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DJ738.....would you just humour me a little and qualify your comment about PB's Australia to anywhere in the Pacific comment subsidising VB?
How does that work? I'm curious because my understanding is that VB's Australian operation props up PB and VA for that matter....I think thats the truth. How about we find some factual figures and see what PB contributes to VB's profit each year? 9/10ths of stuff all I would expect......
How does that work? I'm curious because my understanding is that VB's Australian operation props up PB and VA for that matter....I think thats the truth. How about we find some factual figures and see what PB contributes to VB's profit each year? 9/10ths of stuff all I would expect......
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B772,
Nothing worthwhile.Just more 'excess baggage' hanging around accomplishing nothing. He has since popped up at 'Strategic' in a Ground Operations Management role.
Swift has also officially walked The Green Mile,a 'departure' email was sent out on Friday.
Seems that Massimo is certainly 'cleaning house' !
What 'was' S Tully's role with VA ?
Swift has also officially walked The Green Mile,a 'departure' email was sent out on Friday.
Seems that Massimo is certainly 'cleaning house' !
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Everyone is so excited about JB.
I reckon this guy has been bought in to clean up the books, implement Business Class, get a Wide Body domestic operation up and running (awarded to the lowest bidder, my thoughts will be either VA pilots on their S$%T contracts or a PB base that is already underway and being planned), a shrinking of VB (expansion of PB and VA to operate domestic OP's, ala Jetstar!).
Then Branson and the shareholders will make some cash and sell off the business, come on in ANZ. This all smells of Edington and the Ansett restructure and sell off!
JB has bought his team across because there is S$%T loads of bonus's to be made, easy KPI's to achieve and a nice retirement package to boot. I give him 18 months and he is gone!
And all the pilots at VB have fallen for the car salesman pitch and so called engagement, wait till the Wide Bodies turn up, watch the place implode as three groups are played off against each other and the PB Australian Bases open. Don't forget Jet Connect was started under JB at Qantas, and now the pilots are being told we wont be paxing in Business Class and the old HR manager is still around even though JB states openly that he does not like the guy, (oh my god, is this a classic Good Cop, Bad Cop scenario).
We have fallen for this rubbish again, it's a Business with share holders to respond to, they want results and the only difference between QF and VB is that QF don't pretend to like their staff!
I reckon this guy has been bought in to clean up the books, implement Business Class, get a Wide Body domestic operation up and running (awarded to the lowest bidder, my thoughts will be either VA pilots on their S$%T contracts or a PB base that is already underway and being planned), a shrinking of VB (expansion of PB and VA to operate domestic OP's, ala Jetstar!).
Then Branson and the shareholders will make some cash and sell off the business, come on in ANZ. This all smells of Edington and the Ansett restructure and sell off!
JB has bought his team across because there is S$%T loads of bonus's to be made, easy KPI's to achieve and a nice retirement package to boot. I give him 18 months and he is gone!
And all the pilots at VB have fallen for the car salesman pitch and so called engagement, wait till the Wide Bodies turn up, watch the place implode as three groups are played off against each other and the PB Australian Bases open. Don't forget Jet Connect was started under JB at Qantas, and now the pilots are being told we wont be paxing in Business Class and the old HR manager is still around even though JB states openly that he does not like the guy, (oh my god, is this a classic Good Cop, Bad Cop scenario).
We have fallen for this rubbish again, it's a Business with share holders to respond to, they want results and the only difference between QF and VB is that QF don't pretend to like their staff!
You know dirty deeds, If I were a cynical man, I would almost be inclined to agree with you. 
On a more operational note however, just how many "Widebodies" would VB/PB/VA be able to operate out of Sydney Domestic 2/3 at any one time?
On a more operational note however, just how many "Widebodies" would VB/PB/VA be able to operate out of Sydney Domestic 2/3 at any one time?
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And why should you be paxing in Business Class?
It's not going to be installed for pilots to commute in!!!!
That's not going to make DJ any money. It's there for the high yield, not the staff.
It's not going to be installed for pilots to commute in!!!!
That's not going to make DJ any money. It's there for the high yield, not the staff.
And why should you be paxing in Business Class?
It's not going to be installed for pilots to commute in!!!!
That's not going to make DJ any money. It's there for the high yield, not the staff.
It's not going to be installed for pilots to commute in!!!!
That's not going to make DJ any money. It's there for the high yield, not the staff.
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Normasars,
My reference to paxing was not for commuters, it was referenced to a situation like paxing to Perth from Melbourne then operating home, a 12 hour Duty!
The reference to paxing was also a point of example to prove my point!
Sorry if I sounded like it was a god given right (not my intention), I was just thinking of safety and a well rested pilot who has a big day ahead of them.
My reference to paxing was not for commuters, it was referenced to a situation like paxing to Perth from Melbourne then operating home, a 12 hour Duty!
The reference to paxing was also a point of example to prove my point!
Sorry if I sounded like it was a god given right (not my intention), I was just thinking of safety and a well rested pilot who has a big day ahead of them.
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VB v's QF Staff travel/Duty Travel
Virgin $41 not in front of Emerg Exits put in last rows with screaming kids around you...
Qantas $45 ungradeable to J class food and drink and you get looked after by ground staff.
and this is the same with duty travel in both cases
Qantas $45 ungradeable to J class food and drink and you get looked after by ground staff.
and this is the same with duty travel in both cases
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Deeds, I couldnt have said it better myself! Well done.
The next 12-18 months are going to be VERY interesting indeed. When all the smoke and mirrors finally clear, it will be ALL staff at the bottom of the sh$t pile again.
A bit like oliver twist "please sir can I have some more?"
The next 12-18 months are going to be VERY interesting indeed. When all the smoke and mirrors finally clear, it will be ALL staff at the bottom of the sh$t pile again.
A bit like oliver twist "please sir can I have some more?"
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Aka Dacca
"Dirty Deeds done dirt cheap"
"the only difference between QF and VB is that QF don't pretend to like their staff!".......this quote is an absolute pearler Deeds.
You are soooooo right.
JB is on a mission from God to rip and tear. He won't have the roadblocks that stood in his way at QF . He openly stated ( when at QF )that the 777 is THE aircraft of the future.
Its great watching all this unfold from the sidelines. A insider mate at DJ tells me that everyone in middle/senior management are themselves.
Il Duce is building his empire
"the only difference between QF and VB is that QF don't pretend to like their staff!".......this quote is an absolute pearler Deeds.
You are soooooo right.
JB is on a mission from God to rip and tear. He won't have the roadblocks that stood in his way at QF . He openly stated ( when at QF )that the 777 is THE aircraft of the future.
Its great watching all this unfold from the sidelines. A insider mate at DJ tells me that everyone in middle/senior management are
themselves.Il Duce is building his empire