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Old 4th Jan 2010, 05:05
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QF A380 rejected take off YMML

QF93 is still on the the ground at MEL after the pilots decided to abort due to dodgy fuel gauges, Pax trapped on board as the flight had already been fully screened for the flight to LAX, and the authorities aren't keen on another screening.

The papers have got hold of this already :

Passengers stuck on Qantas A380 after aborted take-off

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Old 4th Jan 2010, 05:39
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No, it's worse than that...

The passengers are still on the plane five hours later. The flight crew are now out of Duty Hours.

But due to the USA State of Terror security procedues, the passengers can't get off, the bird isn't fixed, and people are seriously not happy.

I hope no-one imagines this is making air-travel "more secure". It's not. But it's making the jobs of the professionals who provide it a lot less secure.

The people who make the diference between profit and loss do not HAVE to fly. And if this cluster-eff continues, they won't...
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 05:44
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I understand pax being held on board whilst a tech issue is being resolved. But can someone please explain why, in instances such as this, they just don't disembark the pax back into the sterile area?
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 05:57
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The pax will need to rescreened at the gate, the authorities are not willing to do this, apparently QF are talking to the TSA & Australian authorities, but no such luck so far, the passengers are, as I said earlier trapped, but not due to the fault of QF, extra catering has been loaded. (not sure if this is a good thing )

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Old 4th Jan 2010, 06:17
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But can someone please explain why, in instances such as this, they just don't disembark the pax back into the sterile area?
US flights have requirements for additional screening at the departure gate. This consists of pat downs and additional bag searches and requires a whole bunch of additional security staff- probably 20 of them.

In terms of time you're looking at 15-25 minutes to unload 450 punters and their bags. To load them all back on board is probably 30 minutes after they've been through the security check. Add another 20 minutes for the security checks and you're looking at long turn around time to get them off and on again.
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 06:41
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It's about time..........

...........the media and uninformed punters got off Qantas's back. Do they collectively understand and realise that

1. they are travelling on an extraordinarily complex piece of machinery and that it's inevitable from time to time that problems do occur?

2. the security requirements are beyond Qantas's control and that they should be directing their ire at Uncle Sam?

3. Qantas is a full service airline and, unlike some of its competitors, will turn itself inside out to get its passengers to their destinations as quickly and as safely as possible?

4. the last thing Qantas and its staff wants is a long and expensive delay that will not only delay one flight but several others that follow?

Some pr!icks just can't help themselves. Maybe they should try some other 'full service' carriers (or LCCs for that matter) and then see just how good is Qantas and its people.

End of tant.
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 06:42
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.... and then you have to wait and try and find the ones who go walkabout, or shopping or stealing an extra smoke in the terminal toilets.... so maybe an extra 1/2 hour on top of that!
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 06:43
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Unfortunate series of events again for the dugong.

And why is the rest of the world held hostage due to the USAs foreign policies.

If anything these people will have more ill feeling towards the USA now that the

US has made them endure hours on an aircraft while stuck in their home town.

Damn yanks
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 07:23
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Being held hostage for 6 hours unacceptable.
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 07:40
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Well said Ken and superlame! It doesn't matter if it was a 380 or what the issue was, the dumb security requirements and the fact the TSA seem to have a lot of power in countries outside of thier own is a joke. Mind you none of the media (or the QF spokesman) has mentioned this in the media report
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 07:58
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I'm not sure where the answer really lies but at some point I will and have made the decision to offload the passengers due to an extended delay despite what the local company reps have advised.
The company is looking at turnaround time, schedule disruption, staffing levels and subsequent costs.
The company reps are looking at extended hours looking after a flight that should be airborne.
I am weighing up the welfare and comfort of my passengers and crew.

At some point a line has to be drawn when regardless of what the 'far removed interested parties' are saying the PIC has to make a decision to 'get them off'.

I don't know where the answer lies in this instance and no criticism is implied, but I would like to know where the A380 line in the sand is.
I certainly would be concerned at a 5+ hour ground delay.
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 08:38
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Also this is aircraft VH-OQE the newest dugong in the fleet. Hopefully Airbus is going to be cop the full cost of this delay. I know it is new and all but when will this end.

And another thing about Damn Yanks, didn't they just bring in a law stating that passengers aren't to be made to sit in an aircraft on the tarmac for more than 2 hours. Yet their stupid laws that they have just introduced again have caused passengers 14 hours away to sit in an aircraft on the tarmac for 6 hours. Pathetic laws for a paranoid nation.
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 08:50
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I know it is new and all but when will this end.
Indeed - there seem to have been quote a few issues with A380's over the last few months. I wonder what other issues are going to surface as time goes on? It certainly seems a few corners have been cut to "get them out the door"!
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 09:19
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Since when have the Yanks become "World Government"? How can they possibly stop people in an aircraft 1000s of miles away from getting off. This whole thing is crazy..the lunatics are really running the asylum!!!

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Old 4th Jan 2010, 09:24
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Stop crying you pathetic weasels...an aircraft delay is NOT news, unless you are a reporter looking for an easy 'story' to make it look like you actually did something today.

'Woolies customers delayed at checkout due price check...'

'those toilet rolls were not priced correctly!' shouted a pregnant mum..'

'old lady inconvenienced by massive checkout queue..'

'baby crying in fruit and vege!'

Now these stories are really worthy of reporting, hopefully A Current Affair is on the case!
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 09:49
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Media beating up Qantas again....boring, blah blah.

An Aerolineas Argentinas flight from SYD-AKL-EZE was recently delayed for over 2 days (yes days...53 hours late in fact). They were waiting for a part, which I'm sure could have been sourced from any of the A340 operators in the region. Admittedly passengers hadn't boarded but they were in the departure lounge.

Now that is unacceptable!!!! Any mention in the media? No of course not.
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 10:03
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Delays can happen to any airline. And we all cope with it.
Yes its Qantas and they cop more than their fare share of unnecessary bad press.

But,

I thought this thread was about the fact that the passengers were kept on board for what a lot of people considered was an unacceptable amount of time with the yanks security measures being used as the reason for not disembarking.??
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Rewind

Back to the original thread -
QF93 is still on the the ground at MEL after the pilots decided to abort due to dodgy fuel gauges, Pax trapped on board as the flight had already been fully screened for the flight to LAX, and the authorities aren't keen on another screening.
The papers have got hold of this already :
Firstly,of course the papers have got a hold of the story,anything to make a big story out of very little.Thats their job,speak and report sensationalised crap on a daily basis.Journo's are a bunch of f*#wits.
As for QF being the unlucky Operator, its just sheer bad luck,one of those days for them.
The real issue and villain is the completely and utterly ridiculous knee jerk paranoid and dilusional fools running the USA.What a bunch of morons with their frightened and irrational reactions. World Super Power my a*s, more like a downtrodden and defeated a*s whipped bunch of 'girly men' running scared.
Boo hoo, lets put up a big gate and keep all the nasty people out ! Fools.

I will stop my rant now, the valium has kicked in and the full moon has passed.
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 10:46
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Not good for 380 that something so small has now snow balled
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 10:50
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I agree whole heartedly gobbledock.
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