Jetstar cancer continues.
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Anyone heard yet who's AOC these 330's are going to fly under? I was given to understand it would depend on the Singapore regulatory approvals process and the routes they would allow. I assume there would be ink and signatures on paper by now?
Rumour also is that the flying will be done on a "US Dollar" contract and that there would be "opportunities" for Jetstar Australia pilots. This implies the flying will not go to either of the existing JQ Australia or JQ Asia contracts. It also further suggests the offer will be lower than both of them. Buchanan clearly thinks there are enough 330 guys out there that will take it.
Rumour also is that the flying will be done on a "US Dollar" contract and that there would be "opportunities" for Jetstar Australia pilots. This implies the flying will not go to either of the existing JQ Australia or JQ Asia contracts. It also further suggests the offer will be lower than both of them. Buchanan clearly thinks there are enough 330 guys out there that will take it.
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Buchanan clearly thinks there are enough 330 guys out there that will take it.
What will the wannabe's do when they realise they've spread the undercutting cancer to the last bastion of well paid airline jobs (wide body Captain)- perhaps a low ball offer to Nasa?
I wonder how they'll reflect on their careers at age 70- with pride or the realisation that they've made a career out of undermining the profession. Frankly I'd rather retire as a proud A320 Captain than as a spineless 330 Captain.
Buchanan is simply feeding off the ugly nature of his employees and can't really be blamed for it.
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Waren,
I guess a related question is whether the aircraft operating from Singapore up to southern Europe will be VH- or 9V- registered.
Buchanan's comment:
What, so those Emirates, Singapore, Cathay, Malaysian, Korean, Thai, Qatar, Air China, China Air, etc. tails one sees daily at various southern European airfields such as Rome, Madrid, Athens, etc. are not actually there?! 
I guess a related question is whether the aircraft operating from Singapore up to southern Europe will be VH- or 9V- registered.
Buchanan's comment:
"Southern Europe offered an attractive market and no one else was really serving that market."
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'autobk4' God I had to laugh re yr car washing min req's!
I guess 'keenness' by these young whipper snappers is alive & well but like a few have said here at what cost? Still it's a different beast now aviation even the planes have little in common re avionics these days to planes of yesteryear. A career path in flying now is simply done a different way, progress??? Well that's a whole udder story!
Those of us who came up thru the ranks of hard knocks where at 500 hrs you'd be lucky to get a C210 job up Nth & to fly a jet? Well passes in Space shuttle theory & about a zillion hrs all TWIN in CMD (& you had to know someone in the Airline to help) & even then you sat quietly in the R/H seat of an F27 for a 100 yrs then over to skipper on the noisy 'dart' machine then back to R/H seat on a '9' for another 100 yrs then skipper where you stayed there & retired flying 1 sector a day!!!!!!...........yep the good 'ole days
A crystal ball about now would be handy to see where J* will be in say 5 years time,in fact All the carriers!
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I guess 'keenness' by these young whipper snappers is alive & well but like a few have said here at what cost? Still it's a different beast now aviation even the planes have little in common re avionics these days to planes of yesteryear. A career path in flying now is simply done a different way, progress??? Well that's a whole udder story!
Those of us who came up thru the ranks of hard knocks where at 500 hrs you'd be lucky to get a C210 job up Nth & to fly a jet? Well passes in Space shuttle theory & about a zillion hrs all TWIN in CMD (& you had to know someone in the Airline to help) & even then you sat quietly in the R/H seat of an F27 for a 100 yrs then over to skipper on the noisy 'dart' machine then back to R/H seat on a '9' for another 100 yrs then skipper where you stayed there & retired flying 1 sector a day!!!!!!...........yep the good 'ole days
A crystal ball about now would be handy to see where J* will be in say 5 years time,in fact All the carriers!
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Emirates, Singapore, Cathay, Malaysian, Korean, Thai, Qatar, Air China, China Air, etc. tails one sees daily at various southern European airfields such as Rome, Madrid, Athens, etc.
Lucky for Qantas shareholders that those running Jetstar really are the smartest guys in the room.
Given Jetstar's outstanding success on the Japan run, flying it into the Southern European market can't possibly fail.
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Thats exactly what I was trying to find out when I asked if anyone knew whos AOC would be used....
I guess a related question is whether the aircraft operating from Singapore up to southern Europe will be VH- or 9V- registered.
My guess is that QF Management are concerned about the inroads being made by Air Asia and the Middle East carriers, hence the decision to commence with the A330 rather than wait for the B787.
