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Photos: Boeing 767-381F/ER Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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Not sure why the previous thread on this issue got deleted as the loss of this flying is a pertinent issue and a great example of the reason for the Long Haul pilots log of claims.
Here is what I wrote previously on the matter:
Again, this is why job security is so important and why the Qantas pilots claim is about job security and job security only.
A while back mainline pilots flew freight on the 767 to and within New Zealand on Qantas 767s. This was then contracted out to ATI and now is been undertaken by EFA using a 767 linked above by boeingwest displaying Qantas on its livery.
This is a transfer of business and as such is part of the claim to keep our jobs and keep this flying.
It is imperative that we keep our jobs and this freight flying is part of it. It beggars belief that the company is paying pilots on the 767 to sit around doing less than 50% of what they could be doing while they employ new pilots to do the same jobs. Even at the reported reduced cost of the new pilots the overall cost is more. It doesn’t make any sense and is fiscally irresponsible. By management continuing to push such ludicrous accounting practises it is continuing to push Qf International into the ground. Something the employees and the public must not let happen. It is up to the pilots to lead the way and ‘stop the rot’ as they are doing. How on earth can management call the pilots inefficient if they don’t work them when there is work to be done?!
The catalyst to return the freighter flying (including the rumored 747-400), which is part of Qantas, to the Qantas pilots is included in the Job Security clause being fought for by AIPA. The clause ‘uses a flight number that contains an IATA airline designator assigned to the company’ and/or ‘undertaken by aircraft that display on its livery the word ‘Qantas’ ’ covers this flying of freight. It was also confirmed verbally by the negotiating team at the meeting in Sydney that the Job Security clause covers freighter flying.
It is imperative that AIPA continue to fight for this cause as well as the others in the Job Security provisions.
To add to these thoughts, I see today that Qantas has made an underlying profit before tax was $417 million, up 56 per cent from $267 million in the first half of 2009/10. To quote the newspaper “underlying profit before tax - the company's preferred measure of financial performance”.
From a pilots perspective, which is only a small fraction of the airline:
This has happened with unsuitable aircraft on most routes.
This has happened with pilots on the long haul award.
This has happened whilst they have had pilots sitting around doing nothing but being paid in full whilst they employ more pilots to do the same job.
This has happened with (on some fleets) a 16% engagement level.
THINK MANAGEMENT WHAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH:
Correct aircraft flying the correct and in demand routes (yes that may mean expansion on the Qantas brand), being flown by engaged pilots flying their quota of 900 hours a year rather than the 400-500 a lot are on.
I honestly believe that is what the pilots want: a profitable, strong airline that we are all proud to be a part of.
It can happen but this current rot (EFA, Jetconnect, offshore bases, transfer of buisness etc) must stop and we must all work together-this where the real money will be made... Good luck folks
Please follow the link above for reference on what this thread is about.
Not sure why the previous thread on this issue got deleted as the loss of this flying is a pertinent issue and a great example of the reason for the Long Haul pilots log of claims.
Here is what I wrote previously on the matter:
Again, this is why job security is so important and why the Qantas pilots claim is about job security and job security only.
A while back mainline pilots flew freight on the 767 to and within New Zealand on Qantas 767s. This was then contracted out to ATI and now is been undertaken by EFA using a 767 linked above by boeingwest displaying Qantas on its livery.
This is a transfer of business and as such is part of the claim to keep our jobs and keep this flying.
It is imperative that we keep our jobs and this freight flying is part of it. It beggars belief that the company is paying pilots on the 767 to sit around doing less than 50% of what they could be doing while they employ new pilots to do the same jobs. Even at the reported reduced cost of the new pilots the overall cost is more. It doesn’t make any sense and is fiscally irresponsible. By management continuing to push such ludicrous accounting practises it is continuing to push Qf International into the ground. Something the employees and the public must not let happen. It is up to the pilots to lead the way and ‘stop the rot’ as they are doing. How on earth can management call the pilots inefficient if they don’t work them when there is work to be done?!
The catalyst to return the freighter flying (including the rumored 747-400), which is part of Qantas, to the Qantas pilots is included in the Job Security clause being fought for by AIPA. The clause ‘uses a flight number that contains an IATA airline designator assigned to the company’ and/or ‘undertaken by aircraft that display on its livery the word ‘Qantas’ ’ covers this flying of freight. It was also confirmed verbally by the negotiating team at the meeting in Sydney that the Job Security clause covers freighter flying.
