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Old 6th May 2011, 13:43
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Networks Fokker 100's!!

Has anyone out there heard any news when the F100's are arriving for Network that Qantas announced 3 months ago? and any ideas on who will be crewing them???
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Old 6th May 2011, 23:15
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That'll end well
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Old 13th May 2011, 03:57
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From what I've been told very little has changed at network since the hand over, apart from a few inductions here and there. As far as the aircraft go they are somewhere in between being owned and not owned I'm guessing and will be a few months off yet. Most of the infastucture of the company is overcrowed at peak times and would struggle to handle an increase in capacity... And recruitment has yet to happen to support the mass increase in capacity. Business as usual. In so far as crewing goes well apparently crew are going to come from skywest, alliance, dragonair, cathay, Qantas mainline, and europe, if members of management are to be believed. It's going to be like the a team, the best of the best. There has been some talk though internal progression but from what I've been told most staff have no idea how that is going to happen.
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Old 14th May 2011, 03:13
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There will be minimal upgrades from the Braz to the F100 due to the fact that they still need crew to keep the Braz operation going.

Minimums have been increased for command upgrades on to the F100 - this automatically rules out some of the FO's on the jet.

Lastly, an FSO has been released stating: "positions will be advertised internally and if there aren't suitable applicants, there will be external recruiting".

My advise to crew out there at Alliance and Skywest is to stay where you are. Trust me your operation is much better and more professional. This applies even more so to guys/gals that are already flying Braz's and are coming across to fly the braz at Network in the hope of getting onto the F100 quickly. It just wont happen.
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Old 14th May 2011, 04:32
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GA with jets....
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Old 14th May 2011, 07:15
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Dragonair??? Well, actually there is a grand total of 1 going that way. Right HKF??

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Old 14th May 2011, 10:37
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Maybe they will lease some F100s off Alliance? See the link below-

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Old 14th May 2011, 11:54
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Is there any talk of putting some on the East Coast to replace Alliance? QF seem to be using Alliance on a daily from BN to RK and MK.
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Old 15th May 2011, 11:14
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Maybe Qantas are saving their money for:
- another purchase
- saving to try and interrupt the current run virgin is having
- busy paying fines and playing catchup

or one or any combination of the above...
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Old 15th May 2011, 11:20
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"In so far as crewing goes well apparently crew are going to come from skywest, alliance, dragonair, cathay, Qantas mainline, and europe,"

I'd be very surprised if anyone would leave CX or QF to go to network.
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Old 17th May 2011, 16:31
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hahahaha idiot

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"GA with jets....

are you kidding yourself? If you work for any australian company your in GA!

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Old 9th Jan 2012, 23:13
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Increasingly booming market for Fokker aircraft in 2011

[ASDWire] A grand total of 60 Fokker aircraft have been transferred by their owners to new operators worldwide during 2011. 'The second half of this year has been outstanding with a total of 33 Fokker 50s and Fokker 100s changing hands', according to Fokker Services' Director of Aircraft Remarketing, Peter van Oostrum. 'This is a clear demonstration of the overall attractiveness of the aircraft and our continued support' he adds.

Indonesia continues to be a prime market for Fokker 50s with 5 aircraft moving to start-up Pacific Royale. Additionally, PT SKY Aviation and PT Transnusa are expanding their fleets with 2 Fokker 50s each during the second half of 2011. In nearby Papua New Guinea, Travel Air has been growing its fleet to 7 Fokker 50s. Also Mongolian Airlines has introduced 2 Fokker 50s. These Asian operators demonstrate the type's suitability for cold climates and unpaved strips as well as hot and humid climates. Across the globe, staunch Fokker operator Air Panama recently added 2 Fokker 50s to its fleet of 2 Fokker 70s which were introduced earlier 2011. Various other Fokker 50 transactions in Europe are undisclosed at this time.

Australia has now become a real stronghold for Fokker jets as Network Aviation, which was purchased by Qantas early 2011, has been 5 adding Fokker 100s to its existing fleet. While incumbent operators Alliance Airlines and Skywest Airlines added various Fokker 70s and Fokker 100s during 2011, the total number of Fokker jets now stands at 39. Most of these aircraft are performing fly-in, fly-out services, supporting the booming mining industry in Australia's interior.

Natural resources exploration support is also the core activity of start-up carrier Caspiy in Kazakhstan, which has recently purchased 2 Fokker 100s in addition to the 3 purchased earlier this year. Bek Air, also in Kazakhstan, has recently acquired its own Fokker 100 after initially leasing one from Caspiy.

