"Qantas to cut flights and jobs"
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I can just hear the soundbite now "Look, they only fly on average 14.5 hours per week...see how inefficient these mainline shorthaul pilots are!"
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This is nothing new... The 21 734s have long been planned for replacement by 738s by end of next year. These 738s have been in the order book for years, and the 734s have been long planned to be retired by 2013. Just ignorant journalism as usual, probably based on a press release by Qantas trying to help the share price along by "announcing" something that is actually nothing new and hoping nobody notices. Of course, it works and everyone jumps up and down patting AJ on the back for acting quickly and decisively in a dynamic aviation climate...
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*Shakes head*
While I'll agree the B734 are not the most fuel efficient airplane in the world today, one wonders how much these Australian Airline airplanes owe Qantas ?
I'd be thinking that for the "change-over" value of a B734 - B738 you could buy a truck-load of Jet-A1 ............
Bl@@dy accountants, knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing !!
ST
While I'll agree the B734 are not the most fuel efficient airplane in the world today, one wonders how much these Australian Airline airplanes owe Qantas ?
I'd be thinking that for the "change-over" value of a B734 - B738 you could buy a truck-load of Jet-A1 ............
Bl@@dy accountants, knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing !!
ST
Nunc est bibendum
I haven't checked this for spin but comments on the QF flight crew blog by management suggest that:
1. QF don't own 21 B734s, they own 17, and,
2. As far as they're aware, the fleet is still to grow by 5 over the next year or two.
1. QF don't own 21 B734s, they own 17, and,
2. As far as they're aware, the fleet is still to grow by 5 over the next year or two.
The 734 sale includes the Jetconnect fleet. I think Jetconnect have 3 x 734. Must be another one floating around somewhere to make the total 21.
The 738 order for this year is 14, 11 for Aus and 3 for Jetconnect.
The 738 order for this year is 14, 11 for Aus and 3 for Jetconnect.
short flights long nights
Is it true that QF have cancelled the Perth to Toyko service permanetly? Another Emirates opening...?????
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Management out of control
To put the management cuts into perspective:
In 2009, when Alan Joyce took over the reins, 500 management jobs were cut.
“The Australian's John Durie wrote: "Another 200 Qantas managers, or about 16 per cent, face the axe since the fuel price hike that has hit the airline industry. This would be biggest cut since April 2009, when about 500 positions were cut…”
Source: Business Spectator http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Qantas-Virgin-Blue-retail-Colorado-Myer-Centro-ASX-pd20110331-FFQU8?opendocument&src=rss
At the time, the reduction resulted in 800 Executives remaining within the Qantas Empire or 2.4% of the workforce based on the 2009 annual report figure of 33,030 employees.
If 16% of Executives is 200 then the total number of Executives now stands at 1250. This is 3.85% of the employees based on the 2010 annual report figure of 32,490 employees.
So, under Alan Joyce’s tenure, the Executive ranks at Qantas have swelled by 450 or approximately 57%. Add to that that there are generally 2 SPG’s (Senior Professional Group) managers to each Exec and the explosion at the top is quite extraordinary. This has happened in two years whilst Alan has been hammering the actual people who face the customer.
Alan, you have lost the plot. Your engagement mantra is just a hollow set of words not backed by any action.
By the way, every Qantas frontline employee should be aware that when an Executive takes 4 weeks of leave, they are re credited one week back into their leave bank as an incentive. How does every Pilot, Flight Attendant, Engineer etc. feel about that little smack in the face? Your family time is nowhere near as important as theirs.
In 2009, when Alan Joyce took over the reins, 500 management jobs were cut.
“The Australian's John Durie wrote: "Another 200 Qantas managers, or about 16 per cent, face the axe since the fuel price hike that has hit the airline industry. This would be biggest cut since April 2009, when about 500 positions were cut…”
Source: Business Spectator http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Qantas-Virgin-Blue-retail-Colorado-Myer-Centro-ASX-pd20110331-FFQU8?opendocument&src=rss
At the time, the reduction resulted in 800 Executives remaining within the Qantas Empire or 2.4% of the workforce based on the 2009 annual report figure of 33,030 employees.
