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I'm sorry but your post is an example of your lack of objectivity. How can finding out what the current airfare is, demonstrate? If you had figures for the average fare over the last 6 months, then we would be in a position to make a judgement about whether QF was gouging/profiteering/being opportunistic. The cynic in me doubts that all the extra flights at the $600 fare were humanitarian. I look forward to being corrected.
Will you concede that you agree that if QF charged more than the 'normal' fare, they did something wrong?
Will you concede that you agree that if QF charged more than the 'normal' fare, they did something wrong?
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Gee 'Balance', Just to give U the balanced view....
NAH! I'm definitely not the media!
Quite a few here know who I is....enuf said.
The news was reported on Radio 6PR in Perth and on the CH7 news.....
I did ask 'Is this correct'..?? (3rd line of my text..!!)
Wot part of that did U not unnerstand..??
Note - I used the 'generic term' of 'airline fares'.....NIL mention of any company whatsoever.....
I see U are from QLD - hope you're not caught up in it - truly.
Cheers
NAH! I'm definitely not the media!
Quite a few here know who I is....enuf said.
The news was reported on Radio 6PR in Perth and on the CH7 news.....
I did ask 'Is this correct'..?? (3rd line of my text..!!)
Wot part of that did U not unnerstand..??
Note - I used the 'generic term' of 'airline fares'.....NIL mention of any company whatsoever.....
I see U are from QLD - hope you're not caught up in it - truly.
Cheers
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Of course I cannot give you the "average" fares over the last six months, ferris. It isnt particularly "objective" of you to ask me to, because you probably know that I can't do that.
Of course I would agree that "if" QF charged more than the "normal" fare, they would have been opportunistic.
But they didn't.
My point is that based on the current fares from the website taken from a random future date, full economy fares are between the figures I quoted.
So, what else do you need?
And, this isn't just about QF. It's JQ and VB, too... I'll let you do your own research on those two. In fact, if JQ or VB did price gouge, I'd be rather amused.
But it is simple, based on evidence provided here, QF DID NOT PRICE GOUGE. I am yet to be provided with ANY evidence that they did.
Innocent until proven guilty, not vice versa. Come up with some evidence, not rumour and inuendo from the tabloids...
So, ferris, will you agree that there is no valid evidence to suggest that they have price gouged?
And thanks for the clarification, griffo. No - I'm safe mate, thanks for the sentiment. I will admit to being a bit cranky today about some pretty unfair allegations about a company of which I proudly work for. Sometimes QF do some strange stuff. On this occasion though, they are being very unfairly treated....
Of course I would agree that "if" QF charged more than the "normal" fare, they would have been opportunistic.
But they didn't.
My point is that based on the current fares from the website taken from a random future date, full economy fares are between the figures I quoted.
So, what else do you need?
And, this isn't just about QF. It's JQ and VB, too... I'll let you do your own research on those two. In fact, if JQ or VB did price gouge, I'd be rather amused.
But it is simple, based on evidence provided here, QF DID NOT PRICE GOUGE. I am yet to be provided with ANY evidence that they did.
Innocent until proven guilty, not vice versa. Come up with some evidence, not rumour and inuendo from the tabloids...
So, ferris, will you agree that there is no valid evidence to suggest that they have price gouged?
And thanks for the clarification, griffo. No - I'm safe mate, thanks for the sentiment. I will admit to being a bit cranky today about some pretty unfair allegations about a company of which I proudly work for. Sometimes QF do some strange stuff. On this occasion though, they are being very unfairly treated....
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It isnt particularly "objective" of you to ask me to, because you probably know that I can't do that
I'm also sure that when people from up that way have more time to peruse this thread, they may have some input re; 'regular fares'. So if you don't mind, I will reserve judgement on whether there was any gouging, and not make a decision based on the "evidence in the thread so far". That would be a little emotional. I just know that when I was looking at a MEL- CNS return pre-cyclone (a few weeks ago), I was looking at around $600- $800.
