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Old 24th Oct 2013, 20:45
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Just don't rock the boat-Ok.

Digging about for something unrelated, stumbled over an interesting power-point presentation by Ron Bartsch, as the 'horse racing' theme piqued my interest, I took five to have a skim through. It's quite well done and valid.

The premise is therefore that no longer can management feel that they can remain aloof or removed from the actions of those whom they employ, and that the latent conditions or active failures built into the culture and operating practices of the organisation are an integral component of their management responsibilities.

“Regulatory compliance should not create an additional burden on an organisation if it provides little or no safety benefit, but should rather be an outcome of a system specifically designed to support the organisation’s safety operations”. (Extract from CASA letter to Airline CEOs, June 2007).
Included were references and quotes from the Dick Smith book, Two Years in the Aviation Hall of Doom December 1984. Out of idle curiosity I took a further five to revisit Chapter 10 of the Smith missive. Between Bartsch and Smith a very ugly picture emerges which makes you wonder if anything can ever be changed. These CASA beggars have the public service mandarins so bluffed with the 'mystique' and baffled by the 'blood's on your hands' mantra that nothing short of an ICAO downgrade will make any sort of difference. I note that ICAO have just finished kicking seven bells out of the PNG CASA and are 'in the area'; perhaps Truss should spare a few moments for tea and biccy's with the ICAO crew; get a true picture and sound advice from a team that actually know what they're on about. Yep, I know, dream on - right.

“By mentioning the word "safety" whenever they believe their unfettered control is threatened, or if anyone queries their deliberate preference for granting selective dispensations instead of updating a regulation. This maintains the enormous power base of the bureaucrats concerned.” Dick Smith.
“Now there is a culture of change aversion that has effectively removed Australia from identifying and participating in improvements to air safety.” Dick Smith Ten years of Aviation Safety Neglect July 2010.
Like Dick or not, you have to admit, he does hit the odd nail or two on the head.

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Old 25th Oct 2013, 02:03
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Fort Fumble cyclic obfuscation!

Good catch "K"? Ronald (Biggs) Bartsch...isn't he the same bloke that sat on the board of Rex/PelAir? And doesn't/didn't he use, as a consultant, a certain former senior manager (now pariah) of FF who has banished himself to the halls of PNG CASA??

Oh well it is all good and the usual status quo..the more things (and personnel) change the more they stay the same (just look at Dick's missive )!

Interesting times it would seem in the halls of Fort Fumble after CW's update, not to mention the repeated wild fires being lit by the IOS arson squad. The Part 61 spotfire is spreading fast and could enter the FF hall of fame labelled as the Fantastic Fort Fumble Fried Friday Fax Fire of 2013!

Meanwhile it would appear that, in between putting out reg reform spotfires, the FF trough dwellers have got a busy couple of months coming up:

Multi-crew Pilot Licence Symposium

ICAO REGISTRATION 1

ICAO REGISTRATION 2

Hmm..question for the FF OHS office: With Montreal to Brazil and then China on the itinerary can a trough dweller legitimately travel first class to enable them to lessen the effects of jetlag??

Damn Thorny beat me to it...although the rumour is she is hanging off a little bit more than his shirt tails...reminds me of the joke about President Clinton and his new clock!

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Old 25th Oct 2013, 02:34
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Hey boat person!!, always on the lookout for a choccie frog!!
I could be wrong but the mystery "Blond" looks suspiciously like the complaints commissioner who I've heard is araldited to an angry mans shirt tails.
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Old 25th Oct 2013, 03:23
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And the Bird wins the choccy frog.

IMO at least, (unless it's Gobbledock or CasaWeary in drag). A strange working arrangement indeed should the 'mystery blonde' be the ICC. Naw, the ICC assisting with a nicely smoked and suitably mirrored 'You Tub' appearance starring McComic. Was there perhaps, a slight wiggle of the conflict of interest Gods eyebrow just then? or was it just the silken whisper of a perfumed breeze that wafted by the bunker just then and disturbed the calm repose of the sleeping giant. Who knows what goes on; movie stars eh?....(Shrug icon here)_