If 16% of Executives is 200 then the total number of Executives now stands at 1250. This is 3.85% of the employees based on the 2010 annual report figure of 32,490 employees.
So, under Alan Joyce’s tenure, the Executive ranks at Qantas have swelled by 450 or approximately 57%. Add to that that there are generally 2 SPG’s (Senior Professional Group) managers to each Exec and the explosion at the top is quite extraordinary. This has happened in two years whilst Alan has been hammering the actual people who face the customer.
Alan, you have lost the plot. Your engagement mantra is just a hollow set of words not backed by any action.
By the way, every Qantas frontline employee should be aware that when an Executive takes 4 weeks of leave, they are re credited one week back into their leave bank as an incentive. How does every Pilot, Flight Attendant, Engineer etc. feel about that little smack in the face? Your family time is nowhere near as important as theirs.
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Guys,
You all raise some very good points and it's all well and good pointing them out on these forums BUT.... Has anyone bothered sending these facts or concerns to the people that count? You can start with Joyce, as well as the chairman followed by the board members?
Otherwise nothing will ever change.
Just an idea??
You all raise some very good points and it's all well and good pointing them out on these forums BUT.... Has anyone bothered sending these facts or concerns to the people that count? You can start with Joyce, as well as the chairman followed by the board members?
Otherwise nothing will ever change.
Just an idea??
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You all raise some very good points and it's all well and good pointing them out on these forums BUT.... Has anyone bothered sending these facts or concerns to the people that count? You can start with Joyce, as well as the chairman followed by the board members?
Otherwise nothing will ever change.
Otherwise nothing will ever change.
pool of goodwill and talent draining everywhere
morale rock bottom at frontline and middle management
cronyism rife in senior management, rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic
the days are numbered at the flying rat - mark my words it will be Ansett II
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From the SMH:
Qantas to cut up to 200 managers
Matt O'sullivan
April 7, 2011
THE bulk of almost 200 managers and support staff to be laid off by Qantas will be given notice from today as the airline cuts costs in an effort to combat surging jet fuel prices and weak travel demand.
The latest staff cuts are also seen as an attempt to allay concerns among investors about Qantas's ability to navigate the severest downturn since the global financial crisis. Jet fuel prices have reached fresh highs of more than $US137 ($132) a barrel in Singapore trading this week, up 38 per cent since the start of the year.
Qantas did not reveal the number of staff to be axed when it announced cost-cutting measures last week, which included retiring aircraft and cutting domestic and international flights.
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But insiders said that up to 200 managers and support staff would be layed off. The cuts could extend beyond the lower management rungs to operational positions, they said.
It was also speculated yesterday that one of the casualties could be Lesley Grant, the executive manager of customer and marketing who reports directly to the chief executive, Alan Joyce. Ms Grant was appointed in January to head a special team which aimed to improve Qantas's international product and brand image. She temporarily stepped aside from her previous role, which was divided between senior executives Lyell Strambi and Rob Gurney.
The management cuts are also seen as giving the company leverage ahead of a looming showdown with three unions representing licensed aircraft engineers, long-haul pilots and ground handling and check-in staff.
Will Seddon, of White Funds Management, said the management and support staff cuts gave the company credibility in their negotiations with the unions, as well as lowering labour costs.
''It should have given people confidence that there is someone behind the joystick. They have been relatively quick to act and what they have done is fairly rational,'' Mr Seddon said.
''I think everyone in the industry would look at where there is spare fat in the middle management ranks.''
However, Qantas is understood to be mindful about the loss over the last six months of experienced senior managers who have formed the brains of its international operations for decades, including Roger Lindeman, Hope Antzoulastos and Peter McLaughlin.
The latest cuts come two years after Qantas axed up to 1250 staff and 500 management positions in the aftermath of the global financial crisis.
Qantas to cut up to 200 managers
Matt O'sullivan
April 7, 2011
THE bulk of almost 200 managers and support staff to be laid off by Qantas will be given notice from today as the airline cuts costs in an effort to combat surging jet fuel prices and weak travel demand.
The latest staff cuts are also seen as an attempt to allay concerns among investors about Qantas's ability to navigate the severest downturn since the global financial crisis. Jet fuel prices have reached fresh highs of more than $US137 ($132) a barrel in Singapore trading this week, up 38 per cent since the start of the year.
