A380 - VH-OQA Write Off.
A year or so ago QF started an ad campaign in UK emphasing "worlds most experienced airline" or similar. Made pilots cringe.
Qf has been around a while but much "experience" gained doing "ground hog day" - SYD SIN LHR SIN SYD etc etc.
Most QF pilots are aware, envious and appreciative of the multiple destinations that other crew encounter on a daily basis.
The familiarity with all destinations can produce its own problems.
There are no doubt some w@@#%$# that believe Qantas is the best - the rest of us try to be but are under no illusions....
Qf has been around a while but much "experience" gained doing "ground hog day" - SYD SIN LHR SIN SYD etc etc.
Most QF pilots are aware, envious and appreciative of the multiple destinations that other crew encounter on a daily basis.
The familiarity with all destinations can produce its own problems.
There are no doubt some w@@#%$# that believe Qantas is the best - the rest of us try to be but are under no illusions....
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My son recently flew CX and was appalled at the cabin crew standards and behaviour. They made virtually no attempt to enforce seatbelt restrictions or anything else. The service was crap as well.
God help the passengers when there is an incident on any Asian crewed airline because the cabin crew won't.
God help the passengers when there is an incident on any Asian crewed airline because the cabin crew won't.
Sunfish:---- you are a biased racist idiot. I'm not sorry to say it. As a Professional working in the industry for nearly 30 years I have a better idea of standards and safety than your son ( was he travelling in the Baby bassinet? ) My cabin crew have many times in the recent past excelled themselves in emergency situations and I have absolutely no hesitation in saying that they are as professional a bunch as any QF crew. Their runs are already on the board mate.
I've been the Captain on several diversions in the last 10 years and my crew continued to give service above and beyond to their passengers long after the wheels had stopped. Assisting them in the terminal, helping with bags and taking them personally to the airport hotel. This is what my crew do, it's their job and they do it well.
Running down other Airlines and their crews does nothing to help your cause so pull your stupid head in and stick to flying in GA with OzRunways strapped to your knee.
I've been the Captain on several diversions in the last 10 years and my crew continued to give service above and beyond to their passengers long after the wheels had stopped. Assisting them in the terminal, helping with bags and taking them personally to the airport hotel. This is what my crew do, it's their job and they do it well.
Running down other Airlines and their crews does nothing to help your cause so pull your stupid head in and stick to flying in GA with OzRunways strapped to your knee.
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Thats a bit average mate. You do post a lot of intelligent thought provoking material, which generally are supported by facts or are well thought out.
I think you may have missed the mark here with such a sweeping generalisation. I don't think it is (i hope not) racially motivated but very uninformed.
Generally i am a fan but can't go with you on this one. there are a lot of Aussie CX pilots here and I would be surprised if they held the same views of the CC they work with everyday.
Thats a bit average mate. You do post a lot of intelligent thought provoking material, which generally are supported by facts or are well thought out.
I think you may have missed the mark here with such a sweeping generalisation. I don't think it is (i hope not) racially motivated but very uninformed.
Generally i am a fan but can't go with you on this one. there are a lot of Aussie CX pilots here and I would be surprised if they held the same views of the CC they work with everyday.
HKG Airlines bought the A380's that QF didn't want but they might be unwanted again
Hong Kong Airlines may cancel A380 order: report
Hong Kong Airlines may cancel an order for 10 Airbus superjumbo A380 jets, a report said Thursday, as Chinese opposition to the European Union's airlines carbon emissions fee intensifies.
Beijing has banned its airlines from complying with the EU scheme, which was imposed from January 1 although no airline will face a bill until 2013.
Hong Kong Airlines, a subsidiary of Chinese carrier Hainan Airlines, said it was under pressure to cancel the acquisition -- reportedly worth about $3.8 billion at list prices -- following China's decision.
"We cannot do something which is against our country's interest," Hong Kong Airlines president Yang Jianhong told the South China Morning Post newspaper in Hong Kong.
The airline might review its fleet expansion plan if the order is dropped, the newspaper quoted a source from the firm as saying. The 10 jets were intended to serve its European and North American markets.
Hong Kong Airlines could not be immediately reached for comment. A Singapore-based spokesman for Airbus told AFP "there is no change to the status of the order" at the moment.
The European aircraft manufacturer has reportedly said it plans to deliver the first A380 to Hong Kong Airlines in 2015.
China was among more than two dozen countries including India, Russia and the United States that opposed the EU scheme, which is imposed on airlines taking off or landing in Europe.
The EU has said the carbon tax will help the 27-nation EU bloc achieve its goal of cutting emissions by 20 percent by 2020 and that it will not back down, despite claims the charge violates international law.
China has said it fears its aviation sector will have to pay an additional 800 million yuan ($125 million) a year on flights originating from or landing in Europe, and that the cost could be almost four times higher by 2020.
by Simon Martin © 2012 AFP Source : AFP
Hong Kong Airlines may cancel an order for 10 Airbus superjumbo A380 jets, a report said Thursday, as Chinese opposition to the European Union's airlines carbon emissions fee intensifies.
Beijing has banned its airlines from complying with the EU scheme, which was imposed from January 1 although no airline will face a bill until 2013.
Hong Kong Airlines, a subsidiary of Chinese carrier Hainan Airlines, said it was under pressure to cancel the acquisition -- reportedly worth about $3.8 billion at list prices -- following China's decision.
"We cannot do something which is against our country's interest," Hong Kong Airlines president Yang Jianhong told the South China Morning Post newspaper in Hong Kong.
The airline might review its fleet expansion plan if the order is dropped, the newspaper quoted a source from the firm as saying. The 10 jets were intended to serve its European and North American markets.