I assume Air Service Agreements will determine if the services are seen as Jetstar (Australia) or Jetstar (Asia).
I assume Air Service Agreements will determine if the services are seen as Jetstar (Australia) or Jetstar (Asia).
Almost right Waren, enough 'wannabe' 330 pilots is correct.
What will the wannabe's do when they realise they've spread the undercutting cancer to the last bastion of well paid airline jobs (wide body Captain)- perhaps a low ball offer to Nasa?
I wonder how they'll reflect on their careers at age 70- with pride or the realisation that they've made a career out of undermining the profession. Frankly I'd rather retire as a proud A320 Captain than as a spineless 330 Captain.
What will the wannabe's do when they realise they've spread the undercutting cancer to the last bastion of well paid airline jobs (wide body Captain)- perhaps a low ball offer to Nasa?
I wonder how they'll reflect on their careers at age 70- with pride or the realisation that they've made a career out of undermining the profession. Frankly I'd rather retire as a proud A320 Captain than as a spineless 330 Captain.
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Airtags,
Very true my learned freind.
JQ also appointed the former JQ NZ Ground Operations Manager, a former baggage handler, as the COO for JQ Asia ! I heard he is paid half of what the other two were getting paid combined.Because QF has 'sidelined' (well the Vietnamese government did ) the two naughty QF kiddies who were running the show up there, they also get to save on executive salaries. A double bonus ?
JQ Execs in various forms in SIN over the last two weeks having various meetings re the SIN base.
JQ also appointed the former JQ NZ Ground Operations Manager, a former baggage handler, as the COO for JQ Asia ! I heard he is paid half of what the other two were getting paid combined.Because QF has 'sidelined' (well the Vietnamese government did ) the two naughty QF kiddies who were running the show up there, they also get to save on executive salaries. A double bonus ?
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waren9 thats good lol lol.
qf people have been up in sin for a while trying to sort things out and jq engineers are beng trained 320 to 330 as we speak.
I could have sworn AJ said no more routes going to JQ??!!
qf people have been up in sin for a while trying to sort things out and jq engineers are beng trained 320 to 330 as we speak.
I could have sworn AJ said no more routes going to JQ??!!
You are right Neville, I suspect Outtahere was referring to the long line of Jq Oz pilots willing to go to Singapore.
I guess with an 'international' contract they'll have to expect 'international' standards- another dent in the QF group reputation.
I guess with an 'international' contract they'll have to expect 'international' standards- another dent in the QF group reputation.
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I may have the wrong context here but.
"I wonder how they'll reflect on their careers at age 70- with pride or the realisation that they've made a career out of undermining the profession. Frankly I'd rather retire as a proud A320 Captain than as a spineless 330 Captain."
Surely you are not refering to a Jetstar A320 captain?
I may have the wrong context here but.
"I wonder how they'll reflect on their careers at age 70- with pride or the realisation that they've made a career out of undermining the profession. Frankly I'd rather retire as a proud A320 Captain than as a spineless 330 Captain."
Surely you are not refering to a Jetstar A320 captain?
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Ahhh, 500 hours instructing. And wondering why we can't get hired by an airline.
Do yourself and your future colleages a favour and go out and get some REAL experience. Don't take the easy road.
Do yourself and your future colleages a favour and go out and get some REAL experience. Don't take the easy road.
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Ironbar, by the way the Jq flight crew hang their heads & avert the looks of other crew as they walk the terminals, apparantly not too many 'proud' A320 Captains exist.
Its not really a job anyone aspires to.
Its not really a job anyone aspires to.
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So what part of all of this was unexpected!!!!
QANTAS being devoured by J*, then one day renamed as .....QANTAS!
Didn't need to read the tea leaf's in my coffee to see that happening....
QANTAS being devoured by J*, then one day renamed as .....QANTAS!
Didn't need to read the tea leaf's in my coffee to see that happening....
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"Frankly I'd rather retire as a proud A320 Captain than as a spineless 330 Captain."
In honky? You go girl. Wonderfull place. Got kids?
"by the way the Jq flight crew hang their heads & avert the looks of other crew as they walk the terminals"
What utter crap. You might like to think they do, thats all.
Wally MK2, the good old days of regulation, even a drovers dog could have made money back then.
In honky? You go girl. Wonderfull place. Got kids?
"by the way the Jq flight crew hang their heads & avert the looks of other crew as they walk the terminals"
What utter crap. You might like to think they do, thats all.
Wally MK2, the good old days of regulation, even a drovers dog could have made money back then.