Nothing Personal Folks --its Just "business"
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Nothing Personal Folks --its Just "business"
Heard on tonight's news, due to the unprecedented 'rush' to get out of Cairns etc, ahead of Severe Cyclone YASI, airline fares are now DOUBLE the normal fare.....
Is this correct..??
'Tain't Nuthin' Personal Folks....Its Just "Business"........
"So & So" 'MAFIA' comes to mind.....
AFL Grand Final Time - OK- Its optional to travel...
Christmas ditto....sort of....
School Holidays....reprehensible...
"Natural Disasters".....SHAME SHAME SHAME...!!!! (Apols Mr Hinch....)
I know you'll probably be returning to Cairns etc EMPTY, BUT......
A "Fair and Reasonable" Fare would have been good PR....I would have thought!!!!
Is this correct..??
'Tain't Nuthin' Personal Folks....Its Just "Business"........
"So & So" 'MAFIA' comes to mind.....
AFL Grand Final Time - OK- Its optional to travel...
Christmas ditto....sort of....
School Holidays....reprehensible...
"Natural Disasters".....SHAME SHAME SHAME...!!!! (Apols Mr Hinch....)
I know you'll probably be returning to Cairns etc EMPTY, BUT......
A "Fair and Reasonable" Fare would have been good PR....I would have thought!!!!
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Cost me 4x as much to get out of Dallas Fort Worth after hurricane Rita closed Huston.
Twice doesn't look as bad now!
Sick as it is, people always profit from some form of disaster, from getting people out of there, to getting people into there.
Twice doesn't look as bad now!
Sick as it is, people always profit from some form of disaster, from getting people out of there, to getting people into there.
what's the onload priority for staff travel again???????????
That might distract him and The Ginja Ninja from thinking of a Cyclone Recovery tax...
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Heard on tonight's news,
Airfares go up when seats are limited its a fact of life, having said that airlines were increasing capacity today, dont know how you went.
There is going to be total destruction by the way in the next couple of days thats why everyone wants to get out. I wouldnt be surprised if Cairns is blown off the map.
I wouldnt be surprised if Cairns is blown off the map.
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the 250 - 300km/hr winds are just one part of the thing with this beast.
it could last 12 hrs, buildings can take the wind load for a time, 12 hrs is outside that time. also if things hit said houses (trees, branches, cars are a definite possibility in a CAT 5, etc) the houses are not built for those impacts. Boeings and Airbuses are happy doing 800km/hr, but if they hit a 100kg object moving at that speed, i'd be rather surprised if they stayed flying. same with a wall. a 100kg tree branch moving @ 200km/hr will do major damage to any wall you may care to construct
the ADRs target houses to survive CAT3s, this could be a massive CAT4 or even a CAT 5, that's a completely different thing.
and last but certainly not least.
STORM SURGE.
I've seen different projections from 2 - 4M. the US Navy have significant wave height at 27ft, that's on top of the surge. the buildings in Cairns are not built to survive becoming part of the GBR for many hrs with 27 ft waves bashing them about.
2M storm surge will cause massive damage to the airport esp with 27ft rollers.
http://takesteps.org/empower/exhibit...StormSurge.pdf
*forgot flying debris
it could last 12 hrs, buildings can take the wind load for a time, 12 hrs is outside that time. also if things hit said houses (trees, branches, cars are a definite possibility in a CAT 5, etc) the houses are not built for those impacts. Boeings and Airbuses are happy doing 800km/hr, but if they hit a 100kg object moving at that speed, i'd be rather surprised if they stayed flying. same with a wall. a 100kg tree branch moving @ 200km/hr will do major damage to any wall you may care to construct
the ADRs target houses to survive CAT3s, this could be a massive CAT4 or even a CAT 5, that's a completely different thing.
and last but certainly not least.
STORM SURGE.
I've seen different projections from 2 - 4M. the US Navy have significant wave height at 27ft, that's on top of the surge. the buildings in Cairns are not built to survive becoming part of the GBR for many hrs with 27 ft waves bashing them about.
2M storm surge will cause massive damage to the airport esp with 27ft rollers.
http://takesteps.org/empower/exhibit...StormSurge.pdf
*forgot flying debris
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Just like Brisbane was unfloodable lol
Just accept it is going to happen to many of these generations cant accept it,
North Qld WIPED OUT will be the news in 2 days accept it and move on, there is more coming!
Just accept it is going to happen to many of these generations cant accept it,
North Qld WIPED OUT will be the news in 2 days accept it and move on, there is more coming!
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It's going to get pretty bad up there. Probably best to get out or at least inland whilst you still can (just).
Have a look at Yasi on the satellite images etc and all the info/advice coming out from different places- friggin massive. Expect a lot of destruction.
To those who stay, hope you are well supplied and prepared!
As for the original topic, I wouldn't be surprised if carriers are charging a premium to get out. However, I hope they are not. Can they be found to be profiteering from this?
Have a look at Yasi on the satellite images etc and all the info/advice coming out from different places- friggin massive. Expect a lot of destruction.
To those who stay, hope you are well supplied and prepared!
As for the original topic, I wouldn't be surprised if carriers are charging a premium to get out. However, I hope they are not. Can they be found to be profiteering from this?
Be interesting to see if the house Dad built 60 years ago survives another one!
Good old fashioned Qld hardwood!
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"never use a nail if you can use a screw, never use a screw if you can fit a nut and bolt!"
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A quick rap for VB. I do a fair bit of travel on the commercials between jobs, but with Yasi around I had to cancel five flights on a run up and down the east coast next week. They were mostly on el cheapo tickets, and at least one was booked as completely non-refundable.