While Fokker Services does not directly market Fokker aircraft, it facilitates placements by lessors and sellers. 'Good performance, great interior, timely product improvements like LED cabin lighting and iPad EFB, low capital costs and comprehensive support committed until the end of the decade and beyond, are the main reasons why operators have been taking Fokker aircraft and will continue to do so', says Peter van Oostrum.

As levels of available Fokker aircraft have been diminishing and demand remaining high, 2012 is expected to be another healthy trading year, albeit at lower numbers of aircraft than in 2011.

Source : Fokker Services
Published on ASDNews: Jan 9, 2012
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Old 9th Jan 2012, 23:55
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Seems Qantas are getting serious now. Does anybody know if any other F100 operaters in the region have lost pilot's to Network? This article was in yesterdays Australian.

Qantas adds 14 more aircraft to its fleet to meet rising demand in fly-in, fly-out market

QantasLink chief Narendra Kumar says he expects the aviation resources market to grow by 50-70 per cent over the next few years. Picture: Jane Dempster Source: The Australian

Source: The Australian

QANTAS is aggressively accelerating its national push into the booming resources market, as regional carrier QantasLink and recently acquired charter unit Network Aviation add 14 aircraft over the next 12 months.

The airline may also consider committing bigger A320 or 737 size aircraft to fly-in, fly-out work if there is sufficient demand and says it expects interstate flying to become increasingly important to resources companies.
The new planes will bring the combined fleet to 80 aircraft, as QantasLink plans for double-digit expansion, fuelled by the combination of its Network expansion and the resources boom.
QantasLink executive manager Narendra Kumar, who also oversees Network, believes the aviation resources market will grow by 50-70 per cent over the next few years and says the timing of the latest addition to the Qantas stable leaves the group well placed to grab a healthy piece of the action.

