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During the senate inquiry j* stated that cadets would commence line operations with the airlines most experienced captains on Australian east coast operations.
This indicates the following:
1. J* do not have the willingness to pair the new cadets with any line captain.
2. The cadets shouldn't be checked to line if the training process is still occurring.
3. Why pair the cadet with the most experienced of captains when their own argument exists that operational experience doesn't count.
4. If it's worlds best practice cadet pilot training. Then a cadet checked to line should be capable of flying any of the airlines operation with any captain.
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This indicates the following:
1. J* do not have the willingness to pair the new cadets with any line captain.
2. The cadets shouldn't be checked to line if the training process is still occurring.
3. Why pair the cadet with the most experienced of captains when their own argument exists that operational experience doesn't count.
4. If it's worlds best practice cadet pilot training. Then a cadet checked to line should be capable of flying any of the airlines operation with any captain.
MC
Reading through the report,it becomes apparent that AIPA and to a lesser extent, VIPA were both speaking out against the pseudo cadet schemes, telling it for what it is. Can't say the same for the AFAP.
Heaven forbid the Captain gets seriously ill and it's down to 400 feet at MEL with 20 xwind gusting all over the place and then they lose power. Hows a FO still in nappies going to cope?
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By current standards of Rat/JStar execs he will perform brilliantly because an an endorsed being they HAVE to endorse them.
It will be the bosses fault for not predicting the phark up and becoming disabled.
Sad but true.
It will be the bosses fault for not predicting the phark up and becoming disabled.
Sad but true.
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The finding that flight experience has a protective effect against the risk of crash involvement is consistent with previous studies. In a case-control study conducted among commuter air carrier and air taxi pilots, Li and Baker (25) found that the risk of crash involvement decreases in a nonlinear fashion as total flight time increases. The safety benefit of total flight time is most pronounced in the early, experience building stage. When total flight time reaches a certain threshold, the marginal benefit diminishes. This nonlinear relation between flight experience and safety performance has been documented in studies involving different pilot groups and using different research designs (25, 28–30).
When data for dual-pilot operations are considered, the
captain was the pilot flying (PF) in 74 percent of those occurrences. (This is not a measure of risk because exposure data are required.);
captain was the pilot flying (PF) in 74 percent of those occurrences. (This is not a measure of risk because exposure data are required.);
(Do you think we are stupid Bruce? Honestly, what you are arguing defies all logic, empirical evidence, and the literature. Most people who have learnt any new skill realise that skill improves with practice. People are not fooled, especially the good Senator's of the committee, they can see right through you.)
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And another
Global airline accident analysis for 2008
By David Learmount
DISORIENTATION
Potential solutions advanced by the NTSB's senior human performance investigator Dr William Bramble include an education for pilots about the physiological and psychological causes of disorientation, including the fact that distractions from instrument flying are frequently a precursor to disorientation. He points out that distractions during a turn at night or in instrument meteorological conditions were common to all the disorientation cases in the accidents mentioned. Additionally, training co-pilots to intervene if required is a vital component, says Bramble. In all four of the main accidents under study the captain was the pilot flying, and timely co-pilot intervention could have prevented the accident.
Potential solutions advanced by the NTSB's senior human performance investigator Dr William Bramble include an education for pilots about the physiological and psychological causes of disorientation, including the fact that distractions from instrument flying are frequently a precursor to disorientation. He points out that distractions during a turn at night or in instrument meteorological conditions were common to all the disorientation cases in the accidents mentioned. Additionally, training co-pilots to intervene if required is a vital component, says Bramble. In all four of the main accidents under study the captain was the pilot flying, and timely co-pilot intervention could have prevented the accident.
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That's all well & good Burrito, but your highlighted bit above only goes to show that the fault lay with the more-experienced pilot (the captain).
Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that if they'd had 200-hour cadets in both seats, then clearly, the aircraft would not have got into trouble in the first place!
Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that if they'd had 200-hour cadets in both seats, then clearly, the aircraft would not have got into trouble in the first place!
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Funny...
it becomes apparent that AIPA and to a lesser extent, VIPA were both speaking out against the pseudo cadet schemes, telling it for what it is. Can't say the same for the AFAP.
