Tiger Airways may faces being grounded after safety breaches
Just a few facts:
1) SIA is not a majority share holder (34.4%)
2) Other share holders include 'Ryan Asia' (one guess who that is, three goes if you're Irish).
3) The CP is one of the best in the business, very professional and has very high standards.
4) Some of the Capts had wide-body commands when most of the opposition were still wearing short pants.
No I don't work for them and never will but give them a chance, it's still early days. What about the famous Aussie "fair go". These are still Aussie crews just trying to make a living.
1) SIA is not a majority share holder (34.4%)
2) Other share holders include 'Ryan Asia' (one guess who that is, three goes if you're Irish).
3) The CP is one of the best in the business, very professional and has very high standards.
4) Some of the Capts had wide-body commands when most of the opposition were still wearing short pants.
No I don't work for them and never will but give them a chance, it's still early days. What about the famous Aussie "fair go". These are still Aussie crews just trying to make a living.
The accounts show a 89.1 per cent surge in Australian revenue compared with a 24.2 per cent rise in costs, slashing 2009's loss of $S58 million ($A43.7 million) to just $S600,000 in 2010.
Read more: Tardy Tiger fails to lodge accounts
So an airline that has slashed costs in every department and made huge revenue gains, and should I say prolonged expenditure until the ineveitable, still cant make any money. You really got to ask what the hell they are still doing here
Read more: Tardy Tiger fails to lodge accounts
So an airline that has slashed costs in every department and made huge revenue gains, and should I say prolonged expenditure until the ineveitable, still cant make any money. You really got to ask what the hell they are still doing here
Sadly By George we continue to see airlines (we all know the ones) staffed by the most wonderfully professional people, completely let down by equally unprofessional management.
Believe me I hope I'm wrong with this bad feeling I'm getting. It'll do none of us any good of Tiger fails. My guess though, is the CP and his pilots will continue to operate in the most professional manner right up untill the last one out the door turns out the lights!
Believe me I hope I'm wrong with this bad feeling I'm getting. It'll do none of us any good of Tiger fails. My guess though, is the CP and his pilots will continue to operate in the most professional manner right up untill the last one out the door turns out the lights!
Why Tiger will never make money
It'll do none of us any good of Tiger fails. My guess though, is the CP and his pilots will continue to operate in the most professional manner right up untill the last one out the door turns out the lights!
Why Tiger will never make money
1. Australia is long distance territory. This is not SIN-KUL, SIN-DPS
2. We have a mere 22 odd million. Tokyo has 30 million. By comparison more Australians fly than just about any other population, however
3. Australians have been used to a high standard of airline service. On time performance, low cancellation rates, and high service levels including some body you can talk to. Everything Tiger does is the opposite of Australian expectations
4. Tigers model of low cost and no service appeals to the lowest level of Australian society and the ones that you'll never make money out of.
5. Tiger has nothing but low fares. This is the only reason to fly them and as a consequence they have no capacity to increase fare levels
6. Cutting every cost to try and make a profit will bite them hard on the bum with CASA and future costs, which I bet are unprovided for.
Reality is the type of operation that would have worked is a no frills high standard airline like Southwest.
How long will Tiger last in Australia? Likely longer than we may wish as I dont believe they will admit defeat easily
Why would it be good if they do go bust? Those remaining will still fight it out and be competitive BUT will be able to sustain some sensible fare levels of say 10% higher which will secure jobs and growth in the remaining carriers
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Australians have been used to a high standard of airline service. On time performance, low cancellation rates, and high service levels including some body you can talk to.
I think it is time some people stopped "idolizing the roo" and accept that:
a/ they are NOT skygods, and
b/ they will NEVER be the airline they once were.
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Unfortunately the posts by KRUSTY 34 and 1a sound asleep, read in conjunction, explain pretty well the OVERALL situation at Tiger Oz.
I have no doubt, or hesitation in saying a high operational standard has been maintained because the guys in the LHS overall have a high level of experience in what their doing, whether you view that on time on type or command experience overall is up to you.
And unless his standards/abilities have decreased over the years - a CP whom many would follow to the end of the earth, some managers most pilots wouldn't follow to the end of a terminal finger.
Huge management (singapore who direct, not Oz who have to react) decisions to be made to decide whether they want Tiger Oz to have a future...or not.
But as always any failure will be anybody's fault...other than the Singers "managers".
Cheers all
galdian
I have no doubt, or hesitation in saying a high operational standard has been maintained because the guys in the LHS overall have a high level of experience in what their doing, whether you view that on time on type or command experience overall is up to you.
And unless his standards/abilities have decreased over the years - a CP whom many would follow to the end of the earth, some managers most pilots wouldn't follow to the end of a terminal finger.
