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No QF A330's can dump fuel.
Its an option on the -200 (the ones with centre tanks) but the most I ever saw in one was about 5 tonnes flow LAX to AKL. May be useful for EK if they're doing ultra long haul in them, but once you start loading that much fuel in the 330 your available payload quickly shrinks. Its been a couple of years but i'm pretty sure main tanks held 69 or 79 tonnes, enough to go to beijing easily, and provided the overweight landing is fairly smooth the engineers inspection is a quick one.
Its an option on the -200 (the ones with centre tanks) but the most I ever saw in one was about 5 tonnes flow LAX to AKL. May be useful for EK if they're doing ultra long haul in them, but once you start loading that much fuel in the 330 your available payload quickly shrinks. Its been a couple of years but i'm pretty sure main tanks held 69 or 79 tonnes, enough to go to beijing easily, and provided the overweight landing is fairly smooth the engineers inspection is a quick one.
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I am thinking that they probably did do an overweight landing. Two hours with gear extended wouldn't burn off nearly enough fuel to get down below MLW; not with a full pax load and 65-70 tonnes of fuel for PVG.
I guess if they lost the green system that would qualify as an emergency. As mentioned, an overweight landing, done properly is no big deal in an A330.
I guess if they lost the green system that would qualify as an emergency. As mentioned, an overweight landing, done properly is no big deal in an A330.
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either way it was a dual hydraulic pump change - green system on both engines plus all the filters, case and main, as the hydraulic fire shutoff valve closed making the pumps go low pressure. a nice warranty job off Airbus!
The statement by Qf it wasnt an emergency is crap, is it normal to have the e gear extended, undercarriage doors down and no green hydraulics so no normal braking system? I think not....Isnt it time QF management actual got managers that know what they are taking about instead off some crap speal told to then 5 mins before they make a statement....
The statement by Qf it wasnt an emergency is crap, is it normal to have the e gear extended, undercarriage doors down and no green hydraulics so no normal braking system? I think not....Isnt it time QF management actual got managers that know what they are taking about instead off some crap speal told to then 5 mins before they make a statement....
No overweight landing...
I heard that gear down, Flap1, speed brake & holding at approx 200-220kts (ie above Vls) meant time for a meal and a movie for the punters, plus approx 6500kg/hr fuel flow until landing just under MLW. 
In November 2008, the same flight was forced to return to Sydney an hour into its journey after its radar systems had malfunctioned.
I want some of that overtime.
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Originally Posted by GodDamSlacker
The statement by Qf it wasnt an emergency is crap, is it normal to have the e gear extended, undercarriage doors down and no green hydraulics so no normal braking system?
Once the PIC has determined an emergency exists, the legislation allows them to do anything deemed appropriate for the safe conduct of the flight, ie break rules as necessary.
Until an emergency is declared, MLW must be respected, even with a loss of a single hydraulic system.
Nothing I have seen thus far leads me to conclude that an emergency was declared.
So, what you consider an emergency may differ from the PIC's view on the day. The PIC may also have to justify the declaration of an emergency in a court of law if rules are broken.
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"In exceptional conditions (in flight turnback or diversion), an immediate landing at weight above maximum landing weight is permitted, provided the pilot follows the overweight landing proceedure"
"In exceptional conditions (in flight turnback or diversion), an immediate landing at weight above maximum landing weight is permitted, provided the pilot follows the overweight landing proceedure"
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Old Rope, I stand corrected regarding MLW in the exceptional circumstances vs an emergency as per Airbus limitations.
Old rope it is permitted by the FCOM yet an overweight landing is not permitted by the regulations unless you declare an emergency. Long discussion on this with regards to the the 380 as after dumping it would normally be 40+ tonnes over MLW and stated by company after checking with the regulator that unless you have declared an emergency then you should not land above MLW.
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Capt SNAFU, thanks for that, not familiar with the oz interpretation of the Regs anymore.
I've no doubt that the PIC would have been receiving info from many sources that led to his conduct of the air turn back, reading FCOM would have been one of the more simple tasks. But as in all things aviation, the simple tasks are never thus.
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I've no doubt that the PIC would have been receiving info from many sources that led to his conduct of the air turn back, reading FCOM would have been one of the more simple tasks. But as in all things aviation, the simple tasks are never thus.
Cheers