But I do know that it's hell to stop the kids sharing toothbrushes, I shall address the issue this evening, directly. Is how to do that in Part 61 as well or is it 145 ???......
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Old 25th Oct 2013, 06:49
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Poohtube, Skull, pony pooh and IOS

The video really was a load of pooh wasn’t it?
Highlights of this masterpiece of film making are as follows:

Mystery blonde - I think she had just been rescued from the local Pound. Mr Angry adopted the animal to be trained as one of his new FOI’s from what I heard. Plus he always likes somebody sitting at his feet that he can kick when he gets angry! Poor Hoody, I don’t know how you used to do it. Then again, perhaps it was a female consultant checking the sky sentinel system and ensuring it is working correctly? In that case she will be there until 2017 (or until the regulatory reform process is finished).

Location location – Lights, camera, pooh. As for the video location, I recognize the room. It is the board room down the corridor from Mr Angry's office. It is ironic that I sat in that office with him once, engaged in cheap tautological banter, listened to him spitting vitriol about all his Lieutenants and then sat through him recounting his days as one of the world’s finest pilots! I would have rather watched a rendition of the GWM singing ‘My Girl’ while dressed in lederhosen. Also you can’t see it but the pot plants are robust in that room as they are fed quality nutrients that are emitted from the executives on a regular basis. Combine those gases with the execs general ideas, lies and palpable bulls#it along with the generous pot plant watering budget and you have a board room that looks like an Amazon rainforest. Dark, musky, moist and drizzling………..and so are the plants. Senator Nash would be impressed.

Acting skills - Did you notice how Big John even laughed in one section at 2:39 when taking a potshot at the IOS? Now laughing is not a natural emotion for the bad shirt wearing angry man, and my sources tell me that he laughed because somebody standing behind the interviewer held up a photo-shopped picture of Dr Voodoo’s head grafted along with Terry’s tits on to the body of R. Collins! No wonder the Skull laughed, even the Bald Eagle would have chuckled at that one.

Bubbles of fun – The bubble chart at 4:00. It looked like the bathroom floor in a CASA executive’s luxury villa after they have indulged in truffles, caviar and Chateau Lafite Rothschild Pauillac at an ICAO jolly. Personally I think that someone, perhaps one of the Skulls grandkids, took a photo of the balloon stand at the Brisbane EKKA and showed it to grandpa who had a ‘light bulb moment’ and hey presto, the bubble chart! Either that or it is a picture out of a Yak electronics maintenance chart (oh dear, Yaks, maintenance, Skull, Hempel…bad combo).

Anyway I must run. I have to prepare my UAV, often I fly it outside of the CASA Brisbane office level 3 windows and film the shenanigans taking place in there. Then I will read my personal copy of ‘safety management without the pony pooh’, a robust book by author, mate of Les Wright, and Lord of CAA PNG, Robby Collins.
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Old 26th Oct 2013, 03:26
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Ahem.

Disambiguation - in Wikipedia is the process of resolving the conflicts that occur when articles about two or more different topics could have the same "natural" page title.
CW #1593 - I would have rather watched a rendition of the GWM singing ‘My Girl’ while dressed in lederhosen.....
Still cracks me up, read it several times now – big chuckle – every time; however, as the ridiculous is never far from being sublime, the Gobbledock is on my case. The question he begs answer for is "Who is wearing the aforesaid Lederhosen?" His problem is you see that there exists a smuggled only 'slightly' photo-shopped clip, alleged to feature non other than Casaweary, sitting on a barrel beating time playing the accordion (in lederhosen), a large stein of local brew on hand and a buxom blonde fräulein in attendance, (least a spillage occurs). We have carefully edited the 'vision' here to protect the identity of whoever was actually playing the accordion and his companion; just in case the secret delegation to ICAO is compromised.

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Old 26th Oct 2013, 04:52
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Oh well might as well wind this thread up if we are back to references of Gobbledock and the not so subtle references to individuals within CASA. May I suggest another read of post#1521?

Its quite clear that nothing will change despite the ATSB warning about the high number of airprox events in military airspace and that there have been 3 fatal GA accidents in as many days. I asked the question before and was underwhelmed with the response but is the current government obliged to respond to the recommendations of a Senate Inquiry held under the previous government?

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Old 26th Oct 2013, 07:42
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[I]s the current government obliged to respond to the recommendations of a Senate Inquiry held under the previous government?
No.

