Emirates Sydney Engineers

[kiwi engineer12]

I was told the SIAEC guys only come over for 1-2 months at a time, the main reason they started being support of the V Aus operation, but now are needed for all the other operators.

[Exit Strategy]

When will the Government (FWA, Immigration, ATO etc) get onto the issue of airlines using employees in Australia that are employed offshore to avoid the company concerned having to abide by laws and taxes that they don't want to deal with.

This issue applies to Engineers, Cabin Crew and Pilots.

[QF22]

Shorterm/longterm Wotever

They do send LAEs down to Oz on 1,2 n 3 mth postings. But they also have imported lots of LaEs permanently.
Most use it as a stepping stone, and move on asap bcoz of the lousey conditions.
The latest batch of LAEs and AMEs will be coming for one year, and the rest.

[QF94]

CX now has the largest engineering department after QF in SYD.

Won't be long before they are the biggest engineering department in SYD. Afterall, QF helped all the other organisations in SYD by giving away the contracts they had that were making money.

Maybe EK went to the same school of "management" as QF (How do you get into a small business? Start off in a big one).

[division1]

maybe the guy who destroyed qf line maint is now working for emirates.

[QF22]

Centre Of Excellence

Nah He's Back At Nsw Rail Creating Another Centre Of Excellence ! ! !

[Bellcrank 74]

Emirates engineers

Any idea if AMSA have taken on any of these guys???

[listentome]

Apparantely AMSA cant hire the EK boys due to Fair Work Australia regulations, unless they pay them the same pay and conditions as they are on with EK. I think its called the transfer business rule or something like that. It prevents companies taking contracts by undercutting then hiring back the staff on cheaper wages etc. A real loophole that stops crappy cheap companies undermining Australian workers conditions. Good stuff

[Gas Bags]

I have heard that AMSA changed hands in recent years. Does anyone know who the current owners of the business are?

GB

[600ft-lb]

AMSA is owned by SIAEC these days and have been for a while. Not that it really means anything because I believe they lost the contract in the past to look after their parents aircraft. But they have 'won' a contract to do Emirates, how they go about doing that contract within the law of this country remains to be seen. Perhaps SIAEC are playing the game as they would in the Phillipines or Vietnam without realizing we're not a 3rd world country and have standards to live up to ?

[Gas Bags]

Reading this thread it appears that AMSA is owned by SIAEC and offers lower T's and C's than Emirates did.

Emirates have given the ground handling contract to AMSA, and are closing their Australian bases (or at least some of them). The EK staff affected have been offered positions in Dubai.

If the EK staff do not wish to relocate to the ME have they been offered redundancy instead?

AMSA are importing SIAEC staff based out of Singapore to service the contract with EK.

Have AMSA advertised in Australia for staff to service the EK contract? (If they have, AMSA T's and C's must be terrible if no-one local is interested in them).

I agree with Seldomfixit, a contribution by the ALAEA Fed Sec would be great as he would have a much clearer understanding of the situation, assuming the guys at EK are members of his.

GB

[Capt Roo]

AMSA's T&Cs are about 30% less than what the guys got earlier. So most of them will bite the bullet and probably relocate to the sandpit.

From a mate who has mates who work for EK - definitley true!

[727ace]

Melbourne EK engineering is next to go

[Oakape]

The engineer I spoke to in Sydney said that the Dubai job offer came with only 1/4 of the pay he was currently on.

If that is accurate, I don't see too many relocating. Particularly when you factor in the cost of the move & the cost of living in Dubai.

[empire4]

whilst I feel very sorry for the guys losing their jobs, we all know the pay that a LAE gets paid with types in UAE. I find it hard to believe that it would be 1/4 the pay. The only thing that comes to mind is that these 'engineers' aren't licenced but are considered technicians by EK. In any case, i hope they get another job. We need to actively stop companies such as AMSA erroding the conditions for aussie engineers. it is terrible to see this happen.

[another superlame]

I believe AMSA has already stuffed up EKs 777 turn arounds. Great decision by EK management. Can't wait to see EK falter when they give the whole box and dice to the cheapest bidder.

Sometimes you just need to pay for quality. I don't know AMSA is able to deliver that with a crew of low paid low moraled staff working with no back up or equipment, let alone consummables.

Now that most of the ex Qf staff have left AMSA they will have to start paying for those little extras.

[Tom Sawyer]

It appears that AMSA may have got the TG contract as well.....3 flights a day, 7 days a week. That one or possibly two A340 LAMEs they have got is going to be busy................or maybe there is a charter flight on it's way from SIN with more 457's as I haven't seen anything advertised in the usual places.
Think most of the EK guys are getting themselves sorted as well.
As for the B777 spoiler fault that caused the 3.5 hour delay (20min fix if you know what your doing)......get what ya pay for.

[opalops]

Does the ALAEA know about the importing of Engineers from SIN on these special Visa"s

[tech-line]

These type of operations will only succeed if people accept the poor terms and conditions they offer. It can't be cheap on AMSA to keep importing people form else where?
How many locals do they have working for them?
I had an interview a few years back with them and I couldn't help but smile at them at the package that they offered!!!
At the time your local GA operator was paying more!
Why would I give up a good life style and pay and excellent employer to come and work for you was my question?
If as engineers we keep taking it then like our friendly pilots we too will see our T&C going down the creek and us saying years ago we had...........
I have worked far too hard and sacraficed so much I am one who will not accept how these "contracting" companies want to treat us.
I feel very sorry for the EK guys I hope they find work soon.

[Ngineer]

I am quite sure there will be plenty of job opportunities for holders of 457 visa's here. It's just a shame to see so many Australian job opportunities going to these people because companies do not want to invest in training/employment, and using the excuse that there is a lack of suitably qualified personnel.
It has been happening in Australia for a while now, even in QF through outsourcing.
Best of luck to the Emirates guys who are going through a pretty stressfull period.