Nick Xenophon - The most important person in the future of Australian Aviation
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Thanks 4Dogs, I shall go have a read when I get a chance...
I have no real quarrel with the ATSB in their investigative and research abilities.
Perhaps my real frustration with them (and my dealings with them when they were BASI) is that they have no teeth.
I wish they were more than a paper tiger and had the power to require change of the regulator and the industry when so required by safety imperatives.
Maybe I should put something along those lines in my submission to the Senate Inquiry.
PG
I have no real quarrel with the ATSB in their investigative and research abilities.
Perhaps my real frustration with them (and my dealings with them when they were BASI) is that they have no teeth.
I wish they were more than a paper tiger and had the power to require change of the regulator and the industry when so required by safety imperatives.
Maybe I should put something along those lines in my submission to the Senate Inquiry.
PG
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Get Your Submissions In (+ remind your mates!)
We have less than 2 weeks to get our submissions in to the Senate Inquiry.
Challenge your mates and the guys/gals you fly with...ask them if they have submitted something...and if not, why the f@#k NOT!!!
PG
Challenge your mates and the guys/gals you fly with...ask them if they have submitted something...and if not, why the f@#k NOT!!!
PG
Nunc est bibendum
If the contributions on PPRUNE are an example of the abilities of some pilots to construct an argument and then express it coherently then there are some pilots whom we should be encouraging to stay silent. 
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Time to open the can of worms
I think the Senator may want to examine the dealings of the regulator if he has the balls. Go and read the Strategic thread for an example of capture, corruption and disgraceful activity on the behalf of the australian government regulator. Time for someone to unleash the beast on this misaligned out of control australian government department.
Disgusting and immoral and untouchable it seems.
Disgusting and immoral and untouchable it seems.
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Dear Senator Xenophon,
While you are participating with the senate enquiry could you please call up senior CASA managers both past and present and ask these individuals the following questions;
1 . Does CASA agree that at numerous and continuous times throughout its life it has deliberately and purposefully harassed, intimidated, punished and destroyed individuals reputations and livelihoods within the aviation sector out of spite, incompetence, ego stroking and sheer stupidity ? Does CASA agree that when these issues are raised they are covered up, manipulated, glossed over and hidden by none other than Human Resource executive managers?
2. Does CASA agree that it has been lead at the most senior levels both previously and presently by management who have a background based upon intimidation, segregation, harassment, bullying and general anti social behavior with an attitude of contempt, disregard and borderline criminal towards industry and staff?
3. Does CASA agree that it has allowed serving staff take unpaid leave and work for AOC holders creating a conflict of interest, with full knowledge and approval of senior management including HR? Recently when the AOC audit of Strategic Airlines was conducted why did the CASA Brisbane Field Office Manager agree to the two assigned audit FOI’s to go yachting with the Strategic CEO the weekend after the audit finished on a Friday? This being one case of MANY. Can CASA explain why it hires back staff who resign as consultants paying them triple the money to perform the same role they undertook weeks or months before? Can CASA’s Human Resources executive justify these actions and explain why many of these consultancy tasks are not advertised or tendered, rather just given to mates at very handsome rates ? Are these the actions of an organization that is being lead by competent, trustworthy management in full control or by a conglomerate of proud conceited bigots whose morals and ethics know no bounds? Is this acceptable to the Australian public, the taxpayer forking out for this act of arrogance?
4. Can CASA explain why taxpayer funds are needed to pay for the remuneration of a Director, Assistant Director, Associate Director and a board made up of bureaucrats that when combined together do not have the ability to achieve the purchase the morning paper ?
5. Can CASA explain why they recently were a hairs width away from receiving a downgraded safety category in part due to cost cutting measures in reducing staff numbers in areas such as training and development which is actually a requirement for ‘the state’ under ICAO annexes ? Why do those decision makers, Human Resources management remain employed, giving themselves self promotion and huge salary increases? Why were some of those decision makers not people from an aviation background but again from CASA’s Human Resources department?
