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I've got many mates in QF, and in fact one of them was on the flight deck of QF32, but if being part of that organisation means.....
..... they would set about learning the Qantas way of doing things, a distillation of more than 80 years of experience, and 50-plus years of flying heavy jets around the world.
which restlts in an attidude that suggests.....
.... One captain commented that a first officer is ''there for two reasons: one is to prepare for his own command, but by far the most important is to make sure I do everything correctly when the **** hits the fan''.
...then my decision to join another major carrier for my career seems like a better decision overall. The word "I" should never appear in any communications to do with teamwork. An appaling statement within an otherwise well constructed argument.
..... they would set about learning the Qantas way of doing things, a distillation of more than 80 years of experience, and 50-plus years of flying heavy jets around the world.
which restlts in an attidude that suggests.....
.... One captain commented that a first officer is ''there for two reasons: one is to prepare for his own command, but by far the most important is to make sure I do everything correctly when the **** hits the fan''.
...then my decision to join another major carrier for my career seems like a better decision overall. The word "I" should never appear in any communications to do with teamwork. An appaling statement within an otherwise well constructed argument.
Agree, very well written.
I was reading this yesterday and one line really stood out at me....
Is this the best boss in Australia?
Who would have thought that treating your staff well would increase productivity for the company? That Clive is a genious!
I was reading this yesterday and one line really stood out at me....
Is this the best boss in Australia?
THEY are a happy bunch at Clive Palmer's Yabulu nickel refinery near Townsville. Certainly happier than they were when BHP Billiton owned the operation and rumours of its closure surfaced on a regular basis.
Mr Palmer acquired the then loss-making operation 16 months ago and has turned it around. Productivity has gone through the roof with the help of widespread pay rises for the 800-strong workforce.
Mr Palmer acquired the then loss-making operation 16 months ago and has turned it around. Productivity has gone through the roof with the help of widespread pay rises for the 800-strong workforce.
Who would have thought that treating your staff well would increase productivity for the company? That Clive is a genious!
Well done that man
This also is not just for the guys in the game now, but the ones like myself wanting to go down this career path. I see my future going down the drain with this sh!t and it has to stop.
This also is not just for the guys in the game now, but the ones like myself wanting to go down this career path. I see my future going down the drain with this sh!t and it has to stop.
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That is a well written unemotional article.
How many of your non aviation. Friends and relatives would have read it?
Can I suggest that if every person on here sent this article to all their friends and associates, maybe asking them to forward it in, we are doing the job of the media and ensuring all people have to option of educating themselves about the current aviation situation. Copy/paste/send to address book.
How many of your non aviation. Friends and relatives would have read it?
Can I suggest that if every person on here sent this article to all their friends and associates, maybe asking them to forward it in, we are doing the job of the media and ensuring all people have to option of educating themselves about the current aviation situation. Copy/paste/send to address book.
Senate Inquiry update:
I agree that is a very good article and may I suggest that it doesn't just reflect the situation at Jet* either!!!
Seems the inquiry won't be presented in the Senate till March next year (see link below)!? Does this mean they were bombarded with submissions or has the whole inquiry been put in the too hard basket??
Does anyone know if they are still having the public hearing in Sydney on December 1st, and when will they publish more of the submissions?
At the request of Senator...: 17 Nov 2010: Senate debates (OpenAustralia.org)
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Seems the inquiry won't be presented in the Senate till March next year (see link below)!? Does this mean they were bombarded with submissions or has the whole inquiry been put in the too hard basket??
Does anyone know if they are still having the public hearing in Sydney on December 1st, and when will they publish more of the submissions?
At the request of Senator...: 17 Nov 2010: Senate debates (OpenAustralia.org)
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More Submissions published , including AIPA , VIPA , AFAP , QF JQ , Virgin , Cobham and more.
44 now in total.
Senate Submissions
44 now in total.
Senate Submissions
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Good Start
I hope it keeps rolling and actually addresses the issues. Well done all who put their 2 bobs worth in. But can you beat the spin and political agenda with honesty and concern for the 'game'. I hope so.
The CASA submission is a hoot.
The ATSB is tragic. Resources for 70 investigations against 8300 odd acknowledged 'safety issues'. Thats got to be worth a Royal Commission. Stand alone. All the safety spin in the world and not a feather to fly with.
I tend to agree with Sunny, where on earth are we headed.
The CASA submission is a hoot.
The ATSB is tragic. Resources for 70 investigations against 8300 odd acknowledged 'safety issues'. Thats got to be worth a Royal Commission. Stand alone. All the safety spin in the world and not a feather to fly with.
I tend to agree with Sunny, where on earth are we headed.
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....and surely when some employee finally has the balls to coherently, intelligently and rationally explain the current state of the industry and gets the sack for doing so - this too is worthy of assessment by any senate inquiry.
What a rotten industry this has become.
What a rotten industry this has become.
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A full Senate beats a press gallery
.Quote - (AER) - and surely when some employee finally has the balls to coherently, intelligently and rationally explain the current state of the industry and gets the sack for doing so - this too is worthy of assessment by any senate inquiry.
