Merged: It's downhill between SYD & LHR

[WoodenEye]

Sunderland’s article sure paints a startling picture. It is indeed astonishing that the momentous announcement about Jetstar becoming Singapore’s first long-haul, low-cost carrier got little more than cut-and-paste reporting in the Australian press.

That Team Bazaar ditched the Sale Act Case at one minute to midnight and subsequently filed the Fair Work Case will ultimately determine the job security and career progress of Qantas Group Pilots and is the legacy the TB administration will leave Qantas Group pilots.

Personally it is my view that Australian Industrial laws can not influence the employment Ts&Cs of majority owned foreign companies and this decision will ultimately be shown for the ploy it is.

Notwithstanding, that TB pulled the rug from the QSA Case and the membership quietly went along with it, does indicate that the pilot group doesn’t have the prerequisite levels of interest and determination to bring about the Management/Labour comprise referred to above and comment on Pprune is not enough to change this.

[LeadSled]

The real issue is whose AOC this will be operated from. You can't have VH rego aircraft operating on a foreign AOC.

Neville N.
Do you mean legally or morally? Legally (with apologies to Obama) Yes you can.

Equally, you can operate "foreign" registered/crewed/trained/maintained aircraft on an Australian AOC. This latter situation is quite common.

If a GA outfit tried such a stunt CASA would have them in court tomorrow trying to shut them down.

Only because no (or very few) GA outfits would have the financial resources to enforce their legal right under the Civil Aviation Act 1988, or even understand their legal position, versus the more usual "CASA says".

Major airlines like Qantas Group can afford legal parity with CASA. Sadly, in aviation in Australia, you only get the justice you can afford to buy.

Tootle pip!!

[LondonSloop]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/willie-walsh-says-ba-must-spread-its-wings-beyond-iberia-merger/story-e6frg90o-1225889643374?from=public_rss

Was drowned out by the M&A noise from the City.

BRITISH Airways is looking to do a deal with another airline within a year of BA completing its merger with Iberia..

• BA and the Spanish flag carrier are set to merge under the control of an umbrella company called International Airlines (IACG) by the end of the year.
• The holding company has been structured to facilitate further acquisitions, and BA's chief executive Willie Walsh said that these deals could happen quickly. Mr Walsh told the Aviation Club in London: "We have created an entity capable of being scaled up. Our ambition is truly global. IACG is not about putting BA and Iberia together. It is about creating a platform to create a carrier of global scale."

Is time for you Aussies to get a JAA licence.

[CaptCloudbuster]

It is about creating a platform to create a carrier of global scale

Woodeneye, a question. Did you in your capacity as AIPA President foreshadow exactly this scenario we now see unfolding?

You predicted that unless mainline radically changed its work practices to remain relevant (ie EBA VIII) the 787's would ultimately end up in a global airline operation without borders with tech crew sourced internationally from the lowest bidders?

At least some of us will be able to take refuge on the A380

.....won't we??

[neville_nobody]

Equally, you can operate "foreign" registered/crewed/trained/maintained aircraft on an Australian AOC. This latter situation is quite common.

Which operator does that?

How can CASA possibly regulate an operator with an Australian AOC and say a Mozambique registered aircraft, with a system of maintenance and a check and training system?

I have heard of Australian based operators getting foreign registered aircraft to avoid getting an AOC, and therefore cut CASA out of the picture completely, but I cannot see legally how CASA could grant an AOC to a operator whom they don't have any legal authority over.

For example CASA cannot cancel the license of the pilot in my example as their pilot's license is controlled by Mozambique. Nor could they deem the aircraft unairworthy as it is not registered in Australia. They also have no authority over the Chief Pilot as he does not hold an Australian license.

[WoodenEye]

Whilst it has to come to pass sooner rather than later and I did foreshadow Qantas’ globalisation a few years back, it gives me no joy to read that ‘Jetstar Global’ is being used to steal Qantas’ lost opportunity.

Yes Cloudbuster, I believe there was a time when the combination of an EBA incorporating fleet pay and flexibility, together with settlement of the Qantas Sale Act case could have secured job security and career progress for all Qantas Group Pilots, but that time has now passed.

Having read Albanese’s recent speech to the Aviation Press Club in Washington, where he said:

“We are committed to negotiating bilateral agreements that provide for designation on the grounds of incorporation and principal place of business..”

And the above statement attributed to Willie Walsh, I sense that the effective control of piloting careers in the Qantas Group will soon no longer be in the hands of AIPA and Qantas Management, but in offshore Boardrooms.

Things maybe able to be saved , but it would now take an enormous amount of investment and the acceptance of financial risk for Qantas Group Pilots to deal themselves into the 'game' AIPA walked away from in 2008.

[blow.n.gasket]

If what you sat is true Woodeneye, will the following be a portend of what Bazza can expect from the troops when they discover what has been going on behind the scenes?


Australiana on Yahoo! Video

[WoodenEye]

With respect to Blown’s question.

Believe the term -‘The Jury is Out’- best describes the legacy the TB Administration is creating.

If AIPA’s upcoming Fair Work Case gets a favourable result and the yet to negotiated LHEBA 8 is better than LHEBA 8 Offer rejected on their advice in 2008, expect members will be happy and the TB Administration well remembered.

On the other hand, should the Fair Work Case flop, LHEBA8 2011 be a disappointment and “Jetstar Global’ initiatives now unfolding be applied to any merger of Qantas with say, BA/CX sometime next year; the crowd will want to blame someone/something other than their lack of interest/determination and history will be the judge.

Irrespective of which way it goes; as I've said elsewhere, Pilots and others need to ‘Think United’ if they are going to benefit from globalisation.

Good luck with it all.

[LondonSloop]

LCC's v Oneworld Global Alliance.

• "British Airways, American Airlines and Iberia yesterday won EU antitrust clearance to deepen their pact. The Oneworld members want to broaden their pact to take advantage of the 'Open Skies' agreement between the United States and the European Union."

City says Qantas must choose.

[WoodenEye]

I’m impressed LS. It seems the analysts down under agree with your mates in suits. According to some in Macquarie Street Sydney, yesterday’s B787 announcement constitutes an important reshaping of the Qantas-Jetstar strategy. The people at CAPA hold the view that:

..The Qantas Group’s complex strategy needs to be adjusted, as lingering always in the background is the opportunity to forge deeper partnerships internationally. The latest move will reverse the order in which Qantas’ LCC subsidiary Jetstar receives the aircraft and implies an important reshaping of Qantas/Jetstar’s domestic and international strategy, but unless JetStar is part of such a deal, it also means that Qantas’ international strategy – which largely relies on Jetstar expanding to cover the Group’s long haul needs – could now be under the microscope...

I’ve always had difficulty understanding how the long haul Two Brand Strategy fits into the Mega Carrier Model and would love to get my hands on analysis that compares growing JetStar internationally with Global Fleet Co. Whatever you can make available, would be gratefully appreciated LS.