QF and JQ B787s to be flown by new startup company
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If pilots want to get out of the desert, that is understandable.
Is there any point leaving Dubai for Singapore or Saigon?? Then factor in the wages and conditions.
If they leave for an Australian based position then it will be at the bottom of the list.
Unless a new entity is created in Australia to crew these aircraft. The only reason QF would do this is to cut wages.
Do you want to be the next group of undercutters?
And what will you be willing to accept?
Maybe a change of career would be more fruitful.
Is there any point leaving Dubai for Singapore or Saigon?? Then factor in the wages and conditions.
If they leave for an Australian based position then it will be at the bottom of the list.
Unless a new entity is created in Australia to crew these aircraft. The only reason QF would do this is to cut wages.
Do you want to be the next group of undercutters?
And what will you be willing to accept?
Maybe a change of career would be more fruitful.
Sorry Fourgolds, just stating an observation.
The three posters above have indicated why there will probably be no mass-exodus.
Personally, l couldn't give a rats ar$e. There won't be a slot for me as l am not interested in going back to Oz to fret my career away again. And certainly not interested in exchanging this foreign dump for another one.
halas
The three posters above have indicated why there will probably be no mass-exodus.
Personally, l couldn't give a rats ar$e. There won't be a slot for me as l am not interested in going back to Oz to fret my career away again. And certainly not interested in exchanging this foreign dump for another one.
halas
I dont think the first lot of DECs were warmly welcomed, around half have resigned the rest are stuck in Darwin for a very long time and also face the prospect of going back to the right seat.
The ex-Emirates DECs are about to get sent to CNS for the rest of their tenure.
Good luck joining at the bottom.
The ex-Emirates DECs are about to get sent to CNS for the rest of their tenure.
Good luck joining at the bottom.
The CP DID NOT say that the 787 would be flown by EBA pilots under the terms of the 2008 EBA, he said that EBA pilots would have the opportunity to fly the 787 - as in take LWOP and transfer to the new Jetstar entity on what ever that contract may be.
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Well here you go, from the goose himself.
The first aircraft is due to be delivered to Jetstar in mid-2012.
"It doesn't drive any thinking on the 787s. The guys that will fly the 787s will be the guys flying our wide-bodied aircraft today," Mr Buchanan said, adding that they would be employed on the same contracts as they are today.
"It doesn't drive any thinking on the 787s. The guys that will fly the 787s will be the guys flying our wide-bodied aircraft today," Mr Buchanan said, adding that they would be employed on the same contracts as they are today.
Well here you go, from the goose himself.
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The first aircraft is due to be delivered to Jetstar in mid-2012.
"It doesn't drive any thinking on the 787s. The guys that will fly the 787s will be the guys flying our wide-bodied aircraft today," Mr Buchanan said, adding that they would be employed on the same contracts as they are today.
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The first aircraft is due to be delivered to Jetstar in mid-2012.
"It doesn't drive any thinking on the 787s. The guys that will fly the 787s will be the guys flying our wide-bodied aircraft today," Mr Buchanan said, adding that they would be employed on the same contracts as they are today.
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Watch this space soon for a new OZ airline flying overseas on A340s and A330s then 777LR later on! Will be a sensational airline to work for!
Dont worry all -- PAX aren't stupid.
We won't fly airlines who are hood winking us.
If we choose Qantas then we will choose Qantas.
If Qantas continue to fly us with aircraft and pilots operated/maintained by lower standards then we will choose other airlines based on service and price.
If Qantas has no credible product to offer then we will go elsewhere and get better for less.
The QF FF program thereafter fades to obscurity. It's one of the last reasons I stay hanging on.
God knows they have little else to keep my business other than my reluctance to change. My staff could care less.
Simple.
We won't fly airlines who are hood winking us.
If we choose Qantas then we will choose Qantas.
If Qantas continue to fly us with aircraft and pilots operated/maintained by lower standards then we will choose other airlines based on service and price.
If Qantas has no credible product to offer then we will go elsewhere and get better for less.
The QF FF program thereafter fades to obscurity. It's one of the last reasons I stay hanging on.
God knows they have little else to keep my business other than my reluctance to change. My staff could care less.
Simple.
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"There is a looming global pilot shortage the likes of which the industry has never seen".
Mate, if you believe that will translate into better T&C's for pilots, you'd believe in the tooth fairy.
I posted further up that I heard that line in the mid 70's when I took my first lesson, and every year since, and I'm surprised that supposedly intelligent people are still falling for it.
The greatest potential desperate shortage I've seen was in 1989 (please don't take this as a prompt to start the war all over again) and even that was a fizzer. There were plenty of pilots to fill the jobs.
Mate, if you believe that will translate into better T&C's for pilots, you'd believe in the tooth fairy.
I posted further up that I heard that line in the mid 70's when I took my first lesson, and every year since, and I'm surprised that supposedly intelligent people are still falling for it.
The greatest potential desperate shortage I've seen was in 1989 (please don't take this as a prompt to start the war all over again) and even that was a fizzer. There were plenty of pilots to fill the jobs.
The greatest potential desperate shortage I've seen was in 1989 ........... There were plenty of pilots to fill the jobs.
You are correct that there were sufficient "suitably qualified" (that point is debatable) Pilots willing to fill positions for a price.
That price was significantly higher paypackets.
