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Old 6th Dec 2010, 19:48
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Why does Joyce hate Qantas so much?

As a proud Qantas employee I am finding it increasingly difficult to drag myself out of bed at 3AM to go to that place under the leadership of AJ. Does anyone else have the same problem? How much sense does this make?


Qf 11 Tues 6 Dec 2010. Qantas with numerous aircraft parked in the desert have now run out of planes. The Qantas service was covered by a leased A340 from Air Tahiti.

At the same time VH-EBJ (former Qantas 330) is in a paint shop having the kangaroo tail replaced with a nice big star.

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Oh and if there had been a mechanical issue on the A340 that would not have been Qantas fault because it was an aircraft that had been leased from and maintained by Air Tahiti!!

I think I am getting it. Maybe they can cross hire an aircraft from Garuda Air it will be cheaper and QF will make more profit!!

In my opinion any company that takes another company's product or materials and mixes them together to make a different product that is 'branded' as their own and that generates profit for themselves should take full responsibity and not try to blame the companies providing the constituent parts. After all that is business!

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I don't know if he hates us but he certainly doesn't love us
He offshores pilot jobs to Singapore and New Zealand to avoid paying minimum wage, I heard the pilots from Jetconnect get $42,000 a year New Zealand Dollars ! god knows what the SIN pilots get

If you speak out against unsafe practices he sacks you or stands you down

He tells one and all he is engaging his employees but it is not true engagement surveys taken 12months after Joyce's ascension to the throne showed the same results as under dixon's reign, all red,all disengagement and that included his own management I bet he doesn't release those results to the press

He appears to be a bully and a fibber covering his mistakes by standing over people it seems the only thing that changed since dicko went is the accent
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Ah but what Joyce does not realize yet is that there is an industrial relations **** sandwich on it's way with his name on it!!

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I assume CASA’s risk assessment procedures are flashing big red warning lights? After all, staff morale is an important element in maintaining the desired safety culture right?
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I say this through gritted teeth but to be fair, EBJ was planned to go to J* for some time. Two new A330's, EBO and EBP, have arrived in mainline in the last few weeks and no-one could have predicted what was going to happen to Nancy Bird.

But I do believe Joyce is still too focused on Jetstar. Particularly now fleet replacement is going to be such an issue with the 747's and the 767's.
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Once more i dont think Joyce , the board or senior management have any idea whats going on. The airline is in deep trouble fleet wise as we have missed a generation of aircraft (777), the 380 and 787 have issues and the 747s and 330s all need a refurb to a decent standard of IFE and J class seats. None of this can be rectified quickly, the first 747 goes in in August 2011 and asfar as i know the 330s are not planned for a cabin upgrade. The airline disintegrates while Joyce fiddles.
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They don't really care

here is why, recently we had the worst engagement pulse survey and what has the board decided to do. overall managament changes included an increase in salaries combined from 8,3 million (or nearby) to 12,4 million. also the reclassification of departmental and senior departmental heads mean a whopping salary increase. IT PAYS TO KEEP STAFF DISENGAGED!
As the Chairman said at the AGM there are plenty of people who want to work for QF. James Strong runs the remunaration assessments and you can be assured it never goes down!
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Joyce's Skillset

Joyce focuses on Jet star because it is what he knows.
He has no skillset to run an international airline operation
Joyce is just another incompetent who has been promoted to a level that is way above his skillset.
One misaligned bore hole is going to bring the whole house of cards down and no one will be held accountable
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Defcon4 wrote

He has no skillset to run an international airline operation
Joyce is just another incompetent who has been promoted to a level that is way above his skillset.
What special insights and qualifications do you have to write such drivel? Are you presenting your CV to Leigh Clifford rather than spending time on PPRUNE, as your talents, such as they are, have been overlooked during the CEO selection process.
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If it looks like a duck it probably is one!

You don't need to be a duck to see one!
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Qantas mishaps since 2006 | Perth Now

Bit of a trend there?
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I dont tink da little fella hates QF. I tink he hates anything that could impede his tasteful salary and bonus scheme such as having to sink money into decent service, happy staff, decent new aircraft (excluding the Dugong) and so forth.
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Oh yea let's get our 'facts' from "Perth Now" - bird strike? Really?

However, if you want to use that list of crap, how about you add the shown number of incidents up and divide it by the number of sectors flown across the entire Qantas group for the period shown then multiply that number by 100. I think you'll find it is a very, very small percentage. Then do the same for every other airline in the world and compare the figures. That will at least be a little more realistic. Listing erroneous bits of data proves nothing.
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yep......FACTS IN ISOLATION

Mind you they seem to be having more facts in recent years
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I tink he hates anything that could impede his tasteful salary and bonus scheme
Over the years I have engaged professionally and socially with quite a few Qantas executives. It might surprise the cynical here that not once did I see any decision-making at Qantas with a view to a bonus or higher salary. Without exception, all have been dedicated to making Qantas a better place for staff, customers and shareholders.

Here's a challenge to the nay-sayers: are any of them able to produce positive proof or even evidence that the Qantas people with whom they interact have been looking to procure or enhance his or her bonus rather than doing 'what's right'?
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Here's a challenge to the nay-sayers: are any of them able to produce positive proof or even evidence that the Qantas people with whom they interact have been looking to procure or enhance his or her bonus rather than doing 'what's right'?
Ken, you truly are a Qantas footstool.

Here's a challenge to all the brown nosers - How about you provide evidence that executives are more interested in the airlines well being than in the filling of their wallets ?

I doubt Ken if you can. Your comments traditionally side with management or as in this post 'boast subtly about your socialising with executives' which I also doubt. Ken, I suggest you take off your bowtie and tweed coat, remove your kneepads, put chapstick on your dried out lips and go back to watching Dr Phil during the day and plane spotting with binoculars and listening to aircraft movements via your hand held radio.
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.... the APA Bid .....
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Hey Cactus. Don't shoot the messenger and don't attack the man. That's is the tactic best left for the losers. Anyway, your character assessment is so far from the mark it is just laughable. ,

BTW, ever heard of the adage that goes along the lines that the burden of proof rests with he who makes the assertion? I suspect not as it is almost certainly not deep enough for people with your obvious intelligence. Now leave me, and others with whom you disagree, alone. Attack the topic with vigour, debate it for all you're worth but don't resort to personal villification. OK?
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**** Capt K, That was too easy.......What say you Ken?
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