6. Why has CASA as a government department in the past 12 months received an alarmingly huge amount of staff harassment actions racked against managers, had a jump in union membership by 23% due to a systematic campaign of bullying, harassment, intimidation and victimization by senior managers at the executive management level and above, particularly again within Human Resources ? Why do these same people boast about not having to answer to the Director, Minister of even the public, and also boast that they are above the law?
7. Why did CASA have a working group called ASOP who were allowed to commence 34 projects over a period of 3 years, yet not one project was completed, all at the taxpayer’s expense and no accountability taken by senior management, particularly the now acting Director?
8. Why has CASA learned nothing from ‘Lockhart River’ and in fact developed a systemic internal system void of any solid leadership, technically skilled inspectors, a complete breakdown of workable processes and until 8 weeks ago did not have a structured quality training program for inspectorate staff until hearing that the FAA and ICAO were going to tear through the place again this month? Can CASA explain why they are solely a reactive organization rather than an oversight body that should act predicatively to prevent accidents happening? Can the Director explain why he is unable to make a sound decision on any matter without the permission of the Human Resources executive manager who boasts continually about how he and his staff run the place as they see fit and are proud of this fact and proud of how the Director has his balls held between the Minister and the HR managers hands?
9. Can CASA explain it told a senate enquiry two years ago that it has a system in place to train inspectors (did not commence until 8 weeks ago), and that it has undergone cost cutting exercises to remove the amount of inspectors, remove flying and certification for aircraft type from inspectors so as to save money, again actioned by the Human Resources executive manager and now assistant Director? Where is the accountability? Can CASA explain why its senior managers remain in those roles when they have multiple litigation issues pending against them internally and externally due to abysmal intimadatory behavior?
10. Can CASA explain why its workforce have been secretly discussing the putting in of a motion of no confidence in the Director, Assistant Director and Human Resources executive manager who have been campaigning against past and present staff, sullying these staff members reputations and destroying individuals careers all while representing an Australian government department and Australian interests ? Is this acceptable to the citizens of Australia?
11. Is it feasible that the Director of CASA be known as a bully, tyrant, and an integral part of the Cathay Pacific Star Chamber prior to employment with CASA, who harassed, bullied and sacked innocent staff? Is it acceptable that the Deputy Director be promoted to that role while under investigation for his actions of bullying, intimidation and manner involving a certain Western Australia operator?
As you can see Senator, if you scratch the surface of this sore be prepared to encounter a malignant underlying festation. Are you prepared to go the whole way Senator Xenophon? Are you prepared to dig deep into the bowels of this misaligned bunch of misfits whose tentacles spread far and wide? Are you really prepared to call up the persecuted staff past and present, the persecuted aviators who have been harassed, bankrupted and destroyed by an organization which holds no accountability? Pilot hours are only a small issue that the senate should address. There is much much more pus that needs to be lanced from this out of control Gestapo organization. Executive management deliberately and wilfuully turningg its back on public service laws, government laws and raccountability requirements, ritualistic abuse of staff and industry.Time for the Australian government to stop protecting this malignant organization and accept that it has a basket case on its hands and agree to clean house. Mr. Albanese you have a lot to answer for.I would suggest to all of you out there reading about these issues become one force regardless of age, gender or background. Fight to get rid of this empire of incompetence because the system is failing you as individuals, and failing your loved ones every time their aircrafts wheels leave the ground due to a bunch of overpaid animals bulging with greed and ego and the need to self protect their own interests rather than serve and protect the travelling public.
While you are participating with the senate enquiry could you please call up senior CASA managers both past and present and ask these individuals the following questions;
1 . Does CASA agree that at numerous and continuous times throughout its life it has deliberately and purposefully harassed, intimidated, punished and destroyed individuals reputations and livelihoods within the aviation sector out of spite, incompetence, ego stroking and sheer stupidity ? Does CASA agree that when these issues are raised they are covered up, manipulated, glossed over and hidden by none other than Human Resource executive managers?
2. Does CASA agree that it has been lead at the most senior levels both previously and presently by management who have a background based upon intimidation, segregation, harassment, bullying and general anti social behavior with an attitude of contempt, disregard and borderline criminal towards industry and staff?