Huge management (singapore who direct, not Oz who have to react) decisions to be made to decide whether they want Tiger Oz to have a future...or not.
But as always any failure will be anybody's fault...other than the Singers "managers".
Cheers all
galdian
Safety inquiry to lift lid on Tiger Airways troubles
Safety inquiry to lift lid on Tiger Airways troubles
The Senate committee, which is investigating airline safety and pilot training standards and is due to hand down its report tomorrow, is expected to exercise its powers to force the Civil Aviation Safety Authority to hand over the "show cause" notice — the March 23 letter that outlines its concerns about the airline.
And now, an aircraft maintenance union has accused Tiger of "dodgy" and "unethical" practices after hearing airline crews had been told to turn a "blind eye" to aircraft defects rather than report them — allegations Tiger refutes.
"I've been told by crews that they've been told to turn a blind eye to defects and not record them in the aircraft technical logs," Mr Purvinas said.
Read more: Safety inquiry to lift lid on Tiger Airways troubles
The Senate committee, which is investigating airline safety and pilot training standards and is due to hand down its report tomorrow, is expected to exercise its powers to force the Civil Aviation Safety Authority to hand over the "show cause" notice — the March 23 letter that outlines its concerns about the airline.
And now, an aircraft maintenance union has accused Tiger of "dodgy" and "unethical" practices after hearing airline crews had been told to turn a "blind eye" to aircraft defects rather than report them — allegations Tiger refutes.
"I've been told by crews that they've been told to turn a blind eye to defects and not record them in the aircraft technical logs," Mr Purvinas said.
Read more: Safety inquiry to lift lid on Tiger Airways troubles
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As usual another ill informed beat up!
The quote from Mr Purvinas was from "cabin crew" not just "crew".
"I've been told by cabin crews......" which puts a completly different slant on the article.
The quote from Mr Purvinas was from "cabin crew" not just "crew".
"I've been told by cabin crews......" which puts a completly different slant on the article.
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First of all, cabin crew don't write in the tech log. Secondly, cabin crew should be running any defects past the flight crew to ascertain if they effect safe operation of the aircraft.
6days perhaps you should read more closely.
6days perhaps you should read more closely.
Actually, cabin crew have the ability under the CARs to ground an aeroplane with the defect log if they deem it unsafe.
It would not be popular with the Captain or company, but under the CARs they are obligated to.
It would not be popular with the Captain or company, but under the CARs they are obligated to.
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What are the accusations by the Engineers union based on ? Rumours?
Disgruntled cabin crew ? Hard to imagine this sort of thing in australia ! I understand that Tiger Operations is run by experienced highly
professional people who would not compromise safety for the sake of getting an Aircraft on line. If this turns out to be false, somebody is going to get bitten.
Disgruntled cabin crew ? Hard to imagine this sort of thing in australia ! I understand that Tiger Operations is run by experienced highly
professional people who would not compromise safety for the sake of getting an Aircraft on line. If this turns out to be false, somebody is going to get bitten.
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Which Regulation?
Green Goblin,
Given that you cannot mean CARs 47, 50 or 248, can you just give me a reference for the regulation(s) upon which you rely for your statement?
Stay Alive,
Actually, cabin crew have the ability under the CARs to ground an aeroplane with the defect log if they deem it unsafe.
It would not be popular with the Captain or company, but under the CARs they are obligated to.
It would not be popular with the Captain or company, but under the CARs they are obligated to.
Stay Alive,
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Green Goblin i think you will find the obligation is to REPORT a suspected defect. Since when in ANY airline do cabin crew have access to the tech log. The closest may be a cabin condition log or similar .
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Cabin crew don't ground an aircraft if they "deem it unsafe".
They report the defect to the Cabin Manager who then reports to the Captain, and then if the Captain can't defer the defect with the MEL then HE grounds the aircraft.
Although they often do ground aircraft inadvertantly by not turning up to work
They report the defect to the Cabin Manager who then reports to the Captain, and then if the Captain can't defer the defect with the MEL then HE grounds the aircraft.
Although they often do ground aircraft inadvertantly by not turning up to work
The defect grounds the aircraft, not the PIC (Captain) or crew.
It is the flight crews responsibility to enter the defect in the tech log and the aircraft can not fly until the item is fixed, deffered (PUS/MEL) or a dispensation granted.
The PIC always has the right to refuse to operate the aircraft for various reasons this does not mean it's grounded, the defect determines that.
Anyone can ground the aircraft by finding or causing such a defect.
It is the flight crews responsibility to enter the defect in the tech log and the aircraft can not fly until the item is fixed, deffered (PUS/MEL) or a dispensation granted.
The PIC always has the right to refuse to operate the aircraft for various reasons this does not mean it's grounded, the defect determines that.
Anyone can ground the aircraft by finding or causing such a defect.