(I won't even go there about whether $600 is a fair and reasonable, 'usual' fare CNS- vegas
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Ferris, you aren't making sense. Go to the Qantas website. Pick a random day. Check the fares. You will see exactly what I'm saying. Neither you, nor I will EVER know what the average fare was over the past 6 months, because no carrier is going to share that information. We can however, see what the fares are now.
Are you seriously suggesting that QF have, as a result of this cyclone, permenantly raised their fares between CNS and BNE? If so, I'm fairly surprised at your cynicism. I really doubt that fares would have suffered a permanent increase, competition simplyy wouldnt allow for that. VB would kill 'em.
So, based on the fares currently shown on their website I'd suggest that I'm using some valid evidence to suggest that no such gouging existed.
On the other hand, you are saying that because a tabloid has stated that this happened, it must be true? Even without hard evidence? The tabloids said just three days ago that the VB 777 "nosedived"! Do you really believe that too?
Seriously mate, give it up, and have a great night. Fokker, out.
Are you seriously suggesting that QF have, as a result of this cyclone, permenantly raised their fares between CNS and BNE? If so, I'm fairly surprised at your cynicism. I really doubt that fares would have suffered a permanent increase, competition simplyy wouldnt allow for that. VB would kill 'em.
So, based on the fares currently shown on their website I'd suggest that I'm using some valid evidence to suggest that no such gouging existed.
On the other hand, you are saying that because a tabloid has stated that this happened, it must be true? Even without hard evidence? The tabloids said just three days ago that the VB 777 "nosedived"! Do you really believe that too?
Seriously mate, give it up, and have a great night.
Fokker, out.
Interested in the ATIS section.
While understanding why ATS is not available, who determines that the AD is closed?? I thought the practice of closing the airport for wx was stopped years ago? Given the Metar at 0730, could one not operate safely there at that time?
While understanding why ATS is not available, who determines that the AD is closed?? I thought the practice of closing the airport for wx was stopped years ago? Given the Metar at 0730, could one not operate safely there at that time?
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Reur 'For the ATCers to hang around'......
The solid brick (?) building of the tower complex may be one of the safest places in town......
e.g. In Derby WA, for instance, the guys 'on duty' when the 'Red Alert' was announced were to stay there, on duty, in the Flight Service Unit building, and 'ride it out'.
They were also to supply weather reports - METARS / SPECIS to 'the outside world - and emergency comms via our HF / SSB channels / teletype if working etc .
Emergency genset was available, so everything worked, and a 'food / supplies box' was always kept full and fresh for the occasion.
I am told that families would be welcome to stay as well.
Had a couple of 'close' ones at the time, but nothing direct.
The solid brick (?) building of the tower complex may be one of the safest places in town......
e.g. In Derby WA, for instance, the guys 'on duty' when the 'Red Alert' was announced were to stay there, on duty, in the Flight Service Unit building, and 'ride it out'.
They were also to supply weather reports - METARS / SPECIS to 'the outside world - and emergency comms via our HF / SSB channels / teletype if working etc .
Emergency genset was available, so everything worked, and a 'food / supplies box' was always kept full and fresh for the occasion.
I am told that families would be welcome to stay as well.
Had a couple of 'close' ones at the time, but nothing direct.
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OK, I have done as you suggested. A random selection of days yields the following:
Fares are available from $119 to $684, with the type of fare that these people would've needed being the $384 "super saver" (or less). {Out of interest, VB is $129 to $349 for "flexible"}.
I'd suggest that if your intention is to quell dissatisfaction with QF being opportunistic here, you are on a hiding to nothing.
Fares are available from $119 to $684, with the type of fare that these people would've needed being the $384 "super saver" (or less). {Out of interest, VB is $129 to $349 for "flexible"}.
I'd suggest that if your intention is to quell dissatisfaction with QF being opportunistic here, you are on a hiding to nothing.