3. Does CASA agree that it has allowed serving staff take unpaid leave and work for AOC holders creating a conflict of interest, with full knowledge and approval of senior management including HR? Recently when the AOC audit of Strategic Airlines was conducted why did the CASA Brisbane Field Office Manager agree to the two assigned audit FOI’s to go yachting with the Strategic CEO the weekend after the audit finished on a Friday? This being one case of MANY. Can CASA explain why it hires back staff who resign as consultants paying them triple the money to perform the same role they undertook weeks or months before? Can CASA’s Human Resources executive justify these actions and explain why many of these consultancy tasks are not advertised or tendered, rather just given to mates at very handsome rates ? Are these the actions of an organization that is being lead by competent, trustworthy management in full control or by a conglomerate of proud conceited bigots whose morals and ethics know no bounds? Is this acceptable to the Australian public, the taxpayer forking out for this act of arrogance?
4. Can CASA explain why taxpayer funds are needed to pay for the remuneration of a Director, Assistant Director, Associate Director and a board made up of bureaucrats that when combined together do not have the ability to achieve the purchase the morning paper ?
5. Can CASA explain why they recently were a hairs width away from receiving a downgraded safety category in part due to cost cutting measures in reducing staff numbers in areas such as training and development which is actually a requirement for ‘the state’ under ICAO annexes ? Why do those decision makers, Human Resources management remain employed, giving themselves self promotion and huge salary increases? Why were some of those decision makers not people from an aviation background but again from CASA’s Human Resources department?
6. Why has CASA as a government department in the past 12 months received an alarmingly huge amount of staff harassment actions racked against managers, had a jump in union membership by 23% due to a systematic campaign of bullying, harassment, intimidation and victimization by senior managers at the executive management level and above, particularly again within Human Resources ? Why do these same people boast about not having to answer to the Director, Minister of even the public, and also boast that they are above the law?
7. Why did CASA have a working group called ASOP who were allowed to commence 34 projects over a period of 3 years, yet not one project was completed, all at the taxpayer’s expense and no accountability taken by senior management, particularly the now acting Director?
8. Why has CASA learned nothing from ‘Lockhart River’ and in fact developed a systemic internal system void of any solid leadership, technically skilled inspectors, a complete breakdown of workable processes and until 8 weeks ago did not have a structured quality training program for inspectorate staff until hearing that the FAA and ICAO were going to tear through the place again this month? Can CASA explain why they are solely a reactive organization rather than an oversight body that should act predicatively to prevent accidents happening? Can the Director explain why he is unable to make a sound decision on any matter without the permission of the Human Resources executive manager who boasts continually about how he and his staff run the place as they see fit and are proud of this fact and proud of how the Director has his balls held between the Minister and the HR managers hands?
9. Can CASA explain it told a senate enquiry two years ago that it has a system in place to train inspectors (did not commence until 8 weeks ago), and that it has undergone cost cutting exercises to remove the amount of inspectors, remove flying and certification for aircraft type from inspectors so as to save money, again actioned by the Human Resources executive manager and now assistant Director? Where is the accountability? Can CASA explain why its senior managers remain in those roles when they have multiple litigation issues pending against them internally and externally due to abysmal intimadatory behavior?
10. Can CASA explain why its workforce have been secretly discussing the putting in of a motion of no confidence in the Director, Assistant Director and Human Resources executive manager who have been campaigning against past and present staff, sullying these staff members reputations and destroying individuals careers all while representing an Australian government department and Australian interests ? Is this acceptable to the citizens of Australia?
11. Is it feasible that the Director of CASA be known as a bully, tyrant, and an integral part of the Cathay Pacific Star Chamber prior to employment with CASA, who harassed, bullied and sacked innocent staff? Is it acceptable that the Deputy Director be promoted to that role while under investigation for his actions of bullying, intimidation and manner involving a certain Western Australia operator?