Nor was the previous government obliged to respond to recommendations of a Senate Inquiry held while it was the government.

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Old 26th Oct 2013, 20:25
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Sombre thoughts-indeed.

Regrettable, but spot on Creampuff. I've never paid too much mind to the antics of polly's, preferring to accept it all as just a small part of the cost, being lucky enough to live in a 'democracy'. I believe I will return to that philosophy, slightly more cynical after watching and studying the process up close, during the latest Senate inquiry. Disappointed? – no, not really, more like saddened. It's a bit rum; that even despite some transitory interest and an opportunity to affect some form of change, the whole debate is buried somewhere in Never never land, the deputy PM leaning on a shovel, watching.

What did I expect eh? Perhaps that the Prime Minister may use the wealth, expertise, executive power and resources available to institute an effective bush fire program/ system as a matter of national interest, instead of faffing about in a fire truck, getting under everyone's feet. Just about says it all really, the country is burning, people, stock, property going up in smoke; what a great photo opportunity.... That coy little act got more air time than the poor sods who were informed that they MUST complete their tax on time, or be fined; despite the paper work being somewhere in their burnt, wrecked home as part of a life they no longer have.

Aye well; expect the worst and hope for best has always been sound advice. Sandilands at Crikey is still slugging away, pity some of his peers can't, won't or are too afraid to get stuck into the real story. Hells bells, the Woman's Weekly agony column has more teeth (and makes more sense) than the mainstream press.

It is examples like this move by the NTSB that shows the difference between competent, diligent and fearlessly open disclosure of air safety problems and issues in the US today, and the rotten performance in this respect of our own air safety bodies.
One feature of the NTSB investigative process in the US which is lacking in Australia and Europe is its transparency and openness.
There is none of the disgusting collusion and suppression of embarrassing disclosures as seen between our safety investigator, the ATSB, and our safety regulator, CASA, over the 2009 Pel-Air crash, nor the spectacle of the responsible minister, which in that case was Anthony Albanese, failing to fulfil his obligations to respond the detailed remedial recommendations made concerning the Pel-Air matters by an all party and unanimous Senate inquiry.

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Old 27th Oct 2013, 23:19
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But the party is just about to start??

The pessimistic doomsayers’ maybe right and Truss, Tony & Co may have fallen under the spell of the mystique of aviation safety bollocks that Kingcrat, Skull, Beaker, the Don and the Doc hold them under . T&T may blithely ignore the house of review and IOS bleating that all is not well in the aviation camp but that doesn’t mean we all wander up to the ferry begging for an economy fare to end our misery because it is all too much . That would be way too easy and besides the fun and games is just about to start with the 44th parliament soon to sit . We’ve already put the majority of the Senate on notice so let’s give them some more ammo to fire at T&T's government. A good place to start is at the proposed upcoming Supp Estimates (18th-22nd November) and I’ve got a couple of questions already that I’d like answers for...

While trolling through the restructured DIRD (formally DoIT..worrying sign as it appears that ‘Transport’ no longer exists ) website I came across the 2012-13 Financial Year Senate Order listing. This document lists all the contracts divvied out by the Department over the last financial year, if you have a bent for figures some of this list makes for some very interesting reading, but there was an entry that particularly piqued my interest....

International Civil Aviation/ International Civil Aviation Organisation Assessment 2013 Australia/ $1,521,278
Start Date 1.01.2013/End Date31.12.2013

....call me old fashioned but 1.5 million is still a considerable sum of money in anyone’s language, especially when it is coming from the public purse. So is this a normal payment made by the dept in lieu of Australia being a signatory to ICAO?

Well if you look at the previous financial year it would seem that could be the case...2012 Calendar year Senate Order. However this is a contract list not a membership fee list and the ICAO contract of 1.5 million for each calendar year (2012&2013) is simply listed as ‘assessment’! Now I’m sure it is all above board and legit but in the interest of transparency Senators could we ask for the details of this contract and what was the outcome of this ICAO assessment??

Note: My bet is the ‘assessment’ could have something to do with the roll out of Annex 19, which is due to be officially applicable on the 14th November...but that is only a guess?? If true though I’d hate to think that we’re just buying (on our coin) a rubber stamp for annex 19...hmm it will be interesting to see what the Doc notifies as differences to the annex??

