QF and JQ B787s to be flown by new startup company
 

Hi All,

Apparently JQ staff were informed today that this is the plan at present.

All the more reason to show up on the 23rd!

No pilot currently (or henceforth) employed in Australia is immune to this threat that management is wielding against our conditions!

The rot must stop!!!

start up company....AOC the whole nine yards?:eek: and what about ETOPS with a new a/c and new AOC holder.............

this will be entertaining........:8

This is news?

The B787 was never going to be flown by present Jetstar pilots!

I have mates overseas who will be given the positions with Jetstar to fly the 787.
They have done interviews and accepted the positions!

As for Qantas guys. Will they shoot themselves in the foot? More than likely!

AOC and ETOPS .... No worries at all! Those being difficult to attain is a thing of the past.

JQ Intl had 180 minutes right from the start. CASA don't really care about our industrial squabbles.

I think the aim is to do to us (QF/JQ pilots) what they did with cabin crew (QCCA, QCCD, Team Jetstar).

We can only hope that their divide and conqur mentality has finally pushed us all to unite!

Start up company with ETOPS (EDTO) with a new aircraft type on a new AOC. Not impossible. V Australia did just this a couple of years ago.

B777-300ER is not exactly a new a/c type. So V Oz had a head start there.

The B787 will undergo ETOPS approval by the FAA and JAA as part of the certification process and will enter service ETOPS approved. As was the B777 some 15 years ago. No big deal!

Don't worry many an EK 777 guys ready and willing guess some CX and not too mention the Koreon guys had enough of the contract job. They can just go onto another contract outfit albeit for an exciting airline :eek: the white rat.

There has been readings from the shisha smoke already of this enterprise. When the EK pilots are doing 92+ hrs lots looking for exit plan, many have buckets full and its not the cash bucket :ok:

AFAIK, The triple comes with ETOPS 'out of the box'

The 787 was never going to the JQ EBA. Those who came back early from well paid jobs overseas on promises from old mates must be feeling pretty good about it.

Is there a scope clause in any of the QF mainline EBA's? If not, they'll be lucky to get one in now.

Surprise, surprise. NOT!
This was ALWAYS going to happen :ugh:

Qantas and Jetstar pilots, get on the phone/email/text/smoke signal to your mates at VB and Tiger and lets meet up on the 23rd at Wooli Creek in SYD.

Time for our profession to work together, pool resources to protect our jobs.

woftam, correct. The modus operandi of the "Qantas Group" & potentially the "Virgin Group" is to generate as many possible subdivisions, with the smallest number of employee's as possible. Implicit in this strategy, is an acknowledgement of the the raw potential power of the pilot group, as a whole
The fact that pilots have been singled out, is no accident. This is the chink in managements logic.
However it needs everyone to see this how this potential is dissipated through the infinite division by the managers, to the great enrichment of these same managers.
As I have said before, the responsibility's for the outcome is in our own hands, as a pilot group, regardless of what is painted on the tail.

As per discussion on the Sticky thread there are sentiments on this thread that I find disturbing if not inevitable.

Examples: "Surprise, surprise. NOT! This was ALWAYS going to happen, This is news? The B787 was never going to be flown by present Jetstar pilots! As for Qantas guys. Will they shoot themselves in the foot? More than likely. I have mates overseas who will be given the positions with Jetstar to fly the 787. They have done interviews and accepted the positions"

So once again we have armchair experts all claiming to have been privvy to this alleged further attack on Professional Aussie Pilot jobs and sneering at the rest of us mere peasants who weren't in the know. Moreover there are images of hoardes of 'mates' overseas who have clandestinely already been interviewed and recruited (without anybody else knowing) for the 787 and will stealthily slip in and take your slots on the shiny new silver jet before you get a chance to. Panic, panic, panic.

Scaremongering and fear.

What better way to undermine any traces of pilot unity than to start a scare campaign with the sole intention of frightening you into persisting with the crap terms and conditions (or even eroding them further) than you currently 'enjoy'.

There is a looming global pilot shortage the likes of which the industry has never seen. Before the GFC airlines couldn't get decent pilots; they weren't there. JQ, even with the gift of ex-AN pilots had to drop their onerous interview requirements and now it's worse. Worldwide there are massive airframe orders and there has been steady pilot attrition with insufficient replacement.

So what better way to keep you supressed than to fill you with fear? Alleged this and alleged that. Masses of Asians coming to fly your planes (only this Asian isn't because JQ don't pay properly) and new companies to bypass you altogether. If I were a manager perhaps I'd try the same thing - but can't you see what the real agenda is? Fear is a powerful managerial tool.

I have no doubt the likes of JQ will attempt everything they can up to the limits of legality to undermine you guys but for crying out loud don't be swerved by the PR techniques they are deftly employing to engender fear. They know pilots are a fractured and divided lot and that many of us would kill grandma to boost our own egos and be seen flying the latest shiny jet!

The 787 is just another aeroplane, plastic fuselage and subsonic. Big deal. Don't let yourselves be swerved from the very real need to for a coherent and united group - a group with the strength to fight the real threats and dexterously manage the perceived threats.

What ALR said...:ok:

From the current Qantas FF newsletter

New 787 Dreamliners

Qantas has announced it will receive the first of 50 Boeing 787s in mid 2012, brought forward by around two years. Jetstar will operate the Group's first 15 B787s configured for its low fare international operations.


Flying into the Future

Qantas has selected the Boeing 787 as the cornerstone of its domestic and international fleet renewal program. Under the fleet plan, the Qantas Group will acquire up to 100 Boeing 787 aircraft. The first 50 Boeing 787 Dreamliners are expected to be delivered in mid-2012.

Enoughs enough
 

ALR the only way for this to be stopped before it goes right out of control is a as you say a united front.

An AIPAAFAPVIPA merger (in my dreams also) presenting to the politicians and getting into the mainstream media.

If its not stopped now it will get right out of control in a short time space.

QF and AIPA begin negotiations over the next Longhaul EBA, rumours start about a "start-up company".

Surely not a coincidence?

And now Qrewroom down too? It's all a big conspiracy I tell ya! :}

EBA time. Guaranteed FUD campaign. :suspect:

Afap/aipa/vipa
 

Current AIPA President and current AIPA Secretary torpedoed a closer working relationsship between AFAP and AIPA back in 2007 . . . what chance now? Changed their tune maybe? I hope so . . . I can take hypocrisy but not stupidity.