Qantas did not reveal the number of staff to be axed when it announced cost-cutting measures last week, which included retiring aircraft and cutting domestic and international flights.
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But insiders said that up to 200 managers and support staff would be layed off. The cuts could extend beyond the lower management rungs to operational positions, they said.
It was also speculated yesterday that one of the casualties could be Lesley Grant, the executive manager of customer and marketing who reports directly to the chief executive, Alan Joyce. Ms Grant was appointed in January to head a special team which aimed to improve Qantas's international product and brand image. She temporarily stepped aside from her previous role, which was divided between senior executives Lyell Strambi and Rob Gurney.
The management cuts are also seen as giving the company leverage ahead of a looming showdown with three unions representing licensed aircraft engineers, long-haul pilots and ground handling and check-in staff.
Will Seddon, of White Funds Management, said the management and support staff cuts gave the company credibility in their negotiations with the unions, as well as lowering labour costs.
''It should have given people confidence that there is someone behind the joystick. They have been relatively quick to act and what they have done is fairly rational,'' Mr Seddon said.
''I think everyone in the industry would look at where there is spare fat in the middle management ranks.''
However, Qantas is understood to be mindful about the loss over the last six months of experienced senior managers who have formed the brains of its international operations for decades, including Roger Lindeman, Hope Antzoulastos and Peter McLaughlin.
The latest cuts come two years after Qantas axed up to 1250 staff and 500 management positions in the aftermath of the global financial crisis.
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In the mean time Jetstar has just sent an email out to staff advertising 36 commands and the need for 261 pilots over the next 9 month due to massive expansion.
Bruce Buchanan has also been blabbing away to tech crew on a recent jump seat ride explaining that Qantas long haul was unsustainable and will be gone in a few years.
It could be just the managements little cunning plan to get it out there but I do seem to remember Ansett telling all their staff the same thing just before it went tits up and everyone saying "don't worry it's just scare tactics from management!"
30 odd thousand employees will be hoping it is a bluff from management, me included!
Bruce Buchanan has also been blabbing away to tech crew on a recent jump seat ride explaining that Qantas long haul was unsustainable and will be gone in a few years.
It could be just the managements little cunning plan to get it out there but I do seem to remember Ansett telling all their staff the same thing just before it went tits up and everyone saying "don't worry it's just scare tactics from management!"
30 odd thousand employees will be hoping it is a bluff from management, me included!
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Originally Posted by Fruet Mich
Bruce Buchanan has also been blabbing away to tech crew on a recent jump seat ride explaining that Qantas long haul was unsustainable and will be gone in a few years.
Originally Posted by breakfastburrito
It would appear that the entire IR strategy has been about building a parallel offshore airline based around the B787. Once deliveries of the B787 were proceeding at a good pace, mainline would be put to the sword, goodnight & farewell.
Originally Posted by breakfastburrito
teresa & Ndicho, implicit in your comments is a single assumption so fundamental, so basic that is is easily overlooked - that the board & senior management wants a Qantas to survive in its present form. Test this assumption & review the last 10 years, what conclusions to do you come to?
Random thoughts that spring to mind: APA, takeover, low share price, Qantas Sale act.
I could be very wrong, but I believe it is important to test every assumption carefully, and think outside the box.
Random thoughts that spring to mind: APA, takeover, low share price, Qantas Sale act.
I could be very wrong, but I believe it is important to test every assumption carefully, and think outside the box.
It is not sustainable because senior management don't want it to be sustainable. This is an entirely management driven agenda. The play here is to get as many non "polluted" pilots in the door of j*, put mainline to death, then if forced by the IR laws (and a significant time delay, court cases, FWA etc) offer positions to the now out of work pilots - knowing full well that the vast majority are not going to want to start at the bottom of the seniority list as a junior FO. Further, these pilots can expect to be victimised through basings & denial of promotion.
There is a high degree of vindictiveness, spite & maliciousness in this deliberate process. As a j* pilot I would note this carefully, as it will be your future too.
There is nothing here I see to change my working hypothesis that Qantas is being destroyed to justify its destruction. Counter arguments please.
Bruce Buchanan has also been blabbing away to tech crew on a recent jump seat ride