Ps There are plenty more contracts of interest in the list that deserve a certain amount of scrutiny from the Senators...
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Old 29th Oct 2013, 20:56
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On the subject of accountability...mi..mi..mi Beaker??

Beaker must have thought he could just slide this past the attention of the frog and Miss Piggy...

ATSB Annual Report 2 0 1 2 – 1 3

Forever the bean counter the ATsBeaker T.W.E.E.T says it all :
The ATSB Annual Report covers performance, accountability and financial reporting.
Follow the link and you will find this missive from mi..mi..mi..Beaker : BBARF (Beaker's Beyond all Reasonable Facts)

From the aviation section of the BBARF :
Aviation

The aviation investigation teams completed 43 complex and 99 short aviation accident and incident investigations during the past year. Several of these garnered considerable national and international interest. Key accomplishments included the completion of one of the largest and most complex investigations in our organisation’s history, the uncontained engine failure on a Qantas A380 over Batam Island, Indonesia, which occurred on 4 November 2010 (AO-2010-089); pursuing the issue of potentially dangerous fuel tanks in Robinson R44 helicopters; and spelling out the implications of the fatal accident involving an air ambulance rescue operation in the Budderoo National Park near Wollongong, NSW.

The completion of the Qantas A380 investigation is a matter of particular satisfaction. After the initial discovery of the fatigue-cracked oil feed stub pipe that led to the engine failure, we continued to work with the engine manufacturer, Rolls-Royce, to confirm how the manufacturing fault had occurred and how to revise their procedures to prevent recurrence. We also worked with Airbus and international regulators to highlight the implications of the accident for airframe certification standards. Our report, released on 29 June 2013, was the culmination of two and a half years of hard work and cooperation with other agencies, and spelled out issues with significant implications for air safety around the world.

The past year also saw the resolution of a different safety issue, one that tragically claimed several lives. We investigated three accidents in Australia involving post-accident fires in R44 helicopters. This led us to reinforce previous warnings to operators about the need to replace rigid aluminium fuel tanks by the deadline of 30 April 2013. As a consequence, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) issued an Airworthiness Directive that effectively grounded any remaining R44s that had not complied by the deadline.

Another significant accident involved an air ambulance helicopter, where paramedics were winched from the aircraft to rescue an injured canyoner. During the winching, a paramedic and the canyoner fell on to some rocks and the paramedic was fatally injured. Following the investigation, the Ambulance Service of New South Wales and the helicopter operator took safety action in respect of the operating scope applied to retrieval operations and procedures used by helicopter emergency crews. In addition, paramedics, in their role as ambulance rescue crewmen, are now required to conduct annual night winching currency training.

The release of our investigation report into the ditching of the Westwind Jet at Norfolk Island that occurred on 18 November 2009 (AO-2009-072) became a subject of the ABC’s 4 Corners program and was commented upon by other media outlets. A review of the investigation by a Senate Committee was launched late in 2012. The ATSB was required to make a number of detailed submissions, provide a great many documents and attend a number of hearings at Parliament House. The enquiry report was released on 23 May 2013. The Commission has carefully considered the report and has developed an action plan in response to matters raised in the report. The Australian Government is considering its response to the Committee.
Addendum on Senate report from page 106 of the report:
Response to Senate Inquiry


On 13 September 2012 the Senate referred the matter of aviation accident investigations to the Senate References Committee on Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport for inquiry and report. The terms of reference addressed:
  1. the findings of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau into the ditching of VH-NGA Westwind II, operated by Pel-Air Aviation Pty Ltd, in the ocean near Norfolk Island airport on 18 November 2009;
  2. the nature of, and protocols involved in, communications between agencies and directly interested parties in an aviation accident investigation and the reporting process;
  3. the mechanisms in place to ensure recommendations from aviation accident investigations are implemented in a timely manner; and
  4. any related matters.
On 23 May 2013, the committee presented its report. The committee’s report contained 26 recommendations, a number of which were directed towards the ATSB. The report included additional comments from Senator Nick Xenophon, including an extra recommendation.