As you can see Senator, if you scratch the surface of this sore be prepared to encounter a malignant underlying festation. Are you prepared to go the whole way Senator Xenophon? Are you prepared to dig deep into the bowels of this misaligned bunch of misfits whose tentacles spread far and wide? Are you really prepared to call up the persecuted staff past and present, the persecuted aviators who have been harassed, bankrupted and destroyed by an organization which holds no accountability? Pilot hours are only a small issue that the senate should address. There is much much more pus that needs to be lanced from this out of control Gestapo organization. Executive management deliberately and wilfuully turningg its back on public service laws, government laws and raccountability requirements, ritualistic abuse of staff and industry.Time for the Australian government to stop protecting this malignant organization and accept that it has a basket case on its hands and agree to clean house. Mr. Albanese you have a lot to answer for.I would suggest to all of you out there reading about these issues become one force regardless of age, gender or background. Fight to get rid of this empire of incompetence because the system is failing you as individuals, and failing your loved ones every time their aircrafts wheels leave the ground due to a bunch of overpaid animals bulging with greed and ego and the need to self protect their own interests rather than serve and protect the travelling public.
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The ATSB is still, in many ways, the model investigator and is world leading in its approach to accident and incident investigation. The NTSB is still into pilot error and single accident causes,
Years ago in the old Aviation Safety Digest days, the editor of that august journal was permitted to use his discretion and opine that the pilot did not use good airmanship where an obvious pilot stuff up caused the crash.
At least in those long gone times there was no pussy-footing around and plain English language was used. Now we see politically correct bureacratic weasel words with the prime aim to avoid under all conditions using anything which could be construed as the dreaded pilot error words. And then often we are none the wiser on what or who was responsible for the crash.
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I see Sandilands has published large chunks of the AIPA submission. Looks like a brawl coming on. Gets stuck into Gen Y wannabees and Gen Y managers.
The safety risks of pilot P-platers and new style airline managers raised in Senate – Plane Talking
The safety risks of pilot P-platers and new style airline managers raised in Senate – Plane Talking
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I don't dispute anything CASAweary says.
I truly hope, however, that there is sufficient evidence to prove all those assertions, AND,
that they are all fully presented to the Senate Inquiry in an analytical and objective manner. It would be a terrible shame if the facts got lost in an overly emotive submission.
PG
PS. IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO...GET YOUR SUBMISSIONS IN ASAP!!!
I truly hope, however, that there is sufficient evidence to prove all those assertions, AND,
that they are all fully presented to the Senate Inquiry in an analytical and objective manner. It would be a terrible shame if the facts got lost in an overly emotive submission.
PG
PS. IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO...GET YOUR SUBMISSIONS IN ASAP!!!
Only 10 submissions published on the Senate website, and that includes ones not available as they are Confidential.
They have the power to accept late submissions so I urge you to send them in this week if you are still thinking about it.
They have the power to accept late submissions so I urge you to send them in this week if you are still thinking about it.
The sky over the Senate goes dark with circling airline executives and angry pilots – Plane Talking
The sky over the Senate goes dark with circling airline executives and angry pilots
October 29, 2010 – 6:08 pm, by Ben Sandilands
A Senate inquiry into airline flight crew training and standards in Australia has turned into a last ditch stand by ‘the old Qantas’ culture of life time highly experienced company pilots against ‘the new’ Jetstar culture of low experience short term piloting ‘solutions’.
The Qantas Group had already completed a major and detailed rebuttal of the submission lodged by the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA), which is the main union for Qantas and Jetstar pilots, in time for Thursday’s original deadline for lodgement with the Rural Affairs and Transport Committee, and that deadline has since been extended to allow for additional submissions at large.
A spokesperson for Tiger Airways said this afternoon that it would also engage with the inquiry and co-operate in every way. It remains unclear whether the Virgin Group will participate, however what is clear is that a significant discussion about pilot training, pilot experience and pilot safety issues is likely to occur during the inquiry instigated by independent SA senator, Nick Xenophon.