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There are two notams of interest, the first one has already been quoted in this thread, but the second one sets up a Restricted Area and gives clear requirements for operating in it:
(edited ...)
THE CARRIAGE AND USE OF TWO RADIOS IS REQUIRED FOR ENTRY TO THE
RESTRICTED AREA.
PRIOR TO OPERATING ON THE MANOEUVRING AREA OR IN THE AFFECTED
AIRSPACE, PILOTS/OPERATORS MUST:
1.OBTAIN A BRIEFING ON CONTINGENCY PROCEDURES FROM AIRSERVICES
AUSTRALIA ON +61 7 3866 3798
2.OBTAIN A LANDING, DEPARTURE OR TRANSIT TIME.
TRAFFIC INFO BROADCAST BY AIRCRAFT (TIBA) AND MANDATORY BROADCAST
PROC AS DETAILED IN AIP GEN 3.3 APPLY ON 124.9 MHZ.
TCAS AND TRANSPONDER EQPT MUST BE SELECTED ON AT ALL TIMES.
OPERATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE IFR AND DISPLAY NAVIGATION AND ANTI
COLLISION LIGHTS.
(edited ...)
THE CARRIAGE AND USE OF TWO RADIOS IS REQUIRED FOR ENTRY TO THE
RESTRICTED AREA.
PRIOR TO OPERATING ON THE MANOEUVRING AREA OR IN THE AFFECTED
AIRSPACE, PILOTS/OPERATORS MUST:
1.OBTAIN A BRIEFING ON CONTINGENCY PROCEDURES FROM AIRSERVICES
AUSTRALIA ON +61 7 3866 3798
2.OBTAIN A LANDING, DEPARTURE OR TRANSIT TIME.
TRAFFIC INFO BROADCAST BY AIRCRAFT (TIBA) AND MANDATORY BROADCAST
PROC AS DETAILED IN AIP GEN 3.3 APPLY ON 124.9 MHZ.
TCAS AND TRANSPONDER EQPT MUST BE SELECTED ON AT ALL TIMES.
OPERATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE IFR AND DISPLAY NAVIGATION AND ANTI
COLLISION LIGHTS.
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Opinions are like ar$eholes. Everyone has one. Some of them really stink. Nice contribution, Hempy.
The level of ignorance on this BB is profound. Ferris, take a look at the fares carefully, without your ANTI-QF glasses on, for christs sake.
Yup, they range from $119 to $684 on some days. On each flight, there are a few seats at the cheaper prices, and once these sell out, you are left with the $684 fares. Riiiiight? Got that?
So if one mug punter complained to a tabloid that all he or she could get was a $684 seat, then the tabloid implies that ALL seats were that price. Bullsh1t of course, but hey, it sells a story doesn't it?
YOU are doing the same thing, ferris. YOU ASSUME that I'm on a hiding to nothing, when you are demonstrating clearly an ignorance of how yield management works. At the same time you seem to be making rather unfounded accusations.
YOUR intention seems to be to incite dissatisfaction with Qantas. Sorry, poor attempt.
Enough. It's like a fricking kindergarten here sometimes.
The level of ignorance on this BB is profound. Ferris, take a look at the fares carefully, without your ANTI-QF glasses on, for christs sake.
Yup, they range from $119 to $684 on some days. On each flight, there are a few seats at the cheaper prices, and once these sell out, you are left with the $684 fares. Riiiiight? Got that?
So if one mug punter complained to a tabloid that all he or she could get was a $684 seat, then the tabloid implies that ALL seats were that price. Bullsh1t of course, but hey, it sells a story doesn't it?
YOU are doing the same thing, ferris. YOU ASSUME that I'm on a hiding to nothing, when you are demonstrating clearly an ignorance of how yield management works. At the same time you seem to be making rather unfounded accusations.
YOUR intention seems to be to incite dissatisfaction with Qantas. Sorry, poor attempt.
Enough. It's like a fricking kindergarten here sometimes.