Under Parliamentary convention, governments are expected to respond to committee reports within three months. However, the Caretaker Conventions stipulate that responses to outstanding parliamentary committee reports should be taken up with the incoming government.

No mention of the Canucks coming and going I notice???

And then there is the Beaker bean counter coming to the fore in the outlook for the coming year:
The ATSB has never been resourced to undertake investigations into every accident or incident that occurs. Rather, it is necessary for us to be strategic, investigating those accidents and incidents that are likely to yield safety improvements for transport operators and the travelling public.

We can expect to continue to work in a resource-constrained environment during the foreseeable future and will need to be creative in finding ways to deliver the high quality expected by the government and the Australian public. Our responsibilities have grown in the rail sector and we are also acutely conscious of the effect on our available resources of the demands of one or more complex investigations.

More than ever we will need to be selective in deciding what matters to investigate in order to achieve the greatest value and confidence for the travelling public. Under current and forecast resource limits, a time is approaching when we will have to be more constrained as to which investigations and activities we can undertake and as to the extent of those investigations we do undertake. While we will continue to take all possible steps to mitigate it, the risk that we will miss an important issue increases as our resources diminish.
Hmm...it's enough to make you BBARF...read it and weep!

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Old 29th Oct 2013, 21:26
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Oh – YUK.

Key accomplishments included the completion of one of the largest and most complex investigations in our organisation’s history, the uncontained engine failure on a Qantas A380 over Batam Island, Indonesia, which occurred on 4 November 2010
Makes it sound as if Rolls, Airbus, NTSB, Qantas, Uncle Tom Cobbly and all, just sat about wringing their collective hands, while the Beaker Boy's shone the light, lead the way and developed a cure; all by them little selves....

Then; the brass necked buggers trot out the Robinson fiasco and for the grand finale – the Norfolk sym-phoney, composed by CASA and played by Pel Air...

Any decent man would resign and slide out the back way ahead of the tar and feathers brigade after the last embarrassing fiasco; instead of publishing this sly, misleading load of old bollocks.
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Old 29th Oct 2013, 21:32
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Kharon, you got their first. Atsb has it's own version of reality. Beyond reason!

Senate estimates going to be interesting. The inquiry wasn't very kind to mr beaker.
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Willyleaks special report.

There is the official version:-

We can expect to continue to work in a resource-constrained environment during the foreseeable future and will need to be creative in finding ways to deliver the high quality expected by the government and the Australian public. Our responsibilities have grown in the rail sector and we are also acutely conscious of the effect on our available resources of the demands of one or more complex investigations.
Then, from deep within the tin bins laden with writing department drafts; Willyleaks anonymously received what some be believe to be the 'original draft'. While we are unable to verify that the document was indeed found in a tin-bin at ATSB HQ, were able to identify the writer through DNA analysis of the drool patches about the $$$ signs.

We intend to spend as little as possible while maintaining the facade of investigating air accidents. We do need to be 'creative' in order to do this successfully. This can be effectively achieved by grabbing the first available straw then massaging it as the foundation for a brief technical analysis. As very few of the general public or our political masters are capable of understanding any of the issues, we can make a considerable saving by minimising the research and maximising the creative writing initiative. We intend to focus on spending the railways budget; the boys over at CASA have a bigger budget for aviation. We can provide significant savings by continuing to work with CASA and allowing them to complete the few aviation reports we eventually finish. This proven system also avoids the need to make those nasty, expensive embarrassing safety recommendations. To achieve this end; we shall continue to comply with our agreed mandate and only use the Wodger wecommended weport writing system. Safe bonuses for all.....

Sponsor: the IOS chapter for 'A Thriving Surplus Budget'.....

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The ATSB has never been resourced to undertake investigations into every accident or incident that occurs. Rather, it is necessary for us to be strategic, investigating those accidents and incidents that are likely to yield safety improvements for transport operators and the travelling public.
Really Mr Dolan?