The AIPA document, published last night by Plane Talking, goes to the heart of its long standing claims that Qantas, through its low cost subsidiary Jetstar, is disconnecting itself from the high piloting standards of the past in the pursuit of younger inexperienced ‘generation Y’ pilots, who will bend to a cost cutting culture that has lower respect for rules or standards, and thus imperils the level of safety that travellers expect from Australian carriers.
It is a given that the Qantas submission will strongly contest AIPA’s claims, literally line by line where it sees it as necessary.
The opposed management and union submissions may well inflame the generational ‘cultural’ gap that is evident in the flying game between the expectations and commitments of younger and older pilots.
However the Qantas case will be tested by the recent US decision to outlaw the hiring of low flight time pilots with the same levels of inexperience as that which is tolerated by current Australian regulations and which forms a key part of the Jetstar and Tiger low cost business model.
If pilot inexperience is now illegal in new hirings in US airlines yet legal in Australian carriers, who is right and who is wrong? What makes a substantially simulator and theory trained pilot with 200 hours flying experience safe to fly an Australian jet, but unsafe to fly an American jet?
The pilot union argument is that hands on real world flying experience is the difference, and that the low cost route to sourcing less experienced pilots is a recipe for a disaster.
The AIPA submission, as already reported earlier in Plane Talking, is full of unpleasant disclosures for air travellers, including its pointing out that current junior pilot hirings in Australia can count time flying gliders as part of their experience, and that new style managements are instructing pilots to keep their hands off manual flying, and rely on modern automated flight systems for all but a matter of minutes in flights lasting hours.
The not so subtle sub text of the AIPA case is that ‘modern’ airline managements despise the legacy of highly experienced pilots on high pay, and have unduly outsourced the tick-the-box simulator dominated training courses for young low pay recruits to third party providers who are allegedly compromised by their commercial relationships with the carriers.
It also argues that as Australian regulations do not define the experience levels required for promotion to captain, a dangerous situation is arising where low time captains and even lower flight time first officers are being put together in the cockpit of jet airliners lacking the hands on experience to deal with unexpected situations brought about by systems failures or severe weather conditions or other abnormal circumstances.
The pilot submission concludes with its arguments in support of a private members bill, also introduced by Senator Xenophon, which would impose criminal sanctions on airlines or staff that evade their responsibilities to report safety incidents or use ‘cultural pressure’ to silence pilots concerned about safety related issues.
This goes directly to claims that latter day high cost and low cost carrier cultures encourage pilots to work around rather than to the rules, something that has in recent years lead to such bizarre incidents as a British Airways 747 flying right across the US and North Atlantic on only three engines, or a REX turbo prop flying most of the way from Wagga Wagga to Sydney on only one engine, a gamble that the ATSB not only ignored, but offered excuses for on behalf of the airline.
If the AIPA claims are correct, this is the best and last chance Australia has of reversing unsafe developments in airline piloting standards that will lead to a major disaster for an Australian airline.
The sky over the Senate goes dark with circling airline executives and angry pilots
October 29, 2010 – 6:08 pm, by Ben Sandilands
A Senate inquiry into airline flight crew training and standards in Australia has turned into a last ditch stand by ‘the old Qantas’ culture of life time highly experienced company pilots against ‘the new’ Jetstar culture of low experience short term piloting ‘solutions’.
The Qantas Group had already completed a major and detailed rebuttal of the submission lodged by the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA), which is the main union for Qantas and Jetstar pilots, in time for Thursday’s original deadline for lodgement with the Rural Affairs and Transport Committee, and that deadline has since been extended to allow for additional submissions at large.
A spokesperson for Tiger Airways said this afternoon that it would also engage with the inquiry and co-operate in every way. It remains unclear whether the Virgin Group will participate, however what is clear is that a significant discussion about pilot training, pilot experience and pilot safety issues is likely to occur during the inquiry instigated by independent SA senator, Nick Xenophon.
The AIPA document, published last night by Plane Talking, goes to the heart of its long standing claims that Qantas, through its low cost subsidiary Jetstar, is disconnecting itself from the high piloting standards of the past in the pursuit of younger inexperienced ‘generation Y’ pilots, who will bend to a cost cutting culture that has lower respect for rules or standards, and thus imperils the level of safety that travellers expect from Australian carriers.