It is imperative that AIPA continue to fight for this cause as well as the others in the Job Security provisions.
To add to these thoughts, I see today that Qantas has made an underlying profit before tax was $417 million, up 56 per cent from $267 million in the first half of 2009/10. To quote the newspaper “underlying profit before tax - the company's preferred measure of financial performance”.
From a pilots perspective, which is only a small fraction of the airline:
This has happened with unsuitable aircraft on most routes.
This has happened with pilots on the long haul award.
This has happened whilst they have had pilots sitting around doing nothing but being paid in full whilst they employ more pilots to do the same job.
This has happened with (on some fleets) a 16% engagement level.
THINK MANAGEMENT WHAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH:
Correct aircraft flying the correct and in demand routes (yes that may mean expansion on the Qantas brand), being flown by engaged pilots flying their quota of 900 hours a year rather than the 400-500 a lot are on.
I honestly believe that is what the pilots want: a profitable, strong airline that we are all proud to be a part of.
It can happen but this current rot (EFA, Jetconnect, offshore bases, transfer of buisness etc) must stop and we must all work together-this where the real money will be made... Good luck folks
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EFA to get several -400s?
Hearing lots of rumours that this operation is a go:
Qantas mulls buying 747 freighters
Any insiders with info on a likely start date for the first aircraft?
Is 4 airframes the plan?
PG
Qantas mulls buying 747 freighters
Any insiders with info on a likely start date for the first aircraft?
Is 4 airframes the plan?
PG
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When I see them pushing back from the terminal on their first revenue service with mainline crews at the controls then I may start to believe it. Until that time......
When I see them pushing back from the terminal on their first revenue service with mainline crews at the controls then I may start to believe it. Until that time......
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It's a wind up Keg. No way this outfit would make a decision that actually made sense.
I'm interested to know where these rumours are coming from, because no one in engineering knows anything about these 744f's, because just from experience with the 767 freighters we knew about them for a while before they arrived and there was a lot of training and technical support required for the 767 freighter before it arrived and I can't see it being any different for the 744f. If the rumour is true, I would be very surprised if they arrived before the end of this year.
astroboy said re EFA already hiring :
QF Chief Pilot (Intl) said yesterday that they don't see a need for any redundancies (compulsory or voluntary) in the foreseeable future (the flying plan is for the next 3yrs).
If thats the case, makes it even harder for QF to prove 'genuine redundancy' should the need arise
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One dot low.
The same day the QF Intl CP says no redundancies over the next 3 years a notice comes out for FO slots for Mainline guys in Jetstar.
What's the likelihood an SO would consider a transfer to JQ after reading the CP's blog.
The same day the QF Intl CP says no redundancies over the next 3 years a notice comes out for FO slots for Mainline guys in Jetstar.
What's the likelihood an SO would consider a transfer to JQ after reading the CP's blog.
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David Brent: I gave a speech only this morning to my staff assuring them that there would not be cutbacks at this branch and there certainly wouldn't be redundancies, so...
Jennifer Taylor-Clark: Well, why on Earth would you do that?
David Brent: Why? Oh, don't know. A little word I think's important in management called morale.
Jennifer Taylor-Clark: Well, surely it's going to be worse for morale in the long run when there ARE redundancies and you've told people that there won't be.
[pause]
David Brent: They won't remember.
Jennifer Taylor-Clark: Well, why on Earth would you do that?
David Brent: Why? Oh, don't know. A little word I think's important in management called morale.
Jennifer Taylor-Clark: Well, surely it's going to be worse for morale in the long run when there ARE redundancies and you've told people that there won't be.
[pause]
David Brent: They won't remember.
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I'm interested to know where these rumours are coming from, because no one in engineering knows anything about these 744f's, because just from experience with the 767 freighters we knew about them for a while before they arrived and there was a lot of training and technical support required for the 767 freighter before it arrived and I can't see it being any different for the 744f. If the rumour is true, I would be very surprised if they arrived before the end of this year.
QF engineers whilst retiring a 744 in VCV last year were asked to inspect 2 744ERF's. They are very new build aircraft and have spent most of their lives in storage.
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Think you might find this is all a smoke screen.
Atlas contract up for renewal,Atlas wants more money,Q looks at two freighters to put the wind up Atlas.
Atlas reduces contract cost
Just business one O one
Atlas contract up for renewal,Atlas wants more money,Q looks at two freighters to put the wind up Atlas.
Atlas reduces contract cost
Just business one O one