A380 - VH-OQA Write Off.
adsyj,
I've not besmirched anyone. As a result, no apology will be forthcoming. However, will the 'Engineers' apologise to Qantas and its customers for the hell they put them through? Here is an extract from the Senate Hearing last Monday if you don't understand from where I'm coming:
Senator ABETZ: We have had a lot of this agitation within the marketplace and quite inflammatory commentary by certain people against Qantas for a period of nine months. You are saying that through the Fair Work process Qantas has ended up largely with what was on the table for the union nine months ago.
Mr Joyce : Yes.
I'm now going to enjoy a game of golf.
I've not besmirched anyone. As a result, no apology will be forthcoming. However, will the 'Engineers' apologise to Qantas and its customers for the hell they put them through? Here is an extract from the Senate Hearing last Monday if you don't understand from where I'm coming:
Senator ABETZ: We have had a lot of this agitation within the marketplace and quite inflammatory commentary by certain people against Qantas for a period of nine months. You are saying that through the Fair Work process Qantas has ended up largely with what was on the table for the union nine months ago.
Mr Joyce : Yes.
I'm now going to enjoy a game of golf.
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Ken's balls
I'm now going to enjoy a game of golf.
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Boeing used to use a mandrel setup to cold work the the walls of such holes and put them in compression before fitting something with an interference fit. McDonnel Douglas used a "coining" process to do the same thing. The idea was to ensure there were little or no tensile stresses in the walls of the holes.
I would have thought Airbus has done something similar.
I wonder if the issue is going to be the stability of the rib in compression if the feet aren't firmly secured to the skin? (Euler?)
I'm sure they can fix it.
I would have thought Airbus has done something similar.
I wonder if the issue is going to be the stability of the rib in compression if the feet aren't firmly secured to the skin? (Euler?)
I'm sure they can fix it.
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I'm sure they can fix it. 9th Feb 2012 07:44
The latest ones were found during routine checks of the A380 - named Charles Kingsford Smith - after it hit severe turbulence above India on a flight from London to Singapore on January 7.
The engineers found a total 36 hairline cracks in the wing-rib feet of the A380. Each wing has about 2000 wing-rib feet, which attach the skins of the wings to brackets.
Qantas said last night that the cracks found in the Charles Kingsford-Smith were not related to the turbulence or specific to the airline but had been traced to a manufacturing issue at Airbus.
"This type of cracking is different from the 'type two' cracking found on certain A380s in the global fleet, which is now the subject of a European airworthiness directive,'' a spokesman said. ''To date, type-two cracking has not been found on Qantas aircraft.'
Read more: Cracks put Qantas A380 out of action
The engineers found a total 36 hairline cracks in the wing-rib feet of the A380. Each wing has about 2000 wing-rib feet, which attach the skins of the wings to brackets.
Qantas said last night that the cracks found in the Charles Kingsford-Smith were not related to the turbulence or specific to the airline but had been traced to a manufacturing issue at Airbus.
"This type of cracking is different from the 'type two' cracking found on certain A380s in the global fleet, which is now the subject of a European airworthiness directive,'' a spokesman said. ''To date, type-two cracking has not been found on Qantas aircraft.'
Read more: Cracks put Qantas A380 out of action
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Pull your head in Ken,
The engineers that you say do not have "genuine credibility" and are only "mechanics" your words, found the cracks which are now the subject of an EAD. YOU GOT IT WRONG AGAIN
You hate Qantas staff Ken we get it, but to imply engineers in discovering new cracks is an attempt to undermine Qantas is pathetic just like you.
Agreed, but only if they have genuine credibility instead of hogging the media trying to score (a) cheap shots, and (b) scaring off as many customers as is possible.
I would much rather rely on the educated opinion of professional engineers, metallurgists etc than that of a mechanic, no matter how many licences the latter may have.
I would much rather rely on the educated opinion of professional engineers, metallurgists etc than that of a mechanic, no matter how many licences the latter may have.
You hate Qantas staff Ken we get it, but to imply engineers in discovering new cracks is an attempt to undermine Qantas is pathetic just like you.
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And a certain union officila never misses to put the boot into QF . Why? , they did train him , i remmeber him as a snotty nosed apprentice , a well balanced kid with a chip on each shoulder .
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Yes Ken, as a regular customer, who pays YOUR wages....pull ya head in.
I too run a company, but I do not run it anything like you lot do. Ohhh yeas, we run it debt free, never had a loss in any month.........
Need I say more.
I too run a company, but I do not run it anything like you lot do. Ohhh yeas, we run it debt free, never had a loss in any month.........
Need I say more.
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Scare mongering......show me an aircraft that doesn't have cracks.
Down time for one airplane is around 3-5 days for inspection, and another 10-15 days for repairs (currently done by Airbus personnel).
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You hate Qantas staff Ken we get it
Ken,
"The Company" is different to "The Management". I think you will find just about every staff member is massively supportive of "The Company". You would probably be struggling to find more than 5 % who are supportive of the current management. As has been said here many times before, management come and go, but most staff have invested more time and effort over the years in creating a great company than any blow in management.
