Qantas To Reconfigure International Aircraft

[DeeJayEss]

Sorry Pegasus, it's just one of those words that really gets my goat up. :-)

I'll add to this argument. Why won't the big Q reconfigure the cabins to have PROPER bar spaces like V Aus??? My two mates and I got kicked out of the Business "bar" on an A380 because we "were upsetting the first class passengers". Pathetic. And it's only a space fit for four people to sit in, and there's no self service!

(I don't know what V Aus actually has, I've only heard rumours....)

[ROH111]

There is no icon for a post like that.

Perhaps this will just have to do.

[Taildragger67]

Pegasus,

Hasn't VH-OQF turned up yet?

DeeJayEss,

Business class bar on Emirates' A380s - but just like the upstairs bars on the early short-hump classic 747s, doubtless some bean-counter will one day decide to jam more seats in so get it while you can!

[Worrals in the wilds]

One of these? Must polish my CFM boots

[ditch handle]

I was told the other day that aircraft 6 has had three failed attempts at getting out of Toulouse.

Anybody got any info.....?

[qf 1]

i heard H245 Sydney maybe doing the refits.something about an overflow facility

[Bootstrap1]

I doubt h245 will ever see a jumbo again. The hangar and docking haven't been maintained since its closure and to have a 744 worked on in there again would require major docking repairs etc to bring it up to OHS regulations. If they kept it maintained on a monthly basis it might have been salvagable. I believe the porn star have looked at it quite a few times and have taken detailed measurements to see if it would be a suitable 787 hangar. Time will tell.
And if H245 ever sees any work ever again it will just prove the lie David Cox told the media when HM was closed. If you recall one of his statements was that the whole hangar block had to go due to SACL requirements but then that is another story.

And yes VH-OQF did arrive today after a couple of false starts. First was a return to the airbus hangar with some defect and then it was held back by a severely snowed in airport.

I believe it is in H96 now getting pre service mods done and goes into service on Saturday. But these things change at the drop of a hat.

[Terrey]

Worrals,


I think you will find that is a pic of a lower deck lounge. The stairs are going the wrong way!

[RedTBar]

Unless it was a Boeing idea for a triple deck aircraft

Come to think of it,this was not a promo shot for the film 2001: A Space Odyssey is it?

I love the 70's and especially that sunken dance floor or was it some sort of love in bed?

[Bolty McBolt]

744 config change.
The rumor I am hearing is IFE change.
Rockwell Collins out. Matsu****a/Panasonic in.
A dozen years to late but about time

[DEFCON4]

IFE System

Rockwell Collins produced a reasonable IFE system at a price.....cheap
QF marketing got hold of it and tried to make it do what it wasnt designed to do
Marketing hasnt learnt.
They are trying to do it again with Panasonic on the A380.
Its axiomatic that QF marketing and technology dont gel

[twiggs]

Originally Posted by Bolty McBolt

744 config change.
The rumor I am hearing is IFE change.
Rockwell Collins out. Matsu****a/Panasonic in.
A dozen years to late but about time

Thank god for that.
After another IFE failure the other day requiring total reboot inflight, enough is enough.
I'm tired of saying, "I'm sorry Sir/Ma'am, the system can't handle everyone accessing it at the same time".

[Bolty McBolt]

IFE System

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Rockwell Collins produced a reasonable IFE system at a price.....cheap
QF marketing got hold of it and tried to make it do what it wasnt designed to do
Marketing hasnt learnt.
They are doing it again with Panasonic on the A380.
Its axiomatic that QF marketing and technology dont gel

First I have heard of it.
A380 panasonic IFE is out of the box without fiddling.

[Going Boeing]

Posted by DEFCON4
Rockwell Collins produced a reasonable IFE system at a price.....cheap

Wrong, at the time QF ordered the Rockwell Collins IFE, both SQ & CX were experiencing very significant reliability issues with their systems and R/C convinced QF that there system was better technology and more reliable. History now shows that it wasn't. The system was definitely not cheap.

They are doing it again with Panasonic on the A380.

The Panasonic IFE team proudly claim that QF is using more of the features that their system is capable of, than any other airline that has ordered it. The Panasonic facility in the US that has been developing the product for its customer airlines has a secure room for each airline and staff that work on an airline's product are not allowed to enter another airline's room. Obviously, the more system features that you use, the more money you have to pay, so you can't say that Qantas is taking the cheap option.

It will be interesting to see how many of the B744's will be refurbished as there are quite a few scheduled to go to the desert as more A380's arrive. Obviously the 6 B744 ER's and OJS/T/U will be updated but apart from that depends on how long the remaining aircraft will be in service.

Also, they may justify a business case to replace the R/C IFE system in the A330 fleet with the Panasonic system. Reliability issues have caused significant adverse Pax comments in market surveys.

[mmurray]

The Tiger Lounge

A380 buyer keeps mum about possible luxuries aboard cruise ship of the skies

It does look remarkably like that 2001 though.

Michael

PS: TinEye Reverse Image Search is excellent for image searches.

[Wod]

Having had a look at recent posts, seems to me that IFE systems (whoever makes them) are not as reliable as the airframes in which they are installed. They all make promises which they fail to keep in real-life situations.

I don't think it is about the competence of the airline marketeers.

Then again

[Bootstrap1]

The Panasonic IFE on the 380 is streets ahead of the Rockwell system. While no doubt it has some problems it is still a lot more stable and has less issues than the Rockwell system.

And we must thank Rockwell for not delivering their product on time for the 330s,this is how Panasonic came to be the preferred installation for pretty much the whole fleet from now on.
Hopefully QF arent getting screwed on the service contract by Panasonic like they were from Rockwell.

[Going Boeing]

Bootstrap, the initial R/C IFE system contract had a clause guaranteeing 97% servicability. Rockwell said that this could only be achieved if only their engineers touched the system (ie C/C & QF engineers were not allowed to attempt any rectifications initially). The fact that their engineers could not produce anywhere near the guaranteed reliability meant that there were significant penalty payments. When the warranty period expired, QF engineers took over the IFE servicing and from what I've seen, there has been a significant improvement in the reliability of the system (still not as good as our pax want). Installation of the R/C IFE into the original A330's was made even worse because Airbus wouldn't allow the R/C software engineers access to the "source codes" used by the A330 Cabin Computer system and thus there were significant problems getting the two systems to communicate seamlessly.

You are right about the Panasonic system being streets ahead of R/C. 2 Terrabytes of data storage, no hard-wiring of screens to cards in the main system, electronic data processing circuits in the base of each screen instead of in a box under the seat where people continually kick it, etc. It's at least a generation ahead of the R/C system

[RedTBar]

Having had a look at recent posts, seems to me that IFE systems (whoever makes them) are not as reliable as the airframes in which they are installed.

Is it not correct that a team from Toolose is in OZ trying to fix probs with the dugong?

They all make promises which they fail to keep in real-life situations.

That seems to be normal for a lot of computer software packages.

I don't think it is about the competence of the airline marketeers.

Was it true a few years ago with the release from marketing about the mel/jnb services with the problem that ops had to tell them that at certain times of the year it was not possible?
Maketing/sales is a lot like the spin team in political parties.What they would like and what they tell the public is not always reality.
Their job is to either beat the opposition or make it look like they are beating the opposition.whether this is reality or not does not matter.

[woody744]

Going Boeing, I beg to differ. At a special S/O briefing many moons ago, John Borghetti said "Geoff Dixon bought the Rockwell Collins system because it was cheap". This is word for word from his mouth. That is why Qantas bought it and no other reason! It was from that day we also knew the 2 didn't see eye to eye on many issues