The AFAP actually did something instead.
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Fort Fumble Update
Heard this afternoon that Fort Fumble has had a restructure. The Skull has hired an ex Cathay mate who is currently flying in the desert, to run Brisbane. Also Mr Polar Air, TF, has finally been assigned a portfolio to justify his existence. Also heard that a couple more safety systems inspectors have had a gutful and pulled the pin. Heard also that several unions are backing the inspectors at their request and that a fight is brewing with HR.
Interesting times ahead ??
Interesting times ahead ??
Nunc est bibendum
Perhaps Bruce would care to elaborate why Qantas mainline policy does not permit a low time cadet as an FO in mainline, whereas the policy is acceptable at Jetstar.
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The Skull has hired an ex Cathay mate
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CASA grounds Tiger Airways | Australian Aviation Magazine
So Tiger grounded today, poor pilot standards are one of the reasons. No cadets with Tiger, they are mostly GA PILOTS who are stated by CASA to have "poor standards". I don't recall CASA having to ground JQ over their "inexperienced" cadets which are "such a safety hazard to the public, an apparent race to the bottom in terms of safety"
So Tiger grounded today, poor pilot standards are one of the reasons. No cadets with Tiger, they are mostly GA PILOTS who are stated by CASA to have "poor standards". I don't recall CASA having to ground JQ over their "inexperienced" cadets which are "such a safety hazard to the public, an apparent race to the bottom in terms of safety"
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I know guys in tiger who joined with 500hrs and a self-funded a320
also guys with thousands of hrs on leave from airnz who fly for them.
Think the systemic problems being referred in lcc comes more to the culture engrained by management and their allocation of fair systems to ensure safety incidents are minimized. Such as check and training programs, fatigue, time pressures, finance pressures and systems of maintenance. Even to the number of staff and resources required to achieve a safe outcome. Unfortunately as each corner and cost is cut the reliance on excellent crew to perform the extraordinary, to meet schedules and management targets whicch are impossible.
Experience crew "may" be able to overcome these problems, as e perience can increase productivity and efficiency of the operation, but for how long. They aren't superhuman. Add to this an inexperienced crew tryingto fit into this culture such as what Jetstar an the likes are asking, and well...
Not saying this crew was either experienced or inexperienced or even ifthey were in the wrong. The fact is Casa showed a just cause for the "entire" operation and management have not done enough to, manage, mitigate, control the situation enough to prove they are safe to fly. Think this was a nail in the coffin rather than a sole ingredient in the Casa decision...
also guys with thousands of hrs on leave from airnz who fly for them.
Think the systemic problems being referred in lcc comes more to the culture engrained by management and their allocation of fair systems to ensure safety incidents are minimized. Such as check and training programs, fatigue, time pressures, finance pressures and systems of maintenance. Even to the number of staff and resources required to achieve a safe outcome. Unfortunately as each corner and cost is cut the reliance on excellent crew to perform the extraordinary, to meet schedules and management targets whicch are impossible.
Experience crew "may" be able to overcome these problems, as e perience can increase productivity and efficiency of the operation, but for how long. They aren't superhuman. Add to this an inexperienced crew tryingto fit into this culture such as what Jetstar an the likes are asking, and well...
Not saying this crew was either experienced or inexperienced or even ifthey were in the wrong. The fact is Casa showed a just cause for the "entire" operation and management have not done enough to, manage, mitigate, control the situation enough to prove they are safe to fly. Think this was a nail in the coffin rather than a sole ingredient in the Casa decision...
Blackprince,
If you think the Tiger debacle is going to make it easier for you to buy a 200 hour jet job at jetstar you may be very disappointed. I believe it will make it much more difficult for casa and management to ignore the considered recommendations of the senate enquiry and has certainly focussed the attention of the public on safety standards on low cost carriers.
If you think the Tiger debacle is going to make it easier for you to buy a 200 hour jet job at jetstar you may be very disappointed. I believe it will make it much more difficult for casa and management to ignore the considered recommendations of the senate enquiry and has certainly focussed the attention of the public on safety standards on low cost carriers.