are, whether they are pilots, engineers or F/As.
So why the need to pretend you aren't management? Or is deception the only method of "negotiating in good faith" that you know?
What is it with all you management pricks that you feel the need to get on here and pretend to be something that you are not? I don't think anyone here believes you are a unionist, anymore than they believe QAN_Shareholder is a shareholder. Your whole existence is based on lies - lies to the Senate, lies to the media, lies at the negotiating table. At least most people on here, while not divulging their names, make it fairly obvious who they are, whether they are pilots, engineers or F/As.
So why the need to pretend you aren't management? Or is deception the only method of "negotiating in good faith" that you know?
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holic , are you related to Alco , sounds like it to me . And who entitles you to judge the credentials of a worker . you johnny come latelly. go back to your $ 129 plus LAME job and whinge about how hard you are done by you fool
holic , are you related to Alco , sounds like it to me . And who entitles you to judge the credentials of a worker . you johnny come latelly. go back to your $ 129 plus LAME job and whinge about how hard you are done by you fool
Either that, or you failed English and can't spell
So what sort of bonus do you get for stirring up the troops?
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G'day Steve,
Just a quick note to say thankyou for your time in writing that letter, I don't think I have ever read/heard anyone explain our position as clearly as you have done. I'm very proud to be in an association such as the ALAEA and have leadership in the way we do. Just for a minute think of where the flying public would be without our association being the buffer. I hope every single person who flies on a cheap ticket will write to Qantas/Jetstar and explain that they would be happy to pay $5 more per flight if we are still fixing their planes that they and their families fly on!
Steve, why don't you send that letter to every Board member and Engineering manager and ask them to respond ? If there is only silence (which I expect, as they couldn't defend their position),we draw a line in the sand and defend our position to the end! This is by no means what I want but what the flying public would expect of us, it's huge sacrifice for us and our families but what is the alternative? I do not want to be known as a Qantas engineer that was on duty when a plane went down! I ask all of you, do you want to work for a company who hates you and hates what you do to the point of publicly fighting and demeaning you! I personally(mortgage,wife & young kids) have a lot to lose if we are shutdown, but I also have a very long and proud family history working at Qantas, it wouldn't be fare to them to stand by and do nothing.
Just a quick note to say thankyou for your time in writing that letter, I don't think I have ever read/heard anyone explain our position as clearly as you have done. I'm very proud to be in an association such as the ALAEA and have leadership in the way we do. Just for a minute think of where the flying public would be without our association being the buffer. I hope every single person who flies on a cheap ticket will write to Qantas/Jetstar and explain that they would be happy to pay $5 more per flight if we are still fixing their planes that they and their families fly on!
Steve, why don't you send that letter to every Board member and Engineering manager and ask them to respond ? If there is only silence (which I expect, as they couldn't defend their position),we draw a line in the sand and defend our position to the end! This is by no means what I want but what the flying public would expect of us, it's huge sacrifice for us and our families but what is the alternative? I do not want to be known as a Qantas engineer that was on duty when a plane went down! I ask all of you, do you want to work for a company who hates you and hates what you do to the point of publicly fighting and demeaning you! I personally(mortgage,wife & young kids) have a lot to lose if we are shutdown, but I also have a very long and proud family history working at Qantas, it wouldn't be fare to them to stand by and do nothing.
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The thought that springs to mind.
Full page ad. Open letter to the travelling public. Wouldn't need much editing in order to make it suitable for that forum. Not sure the costs of those sorts of things in papers around the nation. Now's probably not the time for it anyway but it would be at some stage.
Full page ad. Open letter to the travelling public. Wouldn't need much editing in order to make it suitable for that forum. Not sure the costs of those sorts of things in papers around the nation. Now's probably not the time for it anyway but it would be at some stage.
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At first I was feeling anxious about all of this stuff going on at the Qantas group. Even though I don't work there it is quite apparent that this is an assault on workers in this industry. But now, after a few days of following these posts and the mainstream media I now find myself laughing at the stupidity of the corporate types responsible for this current mess. They are so hell-bent on crushing their workforce and disengaging every member of their staff that that they seem to have poured all of their resources into this plan. So much so that as I read it in the papers today it is quite apparent they are not actually placing any resources into running an airline group. Their products are looking more like an industrial dispute centre than an airline and I'm sure this is filtering through to the public perception. In the process I'm sure they are literally handing business class passengers to Virgin (thank you very much). It seems amazing to me that a) the board allows this current management to continue on this course of apparent self-destruction and b) that these management stooges on here continue to justify these corporate decisions. Just makes them look as inept as the QF management really.
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Geoff Thomas/Sunrise on QF Engos and Pilots
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Management are in charge
Mr. Geoffrey Thomas is an excellent writer.
We believe that:
He knows more about our organization than any frontline worker.
He understands that we are about profit and money.
He understands our core need, which is to protect the public from mob like unionised and non-unionised brutality that may impact our bottom line.
He understands that we must feed the financial needs of our shareholder.
He understands that integrity, diversity, competiveness and safety are what Management is championing.
He understands the value of a solid business structure and that Management are ‘The Gatekeepers’ to our ongoing success.
We believe that Management are superior in intellect. We further believe that our ability to outwit, outlast and outplay any collective or individual attempt to force our hand will be met with a swift response which cannot be combated. We further believe that we are living in an era where the white collar rules supreme and with the support of our shareholder, bonus structure and sideline consultancies we will remain unbeatable.
The game has commenced.
The Boardroom Beckons
We believe that:
He knows more about our organization than any frontline worker.
He understands that we are about profit and money.
He understands our core need, which is to protect the public from mob like unionised and non-unionised brutality that may impact our bottom line.
He understands that we must feed the financial needs of our shareholder.
He understands that integrity, diversity, competiveness and safety are what Management is championing.
He understands the value of a solid business structure and that Management are ‘The Gatekeepers’ to our ongoing success.
We believe that Management are superior in intellect. We further believe that our ability to outwit, outlast and outplay any collective or individual attempt to force our hand will be met with a swift response which cannot be combated. We further believe that we are living in an era where the white collar rules supreme and with the support of our shareholder, bonus structure and sideline consultancies we will remain unbeatable.
The game has commenced.
The Boardroom Beckons