It is a given that the Qantas submission will strongly contest AIPA’s claims, literally line by line where it sees it as necessary.
The opposed management and union submissions may well inflame the generational ‘cultural’ gap that is evident in the flying game between the expectations and commitments of younger and older pilots.
However the Qantas case will be tested by the recent US decision to outlaw the hiring of low flight time pilots with the same levels of inexperience as that which is tolerated by current Australian regulations and which forms a key part of the Jetstar and Tiger low cost business model.
If pilot inexperience is now illegal in new hirings in US airlines yet legal in Australian carriers, who is right and who is wrong? What makes a substantially simulator and theory trained pilot with 200 hours flying experience safe to fly an Australian jet, but unsafe to fly an American jet?
The pilot union argument is that hands on real world flying experience is the difference, and that the low cost route to sourcing less experienced pilots is a recipe for a disaster.
The AIPA submission, as already reported earlier in Plane Talking, is full of unpleasant disclosures for air travellers, including its pointing out that current junior pilot hirings in Australia can count time flying gliders as part of their experience, and that new style managements are instructing pilots to keep their hands off manual flying, and rely on modern automated flight systems for all but a matter of minutes in flights lasting hours.
The not so subtle sub text of the AIPA case is that ‘modern’ airline managements despise the legacy of highly experienced pilots on high pay, and have unduly outsourced the tick-the-box simulator dominated training courses for young low pay recruits to third party providers who are allegedly compromised by their commercial relationships with the carriers.
It also argues that as Australian regulations do not define the experience levels required for promotion to captain, a dangerous situation is arising where low time captains and even lower flight time first officers are being put together in the cockpit of jet airliners lacking the hands on experience to deal with unexpected situations brought about by systems failures or severe weather conditions or other abnormal circumstances.
The pilot submission concludes with its arguments in support of a private members bill, also introduced by Senator Xenophon, which would impose criminal sanctions on airlines or staff that evade their responsibilities to report safety incidents or use ‘cultural pressure’ to silence pilots concerned about safety related issues.
This goes directly to claims that latter day high cost and low cost carrier cultures encourage pilots to work around rather than to the rules, something that has in recent years lead to such bizarre incidents as a British Airways 747 flying right across the US and North Atlantic on only three engines, or a REX turbo prop flying most of the way from Wagga Wagga to Sydney on only one engine, a gamble that the ATSB not only ignored, but offered excuses for on behalf of the airline.
If the AIPA claims are correct, this is the best and last chance Australia has of reversing unsafe developments in airline piloting standards that will lead to a major disaster for an Australian airline.
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Total crap.
Just read my union's submission to the Senate Enquiry.
No wonder we're going nowhere. Total rubbish.
Can anyone tell me if you can get MBF loss of licence insurance or an equivalent thats not connected to a union. I'm giving my money to people that are undermining our industry.
Its no wonder most professions pay more than pilots with morons like this at the helm.
No wonder they didn't encourage members to submit anything.
Weak and corrupt.
No wonder we're going nowhere. Total rubbish.
Can anyone tell me if you can get MBF loss of licence insurance or an equivalent thats not connected to a union. I'm giving my money to people that are undermining our industry.
Its no wonder most professions pay more than pilots with morons like this at the helm.
No wonder they didn't encourage members to submit anything.
Weak and corrupt.
Would that be the AFAP Mr Hat?
And was it the AIPA submission I was reading that recommended 700 hrs min experience for a pilot flying RPT? I personally still don't think that is quite enough, but hey I would take it. Beats 200hrs.
And was it the AIPA submission I was reading that recommended 700 hrs min experience for a pilot flying RPT? I personally still don't think that is quite enough, but hey I would take it. Beats 200hrs.
All I got out of that submission is how bad Gen Y is and that they cant be trusted in the cockpit of a modern airliner! What absolute utter rubbish. If that is the best AIPA can come up with, then no wonder their members are leaving in droves.
