Jetstar pilot EBA dead
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Leadsled,
You clearly either fly for either Qantaslink or Rex as you are having a little gripe about some little South Africans coming to take our Aussie citizen jobs. They came across more than 2 years ago if I'm not mistaken when the pilot shortage was rife in Australia because of the likes of Jetstar and VB sucking them dry of their pilot stocks.
Virgin and JS only hire pilots with Permanent Residence so therefore a 457 visa does not cut it with them, maybe you should have a look at the website sometime.
So maybe this is the only thing you have to whine about or you are completely behind the drag curve as to why it went down in that manner.
Thankfully airlines like Cathay and Emirates don't have the same mindset like you have so clearly displayed, otherwise us Aussies would never have the opportunity to fly for them as so many of us already do.
You clearly either fly for either Qantaslink or Rex as you are having a little gripe about some little South Africans coming to take our Aussie citizen jobs. They came across more than 2 years ago if I'm not mistaken when the pilot shortage was rife in Australia because of the likes of Jetstar and VB sucking them dry of their pilot stocks.
Virgin and JS only hire pilots with Permanent Residence so therefore a 457 visa does not cut it with them, maybe you should have a look at the website sometime.
So maybe this is the only thing you have to whine about or you are completely behind the drag curve as to why it went down in that manner.
Thankfully airlines like Cathay and Emirates don't have the same mindset like you have so clearly displayed, otherwise us Aussies would never have the opportunity to fly for them as so many of us already do.
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Virgin and JS only hire pilots with Permanent Residence
......and how do you get North Korean citenzenship and type ratings for the IL-62 and TU-205?
Let me see if I've got this right, Jetstar offer 15 pilots employment on "C" scale T & C's then, when they have resigned their previous jobs, BB uses the skills he acquired at BCG and cancels their employment, offers them "E" scale conditions which they will probably accept because they are now out of a job, have a mortgage, wife & kids to feed etc. This then establishes the new ultra low standard of T & C's which all future applicants will be obliged to accept if they want employment.
It sucks big time but I recall all the existing J* pilots being warned about this at the time the airline was being started but "tall poppy syndrome", "pen1s envy" and many other psychological conditions got in the way of their comprehending the long term consequences of their actions. I personally communicated with the then leader of the JPC to warn him of the consequences but I encountered a brick wall.
The only action that can have any effect is for the J* pilots to join the same union in overwhelming numbers (AIPA is the obvious one because of their industrial capability) and then fight these changes using every legal means available.
It sucks big time but I recall all the existing J* pilots being warned about this at the time the airline was being started but "tall poppy syndrome", "pen1s envy" and many other psychological conditions got in the way of their comprehending the long term consequences of their actions. I personally communicated with the then leader of the JPC to warn him of the consequences but I encountered a brick wall.
The only action that can have any effect is for the J* pilots to join the same union in overwhelming numbers (AIPA is the obvious one because of their industrial capability) and then fight these changes using every legal means available.
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Exactly right.
Impulse.... we will operate those A320 A/C on our current conditions etc... Oh you are getting A330... we can operate those for this much..... now all you have are others doing the same and whilst you have become bogged down by all the "factions there.
Dont blame the management for starting another "clean sheet"........... AKA V AUS.
Impulse.... we will operate those A320 A/C on our current conditions etc... Oh you are getting A330... we can operate those for this much..... now all you have are others doing the same and whilst you have become bogged down by all the "factions there.
Dont blame the management for starting another "clean sheet"........... AKA V AUS.
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Yep Impulse started it back in the 1900 days. Back then you paid for your endorsement and had to buy a share in the crewing company whom you worked for and buying the share made you are shareholder and you were paid as a shareholder. No extra pay for overnights etc and when the captains asked for a payrise, they took it from the FO's pay, so any new FO's started on $6000 less than current FO's and the crewing company justified to the new FO's by sayng they would all have commands in 6 months!