Here's some of the Aviation safety investigations & reports from the ATSB website:

- AO-2013-194 Wheels up landing involving a Rockwell 114, VH-AYH, Camden Airport, NSW on 27 October 2013 (Unknown type of operation according to the ATSB website - WTF??????)
- AO-2013-188 Loss of control on ground involving Air Tractor AT-502B, VH-FLH, near Deniliquin, NSW on 21 October 2013
- AO-2013-191 Wheels-up landing involving Beech Baron aircraft, VH-TLP at St. Helens aerodrome, Tas. 20 October 2013 (Private Operation)
- AO-2013-174 Collision with terrain involving Rand Robinson KR-2, VH-CTE, 14 km W Tumut Airport NSW on 5 October 2013 (Private Operation)
- AO-2013-158 Collision with terrain involving Lancair Legacy, VH-ALP at Geraldton Airport, WA on 18 September 2013 (General Aviation according to the ATSB)
- AO-2013-168 Total power loss involving a Piper PA-28-161, VH-CCQ, 9 km N of Cunnamulla Airport, QLD, 1 October 2013 (General Aviation according to the ATSB)
- AO-2013-190 Ground event involving DH-82 Tiger Moth, VH-RAY, 19 km NNE Coffs Harbour, NSW, 23 September 2013 (Private Operation)
- AO-2013-164 Total power loss involving a Piper PA-28-140, VH-RVJ, Kilcoy (ALA), Qld., 22 September 2013 (Private Operation)
- AO-2013-092 Total power loss involving a Mooney M20J, VH-NFP, at Canberra Airport, ACT, 2 June 2013 (Private Operation)

As far as I can see, the 'travelling public' wasn't involved in any of these events.


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A.R.R.T rhymes with F.A.R.T.(S)!

Seems that the IOS are not the only ones strolling through the 192 page ATsBeancounter Beaker’s spinneaucracy....but I’m a little miffed by what the article from the MMSM (Murdoch mainstream media) is actually attempting to highlight....

Australia'sair accident rate revealed in new report

...maybe SC is just trying to help us out by summarising and deciphering the Beaker spin???

Speaking of m..m..m..mandatory reporting!! And as it is that time of the year for government agencies to have completed their annual reports (31/10/13)...where oh where is Fort Fumble’s AR?? The mind boggles with all possible permutations!

Oh well..while we’re all waiting Para 377 on the Hempel thread drew my attention to a recently released 2054 page FF FOI doc (DAME’s Handbook). Now I’ve no doubt that the DAME Handbook (handbook if you’re a Giant ) is a most absorbing informative read but a read that for now I’ll put on the backburner (till tomorrow at least). However what caught my attention on FF’s disclosure log was an entry for July: f13-4067

Now this document may have been dredged up elsewhere on here (and is probably more relevant to Creamy’s Reg Reform thread) but many of the findings and recommendations of the ARRT in 2007 have a familiar theme to this and many other threads.



Here is a couple of examples:
The Taskforce agreed that the Government’s aviation agencies can learn from these specific examples and should enhance existing or implement new procedures to ensure transparency and adequate industry awareness of new initiatives. In addition, the consultation models of leading overseas aviation countries should be considered when developing a best practice model
Recommendation 4: The Government’s aviation agencies review and enhance existing consultation arrangements and implement new procedures where warranted to ensure transparency and adequate industry awareness of new initiatives.

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The Taskforce also considered the broader effectiveness of the SCC itself and took advice from Mr Graham, who has chaired the Committee since 2006. The Taskforce agreed there would be value in CASA monitoring its regulatory development processes and the use of joint CASA/industry project teams to develop regulatory policy proposals followed by more focused consultations through the SCC. The Taskforce further considered views on the role of the full SCC that meets in plenary three or four times per year.

The Taskforce considered that the regulatory development process should be the subject of on-going review and evaluation in order to make the best use of the knowledge and abilities of SCC members and enhance the interaction between the CASA/industry project teams and the SCC subcommittees and working groups. The Taskforce noted that the role of the full SCC could also be reconsidered in this light.
Recommendation 6: CASA monitor the regulation development process using joint CASA/industry project teams and continue to review the role of the SCC in this process, in order to achieve further effectiveness and efficiency gains.

Here is a finding and recommendation that is particularly relevant to a recently released ATsB report on LOS incidents and the thread ATSB Concerned over Military Control Loss of Separation Events
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Military Airspace
The Taskforce discussed an issue raised by various sectors of the aviation industry in relation to military aerodromes and civilian access to military airspace. The airspace and air traffic control service provision for civilian aircraft at Williamtown air base near Newcastle being a case in point.