Hong Kong Airlines could not be immediately reached for comment. A Singapore-based spokesman for Airbus told AFP "there is no change to the status of the order" at the moment.
The European aircraft manufacturer has reportedly said it plans to deliver the first A380 to Hong Kong Airlines in 2015.
China was among more than two dozen countries including India, Russia and the United States that opposed the EU scheme, which is imposed on airlines taking off or landing in Europe.
The EU has said the carbon tax will help the 27-nation EU bloc achieve its goal of cutting emissions by 20 percent by 2020 and that it will not back down, despite claims the charge violates international law.
China has said it fears its aviation sector will have to pay an additional 800 million yuan ($125 million) a year on flights originating from or landing in Europe, and that the cost could be almost four times higher by 2020.
by Simon Martin © 2012 AFP Source : AFP
Hong Kong Airlines may cancel an order for 10 Airbus superjumbo A380 jets, a report said Thursday, as Chinese opposition to the European Union's airlines carbon emissions fee intensifies.
Nancy's sitting down near the southern end of 20C in Singapore. Looks complete from the outside but apparently there is a further delay due to a wait for hangar space to complete the job.
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
Looks complete from the outside but apparently there is a further delay due to a wait for hangar space to complete the job.
"Oh I'm so sorry Mr Qantas, That airplane you had booked in for a "D-Check", that you've just sent here with no more hours to run as you've used up all your extensions.....So sorry, cannot do check for another 8 weeks as the check for another airline is running late / they paid us more then you pay us / we have our own aircraft to service / our contractors just left for someone who pays 2-bowls-of-rice a day"
Am I the only one who can see this happening ?
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The penalty clauses built in to these maintenance contracts are very, very severe if delays are caused by or attributed to the contracting engineering company. Heads are likely to roll in SIA if penalty clauses are invoked, the alternative is to negotiate a cheaper contract without these clauses, could that be QANTAS?
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I'm guessing that an A380 that takes almost 200 more passengers per flight in SQ format than its 777s, 471 passengers compared to around 280 passengers, would make a ****load more money than the smaller jet per flight. Isn't that why they were built. The take more passengers per flight.
Having flown in both the SQ 777-300ER (Frankfurt) and SQ A380 (Paris) the big one is bliss for passengers, even better than the Boeing, but not complaining about it either.
Having flown in both the SQ 777-300ER (Frankfurt) and SQ A380 (Paris) the big one is bliss for passengers, even better than the Boeing, but not complaining about it either.
600 pax A380 the only way forward
Having flown in both the SQ 777-300ER (Frankfurt) and SQ A380 (Paris) the big one is bliss for passengers
1. Less Fuel
2. Significantly less maintenance
3. Much lower lease costs/ownership costs
4. Lower Airport fees
5. More freight revenue
The minute the T7 flies with a 95% load factor and the A380 drops to 80% it means the A380 is effectively LOSING money.
The A380, whilst all being "marvellous" and spacious/quiet for pax is not the financial dream that some pretend.
The only way the A380 will make you money is to jam in more seats. LH is operating with 549 pax whilst QF is still lumbering about with 450 pax. EK has plans to put 644 pax into some of their A380 fleet.
11 abreast in Y for the A380 will be the future just like EK are packing in the 777 with 10 abreast
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From a business point of view, thats not the point. You aren't making more money from 777s if you end up leaving hundreds of passengers behind every time you fly one. But if you are only every going to have 300 passengers, sweet. You can fly a 777 and leave no money behind.
I'm not knocking 777s, but the idea that airlines would voluntarily sacrifice anything between 100-200 passengers per flight or hundreds of millions of bucks a year per jet in revenue is crazy. Itz like saying you'd make more money flying a 737 versus a 767 by leaving 70 passengers to find a seat with your competitor per flight. You'd do your backside.
I'm not knocking 777s, but the idea that airlines would voluntarily sacrifice anything between 100-200 passengers per flight or hundreds of millions of bucks a year per jet in revenue is crazy. Itz like saying you'd make more money flying a 737 versus a 767 by leaving 70 passengers to find a seat with your competitor per flight. You'd do your backside.
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Gee thanks for that input, Managers Perspective. I really didn't know that. I'm very glad you are here to give us all a look at "your" perspective.
Might want to re-read the previous posts, then take that nappy off your head, you tool.
Might want to re-read the previous posts, then take that nappy off your head, you tool.
denabol,
If you leave heaps of potential pax behind when your aircraft is full you make buckets of money. The object of the exercise is to fill your aircraft, not carry all the potentail pax.
If you leave heaps of potential pax behind when your aircraft is full you make buckets of money. The object of the exercise is to fill your aircraft, not carry all the potentail pax.
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This is why pilots dont make managers....they would fly the prestige, not the revenue maker (many years ago I saw a study that said 73% of pilots thought their airline should fly concordes!)
Comparing a 777 against an A380 is ludicrous....apples and oranges. There is a reason why the A380 has been allocated to those routes, and obviously people totally missed the point.
The A380 is hoarding all available passangers and bringing them to YOUR product, exposing every single one of those fare paying passengers to your bi-products. In the thick trunk routes, this is invaluable! Compare an A380 to a 747 if you really want to look at proper figures.
Comparing a 777 against an A380 is ludicrous....apples and oranges. There is a reason why the A380 has been allocated to those routes, and obviously people totally missed the point.
The A380 is hoarding all available passangers and bringing them to YOUR product, exposing every single one of those fare paying passengers to your bi-products. In the thick trunk routes, this is invaluable! Compare an A380 to a 747 if you really want to look at proper figures.