The solid brick (?) building of the tower complex may be one of the safest places in town......
In Darwin, I certainly would have used the Flight Service centre as it survived Tracy intact.
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The level of ignorance on this BB is profound
If QF had've rocked up with the extra frames and charged, say, $380 for every seat, then it might be justified. After all, that is what they normally average (and make a profit) {educate yourself about yield management, genius
}. Maybe even a little bit extra for the empty inbound. But if they have charged $684 (or near enough), THAT IS opportunistic. And they deserve everything they get.
dopey? forget it balance.
Whilst it's clear that the airlines didn't give the tickets away for nothing. To suggest somehow they were profiteering, based on a single news paper report shows how dopey some people can be.
Good Night. And good luck to all up north.
Whilst it's clear that the airlines didn't give the tickets away for nothing. To suggest somehow they were profiteering, based on a single news paper report shows how dopey some people can be.
Good Night. And good luck to all up north.
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Okay. YOUR ignorance is profound, ferris. You have no evidence whatsoever. Yet you are making sh1t up. And calling me names when I point out YOUR lack of reason.
Again: "YOUR intention seems to be to incite dissatisfaction with Qantas. Sorry, poor attempt."
Whatever, d1ckhead.
Again: "YOUR intention seems to be to incite dissatisfaction with Qantas. Sorry, poor attempt."
Whatever, d1ckhead.
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What, exactly, have I made up? Please, you already have demonstrated you don't have a clue, but just point out what is made up and I'll happily retract it.
I didn't report the story (it was channel 7).
I didn't start the thread (ex FSO Griffo).
I didn't invent the available airfares.
I'm not inciting anything. Just pointing out how stupid you look in the manner you are trying to defend Qantas. Without any help from me, you continue to do so. Why don't you tell us all how yield management works again?
The only statement I can find from QF doesn't fill me with joy...."There have been reports that airlines are hiking up their fares to take advantage of the exodus.
But the Qantas spokesman said it was charging standard commercial rates, ...." here Hundreds of tourists flee as Cyclone Yasi approaches Sounds like weasel words for the $684 non-advanced purchase fare. A far clearer, unequivocal denial by Jetstar "...Mr Westaway said Jetstar fares from Cairns on Wednesday were also normal - from $139 to Brisbane, $169 to Melbourne and $149 to the Gold Coast.
"We are not in any way, shape or form changing the price of seats," he said."
Still, I await your transition to sensible debate, ready to be corrected with facts or competent argument, rather than your fanstasies and slurs.
I didn't report the story (it was channel 7).
I didn't start the thread (ex FSO Griffo).
I didn't invent the available airfares.
I'm not inciting anything. Just pointing out how stupid you look in the manner you are trying to defend Qantas. Without any help from me, you continue to do so. Why don't you tell us all how yield management works again?
The only statement I can find from QF doesn't fill me with joy...."There have been reports that airlines are hiking up their fares to take advantage of the exodus.
But the Qantas spokesman said it was charging standard commercial rates, ...." here Hundreds of tourists flee as Cyclone Yasi approaches Sounds like weasel words for the $684 non-advanced purchase fare. A far clearer, unequivocal denial by Jetstar "...Mr Westaway said Jetstar fares from Cairns on Wednesday were also normal - from $139 to Brisbane, $169 to Melbourne and $149 to the Gold Coast.
"We are not in any way, shape or form changing the price of seats," he said."
Still, I await your transition to sensible debate, ready to be corrected with facts or competent argument, rather than your fanstasies and slurs.
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The only weasel words I hear are yours, ferris. You are only listening to that which suits your anti QF sentiment. Sensible debate, yet you arent listening? You are selective, you have no evidence, and at the same time you ARE implying improper conduct from QF. Try telling me you arent? No in fact dont worry about it. You wont listen to anything else, so why bother any further.
I'll go away and leave you stew in your own crap. Have a nice day.
I'll go away and leave you stew in your own crap. Have a nice day.