Qantas Group A330 Changes
Going Boeing speaks the truth and proves the age old adage.
If anyone can find ways to, "spend pounds to save pennies" it's Qantas
The airline with no corporate memory.......
If anyone can find ways to, "spend pounds to save pennies" it's Qantas
The airline with no corporate memory.......
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BCG are just a bunch of accountants with clip boards who have no idea how the operation runs ....just the $$$$$. Its a " Stuff the punter " approach and save the client (QF) money....then we get our bonus. They don't care about the long term viability of a route.
The 330 is NOT the aircraft to have on the LAX-JFK-LAX.
Pax are blowing up on every sector........especially the Platinums. The 777 would of been the right aircraft......but lets not open up that wound again.
In the meantime.....get the 744 back on -ASAP!
Send those BCG clowns to do an audit on QCA/9......wonder if they have Tim Tams in the kitchen up there??? That might save some $$$$$$
The 330 is NOT the aircraft to have on the LAX-JFK-LAX.
Pax are blowing up on every sector........especially the Platinums. The 777 would of been the right aircraft......but lets not open up that wound again.
In the meantime.....get the 744 back on -ASAP!
Send those BCG clowns to do an audit on QCA/9......wonder if they have Tim Tams in the kitchen up there??? That might save some $$$$$$
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I struggle to see why a 'J class premium customer' would be disappointed with the 330? It has a self service bar, mood lighting and two abreast seating - much better then the dreaded middle J seat on the 744 and the aircraft is much quieter...
The interior looks sharper and fresher then the older 744's...I don't understand the problem.
The interior looks sharper and fresher then the older 744's...I don't understand the problem.
"I struggle to see why a 'J class premium customer' would be disappointed with the 330? It has a self service bar, mood lighting and two abreast seating - much better then the dreaded middle J seat on the 744 and the aircraft is much quieter...
The interior looks sharper and fresher then the older 744's...I don't understand the problem."
I think you will find that the flight attendants are the one's that have the problem with the A330, not the passengers! They're just using the passengers as the excuse to push there own issues with the aircraft. They obviously prefer to work on the 747!
The interior looks sharper and fresher then the older 744's...I don't understand the problem."
I think you will find that the flight attendants are the one's that have the problem with the A330, not the passengers! They're just using the passengers as the excuse to push there own issues with the aircraft. They obviously prefer to work on the 747!
"I struggle to see why a 'J class premium customer' would be disappointed with the 330? It has a self service bar, mood lighting and two abreast seating - much better then the dreaded middle J seat on the 744 and the aircraft is much quieter...
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It is simple economics really. The 744 was losing money on the route. If the A330 loses less, or makes a profit then other considerations; like 744 pilots hanging on to any slim hope they may get their treasured destination back, don't amount to much at all.
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Hey AutoBrakes,
This has nothing at all to do with ...."F/A's using it pax to push their own issues". Those pax you refer to are full paying customers.
The issue is that their EXPECTATION is to fly from SYD/MEL to JFK ( LAX transit) in P/C, Premium Y/C or J/C.....all the way.
The Yield Management boffins generally oversell in J/C on the LAX-JFK-LAX sectors.
AND.......surprise surprise......no one within Frequent Flyer or Res bothers to tell these "pax" about the 330. Result generally is that they find out at Left 1 !! And yes.....the crew then have to sort it out.
So park your obvious "stereotypical F/A" view. We are NOT all a bunch of wingeing prats who want to be on MAX time off !
I in fact enjoy working on the A-330 and bid accordingly. My point is all about whats best for the people who pay our wages.
This has nothing at all to do with ...."F/A's using it pax to push their own issues". Those pax you refer to are full paying customers.
The issue is that their EXPECTATION is to fly from SYD/MEL to JFK ( LAX transit) in P/C, Premium Y/C or J/C.....all the way.
The Yield Management boffins generally oversell in J/C on the LAX-JFK-LAX sectors.
AND.......surprise surprise......no one within Frequent Flyer or Res bothers to tell these "pax" about the 330. Result generally is that they find out at Left 1 !!
And yes.....the crew then have to sort it out.So park your obvious "stereotypical F/A" view. We are NOT all a bunch of wingeing prats who want to be on MAX time off !
I in fact enjoy working on the A-330 and bid accordingly. My point is all about whats best for the people who pay our wages.