Sent VB an email at 1330 today, and at 1445 I got a reply to say that they're all cancelled and refunded with no fees charged - even the non-cancellable one.
It isn't VB's bloody cyclone and they would have been well within their rights to tell me to go away. But they really came to the party on this one ! Thanks and well done :-))
Sent VB an email at 1330 today, and at 1445 I got a reply to say that they're all cancelled and refunded with no fees charged - even the non-cancellable one.
It isn't VB's bloody cyclone and they would have been well within their rights to tell me to go away. But they really came to the party on this one ! Thanks and well done :-))
For those first timers, remember for an east coast cyclone that north of the eye the winds will be from the south west tending more westerly as yer head further north of the eye. South of the eye will get the brunt of the wind.
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Just read this on Airservices Internet Briefing Service.
METAR METAR YBCS 020730Z AUTO 19006KT //// // ////// 26/21 Q0993
RMK RF00.2/014.0
TAF TAF YBCS 020505Z 0206/0306
22020G40KT 9999 -SHRA BKN025
FM020800 26050G70KT 6000 RA BKN015
FM021100 30080G130KT 3000 RA OVC015
FM021800 35060G80KT 6000 RA BKN015
FM030000 02030G50KT 8000 -RA BKN018
TEMPO 0206/0306 3000 SHRA BKN012
PROB30 TEMPO 0206/0216 0500 +TSRA BKN005 OVC010
RMK FM020600 SEV TURB BLW 5000FT TILL030600
T 28 26 26 25 Q 997 994 990 988
ATIS ATIS YBCS Z 012353
CAIRNS ATS NOT AVBL.
CAIRNS AD CLOSED DUE TO PASSAGE
OF TROPICAL CYCLONE.
REFER TO NOTAM FOR SERVICE RESUMPTION
Interested in the ATIS section.
While understanding why ATS is not available, who determines that the AD is closed?? I thought the practice of closing the airport for wx was stopped years ago? Given the Metar at 0730, could one not operate safely there at that time?
METAR METAR YBCS 020730Z AUTO 19006KT //// // ////// 26/21 Q0993
RMK RF00.2/014.0
TAF TAF YBCS 020505Z 0206/0306
22020G40KT 9999 -SHRA BKN025
FM020800 26050G70KT 6000 RA BKN015
FM021100 30080G130KT 3000 RA OVC015
FM021800 35060G80KT 6000 RA BKN015
FM030000 02030G50KT 8000 -RA BKN018
TEMPO 0206/0306 3000 SHRA BKN012
PROB30 TEMPO 0206/0216 0500 +TSRA BKN005 OVC010
RMK FM020600 SEV TURB BLW 5000FT TILL030600
T 28 26 26 25 Q 997 994 990 988
ATIS ATIS YBCS Z 012353
CAIRNS ATS NOT AVBL.
CAIRNS AD CLOSED DUE TO PASSAGE
OF TROPICAL CYCLONE.
REFER TO NOTAM FOR SERVICE RESUMPTION
Interested in the ATIS section.
While understanding why ATS is not available, who determines that the AD is closed?? I thought the practice of closing the airport for wx was stopped years ago? Given the Metar at 0730, could one not operate safely there at that time?
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to the OP , when you say "double the normal fare" which normal fare are you talking about ? Do you mean double the normal rock bottom advertised discount fare which usually accounts for only a few seats per flight ? or double the normal full economy fare ? or double some other normal fare in between ? Perhaps if you were to give us an idea of actual $$$ it would help get your message across .
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Nothing like baseless allegations, Kiwi. Perhaps Ex-FSO is just a disguised member of our exalted news media? Nothing like a big headline to outrage the public.
Stupid threads like this, and the parallel thread on a similar topic, absolutely disgust me.
Show us your evidence Ex FSO GRIFFO.
Otherwise I would submit to the mods that this thread is probably libelous and deserves to be deleted.
Stupid threads like this, and the parallel thread on a similar topic, absolutely disgust me.
Show us your evidence Ex FSO GRIFFO.
Otherwise I would submit to the mods that this thread is probably libelous and deserves to be deleted.
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You appear to be a little 'unbalanced' on this topic, balance.
So if QF did double the fares, and the news was report was correct, you agree that QF did something wrong? Otherwise, how could it be libelous? On the other thread you are defending QFs right to double the fares due to it being a one-way load. Which is it?
that this thread is probably libelous
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Negative, Ferris. I'm trying to be absolutely "balanced". It seems to me that others here aren't.
Thats why I just went to the Qantas website and checked one way fares between Cairns and Brisbane which are fully flexible and purchased on the day of travel. A pretty easy piece of research really.
Strangely enough, they range between $564 and $684, full economy. The figure apparently bandied around by the press (and Teresa on another thread) was $600. Ok, so thats consistent. So what? That seems to be the usual full economy fare?
In actual fact - THE AIRFARES DID NOT GO UP AT ALL!
Just go to: qantas.com - research, plan, book and manage your trip and do the research for yourself.
So, tell me again, where is the rorting here?
Thats why I just went to the Qantas website and checked one way fares between Cairns and Brisbane which are fully flexible and purchased on the day of travel. A pretty easy piece of research really.
Strangely enough, they range between $564 and $684, full economy. The figure apparently bandied around by the press (and Teresa on another thread) was $600. Ok, so thats consistent. So what? That seems to be the usual full economy fare?
In actual fact - THE AIRFARES DID NOT GO UP AT ALL!
Just go to: qantas.com - research, plan, book and manage your trip and do the research for yourself.
So, tell me again, where is the rorting here?