I thought this was about TRAINING and STANDARDS in the industry not Gen Y bashing. FFS
I thought this was about TRAINING and STANDARDS in the industry not Gen Y bashing. FFS
Yeah, I agree that tarnishing a whole generation with the same brush is a stupid tactic any day of the week.
And when it boils down to it... the airline personnel responsible for the shafting of today's pilots are from gen what? Not gen Y that's for sure.
And when it boils down to it... the airline personnel responsible for the shafting of today's pilots are from gen what? Not gen Y that's for sure.
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Sorry, but the submission, despite the painful tarnishing of Gen' Y is pretty much right on the money. I'm dealing with a F/O now that hasn't been on time for the hotel van all week and would not know if he's getting ripped off at Jiffy Lube when he gets his oil changed on his car. Totally disengaged from reality.
Other captains have been seeing a lot of this lately, but this is the worst!
I'm not in Australia right now, but this is a worldwide problem with this age group.
It's about time this was addressed!
Other captains have been seeing a lot of this lately, but this is the worst!
I'm not in Australia right now, but this is a worldwide problem with this age group.
It's about time this was addressed!
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Sorry, but the submission, despite the painful tarnishing of Gen' Y is pretty much right on the money. I'm dealing with a F/O now that hasn't been on time for the hotel van all week and would not know if he's getting ripped off at Jiffy Lube when he gets his oil changed on his car. Totally disengaged from reality.
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Patience Boy,
We are actually the highest paid for our description of work anywhere in the world right now. Honestly, it was a very frustrating week. Some of the said generation are friends of mine that share stories of their kids, are great to have a beer with, will push you to work out hard in the gym' and know that CRM does not stand for "Mutiny on The Bounty".
The ones that are best to work with typically come from flying families or had a very rural upbringing, do things like work on their own homes, engage the local community on their days off coaching a child's sports team...that kind of thing. One thing that seems to be missing from recruiting in a time of computer analysis and human resources psychology is a skill that I can only call, "mechanical aptitude", the cause and effect of each action. Some of the kids just don't have it and if they were raised on the fourth floor of an apartment building in a broken family where they never went outside, how will they ever get it?
The perception with the new generation may have grown out of being sold a bill of goods by the flying schools and universities when many of them went into debt to get a "degree" to fly a Cessna and then realized it didn't mean much but an empty wallet.
I agree with the Senate report submitted by AIPA. We live in a McDonalds Society now...one where much of the new generation expects instant gratification and promotion to captain in 45 seconds with an order of fries, or their money back!
We are actually the highest paid for our description of work anywhere in the world right now. Honestly, it was a very frustrating week. Some of the said generation are friends of mine that share stories of their kids, are great to have a beer with, will push you to work out hard in the gym' and know that CRM does not stand for "Mutiny on The Bounty".
The ones that are best to work with typically come from flying families or had a very rural upbringing, do things like work on their own homes, engage the local community on their days off coaching a child's sports team...that kind of thing. One thing that seems to be missing from recruiting in a time of computer analysis and human resources psychology is a skill that I can only call, "mechanical aptitude", the cause and effect of each action. Some of the kids just don't have it and if they were raised on the fourth floor of an apartment building in a broken family where they never went outside, how will they ever get it?
The perception with the new generation may have grown out of being sold a bill of goods by the flying schools and universities when many of them went into debt to get a "degree" to fly a Cessna and then realized it didn't mean much but an empty wallet.
I agree with the Senate report submitted by AIPA. We live in a McDonalds Society now...one where much of the new generation expects instant gratification and promotion to captain in 45 seconds with an order of fries, or their money back!
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As the title in the first thread says:
Nick Xenophon - The most important person in the future of Australian Aviation.
Today again this was the case. He has demonstrated time and time again the willingness to look at the fine detail of what is going on.
Mark my words the outcome of this will affect everyone of us.
Have you contributed?
Nick Xenophon - The most important person in the future of Australian Aviation.
Today again this was the case. He has demonstrated time and time again the willingness to look at the fine detail of what is going on.
Mark my words the outcome of this will affect everyone of us.
Have you contributed?