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having recently operated
the A332 on above mentioned sectors I can confirm that premium customers DO NOT like to be on the A332 on longe range sectors. the business class seats do not compete with the Air NZ product or the A380. its simple, there is a choice out there. Hence QF in JC has had very light loads on these sectors
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I don't understand what can be so uncomfortable about the A332 on a 6hr flight in either class? Sure it doesn't offer W but I assume they'd be upgraded to J like they do on most int sectors?
So, let me see if I've got this right.
The 744 had about 70 P and J seats operating at, on average, 60% commercial loads or around 40-45 pax from AKL-LAX and then to JFK.
But that didn't make enough money so we'll send at least 10-15 commercial pax to someone else's airline for 5 days a week and all of them elsewhere on 2 days a week and hope that the other 30-odd stay with us on the 330 on the days we choose to operate it. Hey, but if we can get say 80% commercial loads we'll make squillions.
By that logic, why are we even considering more A-380's? If we get some smaller aircraft they'll always be full and our bonus will multiply handsomely.
The 744 had about 70 P and J seats operating at, on average, 60% commercial loads or around 40-45 pax from AKL-LAX and then to JFK.
But that didn't make enough money so we'll send at least 10-15 commercial pax to someone else's airline for 5 days a week and all of them elsewhere on 2 days a week and hope that the other 30-odd stay with us on the 330 on the days we choose to operate it. Hey, but if we can get say 80% commercial loads we'll make squillions.
By that logic, why are we even considering more A-380's? If we get some smaller aircraft they'll always be full and our bonus will multiply handsomely.
Dizzy, you are forgetting about the 12 - 14 hour sectors AKL-LAX-AKL and the J class cabin is not big enough to allow all the W pax to be upgraded.
C441, spot on - they think that they are Rocket Scientists.
CK, this thread is a discussion about the logic behind the type change, not a desire to hold onto a destination.
C441, spot on - they think that they are Rocket Scientists.
CK, this thread is a discussion about the logic behind the type change, not a desire to hold onto a destination.
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The -400 guys didn't really care when the A330 was only operating AKL-LAX. Now that it is going on to JFK they are all suddenly vitally concerned over operating costs. Gimme a break....
Routes come and go. If it is profitable then the A330 will stay, if not, then they will try something else. One thing is for certain, whingeing about it on PPRUNE won't change a thing.
To the bunch of idiots at Fatty's a few weeks ago who were calling A330 pilots "scabs" for accepting the crew seat, take a long hard look at yourselves.
Routes come and go. If it is profitable then the A330 will stay, if not, then they will try something else. One thing is for certain, whingeing about it on PPRUNE won't change a thing.
To the bunch of idiots at Fatty's a few weeks ago who were calling A330 pilots "scabs" for accepting the crew seat, take a long hard look at yourselves.
Nunc est bibendum
Actually I think people like Going Boeing have been pretty consistent in his critique of using the A330 AKL-LAX-AKL and subsequently sending it to JFK.
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thats another issue
taking 2 seats out of the J/C front cabin to have a S/O watch movies most of the night and sleep a little. in view of all the pax seing them swapping in/out. genius-not
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Of course the alternative is to provide an underfloor crew-rest, with a 1000kg weight penalty BOTH ways plus loss of freight capacity as against the SO crew seat one way.
Maybe you need to think that through?
Maybe you need to think that through?
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taking 2 seats out of the J/C front cabin to have a S/O watch movies most of the night and sleep a little. in view of all the pax seing them swapping in/out. genius-not
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I thought most of the passenger gripe was due to the inconsistancy of "guage" for all points west of the 'Island of the wrong white crowd"
ie: having to fly with JitCinnict to reach any other points in Australia once they've crossed the bug dutch en the 330.
ie: having to fly with JitCinnict to reach any other points in Australia once they've crossed the bug dutch en the 330.
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Interesting press release today:
About Qantas - Media Room - Media Releases
Wonder where the A330-300 will come from? New? Leased?
Pulled of Intl routes? Cant see how... The A333 fleet is already maxed out with Intl flying as it is. MNL goes A333 from NOV as well.
hmmmm
About Qantas - Media Room - Media Releases
Mr Joyce said an A330-300 will be added from January with a further five B737-800s being progressively added to the domestic network from March 2011.
“These aircraft will be deployed on a variety of growth markets, including the east coast, east – west and intra WA markets,” Mr Joyce said.
“These aircraft will be deployed on a variety of growth markets, including the east coast, east – west and intra WA markets,” Mr Joyce said.
Pulled of Intl routes? Cant see how... The A333 fleet is already maxed out with Intl flying as it is. MNL goes A333 from NOV as well.
hmmmm