What should the staff do? Support the destruction of their jobs and a great company? The management have proven have made wrong call after wrong call over the last 10years, and now the staff have to pay for it?
"The Company" is different to "The Management". I think you will find just about every staff member is massively supportive of "The Company". You would probably be struggling to find more than 5 % who are supportive of the current management. As has been said here many times before, management come and go, but most staff have invested more time and effort over the years in creating a great company than any blow in management.
What should the staff do? Support the destruction of their jobs and a great company? The management have proven have made wrong call after wrong call over the last 10years, and now the staff have to pay for it?
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Off Shore Inevitable
Sorry to state the obvious but all maintenance is headed offshore other than line. Flight and cabin crews, already well on the way. Look at the youngsters on the 380, no seasoned crew in sight. How do you stop the business from heading O/S? The argument proposing Asian maintenance/cabin staff/flight crew are inferior to OZ falls short when looking at Cathay Pacific, Singapore or Lufthansa.
The old days are gone, not sure what the future holds or how to embrace it.
Sad.
The old days are gone, not sure what the future holds or how to embrace it.
Sad.
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Redwine, your argument will fail when an A380 overruns an airport and bursts into flames.
The first people out the door will be those delightfully complaisant Asian cabin crew.
They are not paid to risk their lives getting the pax out, in fact their compatriots would regard them as being stupid for even trying. They are not paid enough. The company has no loyalty to them, let alone their dependents.
As for maintenance, they will do what they are paid to do, not what Airbus requires them to do. They will simply rely on diffusion of responsibility to protect them.
Meanwhile, we will continue to prosecute people for honest mistakes.
The unfortunate reality is that the entire aviation regulatory and quality control system is based on Judeo Christian principles especially the golden rule. Japan has a similar principle based upon the concept of "Face". Apart from that - nothing.
We are about to learn that again. Cirrus and Continental have been sold to China. Good luck with that.
CASA will not change until there are Three smoking holes in the ground.
The first people out the door will be those delightfully complaisant Asian cabin crew.
They are not paid to risk their lives getting the pax out, in fact their compatriots would regard them as being stupid for even trying. They are not paid enough. The company has no loyalty to them, let alone their dependents.
As for maintenance, they will do what they are paid to do, not what Airbus requires them to do. They will simply rely on diffusion of responsibility to protect them.
Meanwhile, we will continue to prosecute people for honest mistakes.
The unfortunate reality is that the entire aviation regulatory and quality control system is based on Judeo Christian principles especially the golden rule. Japan has a similar principle based upon the concept of "Face". Apart from that - nothing.
We are about to learn that again. Cirrus and Continental have been sold to China. Good luck with that.
CASA will not change until there are Three smoking holes in the ground.
Look at the youngsters on the 380, no seasoned crew in sight.
Actually untrue. A high percentage of CC on the A380 are experienced and older domestic crew on secondment for two years, having a break from 4 sector domestic ops.
There are not too many Longhaul there though.........
Sunfish.----- this is not the first time I have to correct you. Not all Asian cabin crew are "first out the door" as you say. On more than one occasion Cathay cabin crew have excelled themselves during pax evacuations. So please take your biased attitude elsewhere. In fact in around 5 evacs in the past 15 years not once did any of our cabin crew abandon ship before the pax, they did their jobs to a very high standard.
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The argument proposing Asian maintenance/cabin staff/flight crew are inferior to OZ falls short when looking at Cathay Pacific, Singapore or Lufthansa.
A manager within QF Eng made a very similar statement in front of a group of around 80 LAMES approx 1 week before the OQA engine incident. We subsequently grounded our 380 fleet immediately. Some others didn't (and guess who). What a short memory some people have. Cost cutting is usually the main reason behind people making statements such as these.
By the way, you left a few big name airlines out of your cleverly compiled list.
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Ken,
You start of by telling us "For the record"... You should have stopped there, because "for the record" nobody gives a sh#t about what you have to say.... Bye bye.
You start of by telling us "For the record"... You should have stopped there, because "for the record" nobody gives a sh#t about what you have to say.... Bye bye.
Yawn, another willy waving competition.....so here goes!
We here at CX have flight crew standards the equal of QF. We too haven't ever lost a Jet Aircraft due to flight crew error. In fact the last Jet hull loss was from a Thai bloke blowing himself and the Aircraft up over Vietnam a long long time ago. Our record, like Qf, speaks for itself day in day out all over the world with 130+ widebody Aircraft flying into places QF crews only dream about!!
So take your "QF is the best" crap and shove it!!
Rant over....
By the way, I have a lot of mates in Skippy and as an Aussie am proud of their high standards.
We here at CX have flight crew standards the equal of QF. We too haven't ever lost a Jet Aircraft due to flight crew error. In fact the last Jet hull loss was from a Thai bloke blowing himself and the Aircraft up over Vietnam a long long time ago. Our record, like Qf, speaks for itself day in day out all over the world with 130+ widebody Aircraft flying into places QF crews only dream about!!
So take your "QF is the best" crap and shove it!!
Rant over....
By the way, I have a lot of mates in Skippy and as an Aussie am proud of their high standards.