The Taskforce Members agreed that this had been an issue for quite some time and the risk profile of the aerodrome was increasing, noting the matter was complex with numerous significant stakeholders. The Taskforce agreed that the matter should be raised at very senior levels with the RAAF to ensure that a solution could be agreed and implemented as soon as possible.

Given the history of this matter a solution will only be forthcoming if the respective Ministers oversee and reach agreement on a new approach. As part of these discussions, the safety of the travelling public at aerodromes such as Williamtown needs to be considered as the first priority, without limiting Regular Public Transport growth or necessarily changing the status of the aerodrome.
Recommendation 10: The Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government raise concerns about air traffic and airspace management at Williamtown and other military aerodromes with the Minister for Defence, to ensure that safe and reasonable practices are implemented to protect civilian aircraft and fare paying passengers in accordance with existing safety principles.
Well I’m sure there are others on here that can mine some other gems from this comprehensive and historical ARRT report...so fill your boots (or not)!

Q/ Wonder who (and why) FOI'd the ARRT report??

Observation: The ARRT report also makes you realise how much the previous Labor governments were totally in the wilderness when it came to actually governing. Six years of stagnation within the industry while the Minister let the bureaucracy run rampant and totally unaccounted for.

Former Labor Senator Richo sums it up best in regards to accountability..." Keep political power where the buck stops: with the elected minister "...

Richo:
One of the hallmarks of pretty well all of those ministers was their capacity for overruling departmental advice. The minister is the elected person, with the end result of all decision-making resting with them. The buck should stop with the minister.

On many occasions I rejected the advice I received from my various departments. I recall writing "rubbish" or "nonsense" on the tops of pages sent to me. A good minister should not abrogate the responsibility of office. If a minister simply chooses to tick the box on every piece of advice received then there has been a power shift to unelected, unseen and indeed faceless people. Bureaucrats are not elected. Their job is to advise the minister and they will sometimes get things wrong. A minister should not feel constrained in treating that advice.
Sage advice...so Trusster take heed mate and perhaps refer to the ARRT report after taking advice from the Kingcrat??

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Fort Fumble 200pg AR slides in the back door!

Warning short post coming while I reach for a bucket..

Well FF have finally put out their spin fest for 2012-13 and if you can get past page one without feeling sick you're doing better than me :
Goal 1:Comprehensive,consistent and effective regulation to enhance aviationsafety

CASA achieved 84 per cent of the measures against this goal, anda further 16 per cent are progressing with managed delays.

CASA enhanced aviation safety through comprehensive, consistentand effective regulation by:
+implementing the certificate management team structure and theintroduction of a new CASA Surveillance Manual in all regional offices
+using a new fast-time simulation tool to support futureAustralian airspace modelling
+completing the first phase of transition to new maintenanceregulations by regular public transport operators and associated maintenanceorganisations and the completion of the maintenance personnel licensing suiteof regulations.
See pages 34 to 44 for detailed information outlininginitiatives, measures and progress against this goal.

Goal 2: Good governance andcontinuous improvement of organisational efficiency

With 78 per cent of the measures against this goal achieved, and19 per cent progressing with managed delays, CASA exercised good governance andcontinuous improvement by:
+completing the final stage of the organisation’s learningmanagement system with the introduction of Aviation Worx (see page 115).
+introducing new fraud and ethics, records management, workplacehealth and safety, and equity and diversity e-learning modules for completionby all new staff
+achieving an 8.9 out of 10 rating in the Comcover riskmanagement benchmarking survey.
See pages 45 to 52 for detailed information outlininginitiatives, measures and progress against this goal.

Goal 3: Effectiveand appropriate relationships with the wider aviation community

CASA has achieved 97 per cent of the measures against the goalof effective and appropriate relationships with the wider aviation communitythrough:
+enhancing CASA’s suite of user-friendly applications andinteractive multimedia products, with the introduction of a YouTube channel anda project to increase use of tablet technology
+continued participation in International Civil AviationOrganization panels and study groups
+increasing international engagement, including memorandums ofunderstanding signed with China and Singapore.
See pages 52 to 60 for detailed information outlininginitiatives, measures and progress against this goal.
Ahhh...bollocks! No comment..

ps Page 102-103 (if you must) deals with External Scrutiny i.e. those pesky Senators, Coroners etc.