The acquisition of planes last week introduced the first of 10 newly refurbished Fokker 100 jets into service, as Qantas ramps up efforts to boost its foothold in the burgeoning fly-in, fly-out market.
The planes are in addition to the airline's two existing F100s and six 30-seat Embraer 120 turboprops.
Another nine of the 100-seater twin-jets are due to enter service with Network over the next year, including two expected within the next month, with a fourth due in March-April and a fifth shortly afterwards.
Four of those planes are currently undergoing refits with Fokker Services in The Netherlands and the remaining five are set to change hands in March or April .
"So we can ramp it up or ramp it down as we feel necessary," Mr Kumar told The Australian. "But the key point is we've actually got our hands on 10 aircraft, five already in Holland and the other five with deposits made and contracts signed.
"So all 10 are definitely coming as opposed to speculation it was just a statement."
In the 12 months since Qantas acquired Perth-based Network, after prompting from some of its resource customers, it has spent considerable time looking at governance and management systems to ensure it is ready for the expected growth. This includes manpower, an area in which Mr Kumar said there had so far been no difficulties.
"Lindsay Evans and the team had obviously built a great business and we just wanted to make sure the scaling up of the organisation did not compromise anything from our perspective," he said, adding that this had included a network management framework to handle growth as well as regulatory and other approvals.
The airline and QantasLink both have Basic Aviation Risk Standard (BARS) accreditation, a safety audit system introduced by the Flight Safety Foundation to assure resources companies that the airlines they contract meet appropriate standards.
Mr Kumar said the F100s could have entered service earlier, but Qantas decided to upgrade cabins and update navigation systems to be ready for new satellite-based technology, ADS-B, which was being introduced in Australia and seen as essential to combating increasing congestion in mining areas. It also made sure all air service bulletins and airworthiness directives in the pipeline had been done in an effort to give the fleet a life of up to 10 years.
"As you can appreciate, the fly-in, fly-out work generally does 800 to 1200 hours a year, so we have a fleet that will come in, giving us a lot of life and capabilities," he said.
Having new planes and crews in place meant Network could bid aggressively for work, and several major contracts and tenders were currently in play, Mr Kumar said.
"Some of them are more advanced than others," he said.
"We have about two or three contracts that we have put in place across QantasLink and Network, large contracts, and there are quite a few RFP (requests for proposals) either at advanced stages or early stages.
"We don't expect to win every one of them, but the main approach was to make sure that we were able to meet the resource sector requirements, as opposed to not being able to bid because we didn't have the aircraft or crew or whatever.
"We are pretty confident that we will have a share of the market that will be available, both in terms of new contracts and new work that is coming in, as well as hopefully being able to bid for contracts as they come up for tender."
However, the QantasLink boss was cautious in estimating how much of the resources market the flying kangaroo will be able to snare.
He noted that a big contract could provide "a sizeable chunk of the market", but this was also possible through a series of small contracts.
Flexibility was the key and the company's offering was not confined to the F100s, although these would be the workhorses of the fly-in, fly-out operations.
The offering also included the smaller Network turboprop aircraft as well as QantasLink's Dash-8 fleet and its 115-seat 717s.
A Boeing 737 or Airbus A320 could also be put on the table if customers wanted a 150-seat aircraft, he said.
There had been no firm decision that all fly in, fly-out work had to go through Network, with QantasLink already doing "a stack" of work from major contracts already in place.
"At this time, it's fair to say it's pretty fluid," Mr Kumar said.
"All we know is that there will be demand, and based on the last few months of discussions and RFPs that have been put out to the market, we believe we'll be well placed to win our fair share of that.
"Whether it's 20, 30, 40 per cent remains to be seen."
While Western Australia would be an initial focus of Network's fly-in, fly-out push, Mr Kumar said the industry was also growing in other parts of Australia and Network could expand to other ports.
But he predicted that fly-in, fly-out destinations would increasingly be a function of where resource companies could source labour.
"As you know, we already have within our Qantas RPT (regular public transport) operations, services from Brisbane and Melbourne to ports such as Karratha," he said.
"Increasingly, I think, the sourcing of labour from states other than WA for WA work will grow as well. So, where we operate our fleet will be a function of where labour is sourced."
He said he would not be surprised if resource companies began sourcing labour from abroad, and the Qantas group was well placed to meet that requirement if it happened.
But the company was not interested at this stage in servicing overseas mines and its focus was primarily on the Australian market, although this could change in future.
Turning to QantasLink, Mr Kumar said the regional carrier would add two Queensland-based Boeing 717s and three Q400s turboprops this year, to bring its fleet to 62 aircraft.
Some of the growth has been underpinned by the resources sector, but the airline has also been establishing new routes and destinations over the past two years in South Australia, Queensland and Western Australia.
It has added turboprops services to Western Australia and recently increased frequencies to Geraldton and Exmouth.
"Our capacity has been growing about 9 per cent per annum on a compound basis," Mr Kumar said.
"I think this year we'll probably go double-digit -- over 10 per cent is our current plan. It's not just putting capacity on existing routes but also developing new markets and new routes as well that, I think, has been important."
Mr Kumar acknowledged that the Virgin Australia-Skywest move into regional aviation would affect QantasLink but said focusing on market requirements and adding capacity to meet demand put his airline in a good position.
Having a high-frequency schedule in regional markets was useful, as was the airline's ability to introduce different size aircraft to match demand and give it the right capacity at times people wanted to travel.
The company's smarter, faster check-in was now available at QantasLink ports, giving customers a similar experience to that in major capital cities, and the airline was expanding its lounge network.
"You can't take your eye off the ball," he said. "And our focus is all about (not losing) sight of where we've come from and making sure the customer remains central to the offering that we promise."
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 03:59
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Gotta love the Fokkers, I remember flying down from Kunnunara in the old days with MMA on the first F28'a as a little tacker. Bought a tear to my eye when Fokker stopped making them.
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 06:07
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What is the salary for F100 CA/FO at Network? How about for the Emb120?
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 08:23
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A real fleet of Fokkers...

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Old 10th Jan 2012, 09:20
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Anthill, cx out this salary comparison link--
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 09:59
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A real fleet of Fokkers...
That mother Fokker at the back is a bit larger than the rest.............and look at that airport fence; might keep stray cats off the tarmac, but not much else!

But look, is that grass?......and trees?

A far cry from the mayhem at PER at 0530 these days.
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 10:04
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Will be fascinating to see where the work comes from to support the 6 they plan to have delivered by say the 3rd quarter of 2012.

Could be some contracts lost over at Skywest or perhaps Cobham as would there be enough NEW work to support such a rapid expansion?
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 10:22
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What is the salary for F100 CA/FO at Network? How about for the Emb120?
Just as interestingly, how much will the Network guys and girls get paid to fly the 737s/A320s mentioned as a possibility in the article. Qantas 737 rates - we can only hope!!!!
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