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like lil blueberry I'm waiting on a start date. This has thrown a spanner in the works as I'm already working for a great company. But what I don't understand is that at my current company nothing can get changed in our agreement unless all parties agree to it i.e. management and the pilots. So how can the current jet* oz pilot lose their conditions or why would they want to agree to lesser conditions for new recruits?
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about 10 posts have been submitted since I submitted mine haha...
So the real issue here is that the majority of jet* pilots aren't part of a union. So whatever management says goes...?
So the real issue here is that the majority of jet* pilots aren't part of a union. So whatever management says goes...?
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Locknut, to share what I know: contrary to what you said, the majority of pilots at Jetstar are in fact with AIPA.
The reason that little can be done is because there is no EBA negotiating period open at this time and so there is no option to take "protected industrial action" without being charged with offenses in relation to the industrial relations legislation.
Before anyone says that J* guys should simply "work to rule" if it can be determined that pilots are working to rule then they can be charged and if it cannot then the company would not know nor therefore care and you are simply left with a bunch of bitter and twisted pilots throwing on a bit too much fuel for Mum and the kids at the expense of the environment without the company being any the wiser.
I wish I could propose a solution that was in fact effective, but the only real solution is to vote with your feet, if your happy with your current job, stay there. If you get into J* don't be surprised to see a short Irish man running around the oval with a set of goal posts that he can no longer get to stand up straight.
The reason that little can be done is because there is no EBA negotiating period open at this time and so there is no option to take "protected industrial action" without being charged with offenses in relation to the industrial relations legislation.
Before anyone says that J* guys should simply "work to rule" if it can be determined that pilots are working to rule then they can be charged and if it cannot then the company would not know nor therefore care and you are simply left with a bunch of bitter and twisted pilots throwing on a bit too much fuel for Mum and the kids at the expense of the environment without the company being any the wiser.
I wish I could propose a solution that was in fact effective, but the only real solution is to vote with your feet, if your happy with your current job, stay there. If you get into J* don't be surprised to see a short Irish man running around the oval with a set of goal posts that he can no longer get to stand up straight.
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There are many ways to make a leech company like Jetstar start to take their pilots seriously without taking industrial action. All in the name of safety. Why not decide collectively that you consider it safer to never accept intersection departures or to never land with a tailwind component. Use your imaginations.
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The 08 EBA is set in concrete until it expires and therefore individual contracts (AWAs) offered to newly hired Oz pilots is illegal under the FWA. If management are trying to undercut local pilots by basing overseas pilots in Oz covered by another foreign contract then this is also illegal and the workplace ombudsman (as well as the media) would love to get a hold of this. This is got to be a wind up or ... On ya J*
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how bout the next time a complex MEL comes up refuse to take it, or a snag that perhaps might be able to be carried to next port, snag it. Or that FA who is carrying on being a bit crook, maybe you fail to talk her into continuing. Or when ATC offers you a high level you say no thanks and request a lower one. Get to work exactly on time and take you time to get the thing airborne. When OTP suffers and theyre not handing out the galaxies, maybe, just maybe someone will take notice.
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Pilots have little public sympathy. The profession is still percieved to be underworked and overpaid.
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It has got to that point for some individuals. However, if it is ever found to be an organised or collective effort it could easily be deemed to be illegal unprotected action.
Dodgy
It has got to that point for some individuals. However, if it is ever found to be an organised or collective effort it could easily be deemed to be illegal unprotected action.
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Any truth in the story that JQ pilots have been blackmailing Jetstar for extra money outside their EBA when asked if they would like to work on a day OFF??
Anyone viewed a letter supposedly addressed to their CEO by a disgruntled FO?? Anyone care to share a copy for wider comment??
Perhaps there are problems in both JQ pilot and management camps??
Regardless of who did what at JQ, the time has arrived to dust off the resume (especially First Officers).
Anyone viewed a letter supposedly addressed to their CEO by a disgruntled FO?? Anyone care to share a copy for wider comment??
Perhaps there are problems in both JQ pilot and management camps??
Regardless of who did what at JQ, the time has arrived to dust off the resume (especially First Officers).