This is only one reason why it it was so important to support this inquiry. Just once, without being isolated you could have your say with a modicum of protection. I hope there are a lot more submissions piled up, The 'big' end of town' know how to play these games and they are good at them.
Carpe Diem boys, big time.
This is only one reason why it it was so important to support this inquiry. Just once, without being isolated you could have your say with a modicum of protection. I hope there are a lot more submissions piled up, The 'big' end of town' know how to play these games and they are good at them.
Carpe Diem boys, big time.
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The ATSB is tragic. Resources for 70 investigations against 8300 odd acknowledged 'safety issues'. Thats got to be worth a Royal Commission. Stand alone. All the safety spin in the world and not a feather to fly with.
The ATSB are getting stretched wider than Lady Gaga on tour !
Australia severely lacks the financial resources and levels of manpower needed to safely, adequately and professionally oversight aviation across all levels, as well as investigate. Mitigation strategy I hear ? This, $$$$$$$$$$$.
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Is it this bad?
This makes me feel sick.
Senate inquiry: Australian airlines abandon exceptional excellence in pilot training – Plane Talking
There is something truly alarming about the major airline submissions to the impending Senate inquiry into pilot training and airline safety standards instigated by South Australian independent senator, Nick Xenophon.
None of them invoke (or revive) the concept of exceptional excellence in piloting in Australian carriers.
They endorse the notion that if an airline can meet the minimum requirements set for pilot competency in training outcomes in Australia they are adopting world’s best practice.
Senate inquiry: Australian airlines abandon exceptional excellence in pilot training – Plane Talking
There is something truly alarming about the major airline submissions to the impending Senate inquiry into pilot training and airline safety standards instigated by South Australian independent senator, Nick Xenophon.
None of them invoke (or revive) the concept of exceptional excellence in piloting in Australian carriers.
They endorse the notion that if an airline can meet the minimum requirements set for pilot competency in training outcomes in Australia they are adopting world’s best practice.
Inexperienced pilots in control seats of high performance jets
Picked up by The Age newspaper this morning (most viewed article so far):
Air India Express | Panicky pilot caused passenger jet plunge
It really worries me that there junior pilots in these airlines who rely so much on automatic systems, and have insufficient background nor confidence to disconnect, take over, recover and fly the damn aeroplane. The cockpit gradient between Captain and First Officer experience is a real problem.
The Senate Enquiry are still receiving submissions and will continue to do so as long as they come in, regardless off any cutoff date.
First hearing is tomorrow!
Air India Express | Panicky pilot caused passenger jet plunge
It really worries me that there junior pilots in these airlines who rely so much on automatic systems, and have insufficient background nor confidence to disconnect, take over, recover and fly the damn aeroplane. The cockpit gradient between Captain and First Officer experience is a real problem.
The Senate Enquiry are still receiving submissions and will continue to do so as long as they come in, regardless off any cutoff date.
First hearing is tomorrow!
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First hearing is tomorrow!
SYDNEY: State Room, Mercure Sydney Airport Hotel, 12.30pm - 3.00pm
The first cab off the rank is AIPA, with Joe Eakins as one of the speakers,next T*ger then R*X.
So is anyone turning up to show support?
The first cab off the rank is AIPA, with Joe Eakins as one of the speakers,next T*ger then R*X.
So is anyone turning up to show support?
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The airlines are in the driving seat when it comes to pilot training requirements. They provide the market, hence dictate the quality of the product. The airlines provide 94% (?) of CASA's and AsA's operating funds in a climate where the customer is always right. CASA can't get an updated set of regulations published. There's no need. The airlines don't need them and GA makes up such a miniscule economic input to CASA's coffers that to work on updating regs seems like throwing a huge capital expense at an area that has little economic return. Two private entities run the entire industry.
Wasted writing...I know, but IMO, the demand for quality pilots has to be encouraged. To this extent, ditch many of the RPT regs limiting route operations to specific companies and open the skies to effective competition. But first CASA needs to get the regs in order.
Wasted writing...I know, but IMO, the demand for quality pilots has to be encouraged. To this extent, ditch many of the RPT regs limiting route operations to specific companies and open the skies to effective competition. But first CASA needs to get the regs in order.
Transcripts will be published here: Parliament of Australia: Senate: Committees: Rural Affairs and Transport Committee: Inquiry into Pilot training and airline safety including consideration of the Transport Safety Investigation Amendment (Incident Reports) Bill 2010: Public hearings a
There is sometimes a lag between the hearing and the publication, depending on how busy Hansard is. Also, if the Committee hears evidence in camera, transcripts of that evidence may not be published.
By the way, vision and audio of hearings in Canberra are usually broadcast live, here (and sometimes audio is available for hearings outside Canberra, although there doesn’t appear to be anything scheduled for 1 Dec yet) : Parliament of Australia: Live Broadcasting
There is sometimes a lag between the hearing and the publication, depending on how busy Hansard is. Also, if the Committee hears evidence in camera, transcripts of that evidence may not be published.
By the way, vision and audio of hearings in Canberra are usually broadcast live, here (and sometimes audio is available for hearings outside Canberra, although there doesn’t appear to be anything scheduled for 1 Dec yet) : Parliament of Australia: Live Broadcasting
Also, if the Committee hears evidence in camera