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Now, the infamous soft white paper was at least useful and would burn nicely. But this new shiny stuff is of no practical value whatsoever. When it was published I thought, Oh ho, here's a bit of fun, there has got to be some howlers within which can be strung together, for the amusement of the fellahin, the hoi polloi and the IOS. Nope – sorry: by page 14 I was slightly nauseous; at page 15 reaching for a bucket and I lost my lunch at the end of page 16. After a short recovery I gamely cherry picked between pages 77 and 102, but alas, the feeling of nausea and ennui returned. Hence the search for a more practical application.

The ATSB report was at least bearable and worthy of some attention; the ATSB troops will try to wright the ship and will, with qualified leadership revert to a world class safety authority. But, if Truss swallows any of the CASA rubbish, his advisors need to be fired or handed over to the AFP for perpetrating serious fraud. Never has a printed document revealed the absolute hopelessness of attempting to recover an expensive department to a point where it can be useful. The bare faced deception now published at great expense, the complicity of those who wrote it and the perfect arrogant contempt for government, industry and the taxpayer beggars belief (or reinforces it). Gods help the next DAS who turns up with less than a SWAT team, and a bus load of new faces, to start again.

CJ# 247 –"But of great humour was the CASA spin, the performance measures (complete load of poo) and the 'delays being managed' including percentages, oh my god, you have to be kidding us right?"
CJ # 247 –"If they consider Certificate Management Teams and the completion of the 12 year re-write of the crap SPM to be a success then our industry is in worse shape than even the most diehard critic realizes. (my bold).
Someone should tell the senior Truss, caveat emptor, very very heavy emphasis on caveat. Guilty by association is still on the statutes.
Wiki - Caveat emptor is Latin for "Let the buyer beware" (from caveat, "may he beware", the subjunctive of cavere, "to beware" + emptor, "buyer").
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Sarcs # 1604 "However what caught my attention on FF’s disclosure log was an entry for July: f13-4067
Now this document may have been dredged up elsewhere on here (and is probably more relevant to Creamy’s Reg Reform thread) but many of the findings and recommendations of the ARRT in 2007 have a familiar theme to this and many other threads.

When I first read the quote, it was of passing interest; but it may be the catch of the year. Something is going on; had a beer with P7 on Saturday (I.O.U.) he mentioned some of his crew had telephone calls from the Commonwealth Ombudsman's office, seeking permission to release documents under FOI. While the stuff wasn't 'ancient' history, it was not 'fresh'. As Al Capone said, once is circumstance, twice is happenstance, three times is enemy action. I wonder what's going on???. Someone is digging deep. Insert Kelpie::: endit......

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Often come up away (indeed mostly) from Charon's posts (and his/her coterie) bemused, bewildered and mystified. I think of his/her posts as s Churchill said in another context: "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma".

But, just when I thought this unintelligible series of in-jokes and code-words could get no worse......to see on these pages one of the said coterie quoting Richardson as some guide to Ministerial probity was a new low (or high if we're looking at the farce levels". An absolute joke.

You may have valid points.....even by accident some of what you're saying could be right....but PULEEEEZE, get real both on both readability and believability so the rest of us can see what you're on about. Might even end up a supporter!!
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Drift - with moderator indulgence.

It really is very, very simple Algie; just don't read my twiddles, if they offend thee so much. But, if you must, then read everyone's posts on the page. Then, you will see that the current topic is the CASA report; recently published, read by and commented on by those with an intelligent interest of how aviation is managed.

Despite your endless, tedious, easily ignored personal attacks, achieving nothing apart from making you appear slightly fatuous, you could use that energy, actually do the reading and contribute to the topic. As for your support; well, there must be a place somewhere on your planet where the sun don't shine; apply therein.

Churchill’s potent spirit of perseverance and determination is best summed up in one of his own maxims: “We must just KBO.” The initials stood for “Keep Buggering On.”8 Churchill understood the dangers of defeatism and poor morale as a soldier and leader, so he set the example needed to inspire others around him… and he kept “buggering on.”

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