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Old 3rd Nov 2009, 00:11
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Air nz to go with airbus

Air nz have decided to go with the A320 to replace the 737's, ordering 14, and optioning another 11,

Air NZ unveils billion dollar Airbus buy up - Business - NZ Herald News
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Old 3rd Nov 2009, 02:34
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Does that count the one they lost off the beach in France recently...

The one doing the end-of-lease check flight!

Whatever happenned there...I don't recall hearing anything!

...and their buying More!

they must be REALLY cheap right now..

Cheers...FD...
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Old 3rd Nov 2009, 02:58
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Does that count the one they lost off the beach in France recently
Boy, that was sensitive....d1ckhead. And it's they're, not their

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Old 3rd Nov 2009, 03:18
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"FD" as your profile indicates you are ex mil, you, for one, should know better..............
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Old 3rd Nov 2009, 03:51
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FD shame on you. Have some goddam respect man.

The report should be out in December I believe.

This decision has taken some by surprise, as many swore black and blue it was the 800's. Oh well, money talks...
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No doubt ANZ have scored a big discount here to get the airbus'. It makes sense though, as it is just not sensible to have a short/medium haul fleet of more than one type. Only option here was to either go all airbus or all boeing. Interesting though as when Jetstar started domestic ops in NZ with the A320 the post was full of negative comments saying that the A320 just doesn't work as a shorthaul aircraft, especially on thin routes like in NZ and that ANZ would only ever run the boeing because of this fact!!

As for the comment about the crashed A320, what a rediculous thing to say. If you really want to know 'what happened' there then I seriously suggest a bit of research, all the information is out in the open. I think you will find the loss had not a lot to do with aircraft issues and more to do with airmanship choices made on the day. Bloody insenitive and not at all relevant
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Old 3rd Nov 2009, 04:50
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Flight Detent,

CHEAP SHOT.
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Old 3rd Nov 2009, 05:44
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In 12 years of perusing this forum, I feel obliged to post only my third post. The motivation is the FD post above. I can't believe that any 'professionally minded pilot' could post a reply that shows such a complete lack of sensitivity.

The accident report will be likely published late this year. Even a light read through the available information would indicate, to any pilot whom had the slightest idea on how an accident occurs, that this tragic accident has all the hallmarks of a 'classic aircraft accident'.

James Reason strikes again!

RIP the ZK OJL crew.
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Poor man

Go easy on poor FD. He is ex military. He can't help it.
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Well, that explains his spelling then.
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Are they getting the containerised bus?

I remember some comments from ANZ when jitstar launched into the NZ market about the 'slow' turn arounds on the short haul routes with the containers.....
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Are they getting the containerised bus
By the sounds of it yes.

NZ mentioned today might use the new a320 on International while the old ones will be transferred to domestic.
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Old 4th Nov 2009, 07:39
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They could stick the old machines on domestic as they will be relatively low cycles, however it means they will need to remove the old interior and put in new domestic spec seats galleys etc. The cost of this may be worth it in the long run especially if the work coincides nicely with the old ones needing checks. The issue though may be the lack of brake cooling in the older machines, plus they were looking at HUDs in the new ones to help with RNP AR approaches as well as other little things.
Either way some of the new aircraft will end up on the domestic service as they getting 14 new and there are currently only 12 doing the internationals.
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Air New Zealand says to buy 14 Airbus A320 aircraft

WELLINGTON, Nov 3, 2009 (AFP) - Air New Zealand said Tuesday it will buy 14 new Airbus A320 aircraft to replace its domestic fleet of 15 Boeing 737-300 planes.

The airline said the 14 aircraft had a list price of more than one billion US dollars but added it had secured a discount to reflect market conditions.

"This is a very good time to buy aircraft," said Air New Zealand's short haul general manager Bruce Parton.

"The industry is at the bottom of a deep cycle, so demand for aircraft is limited, creating favourable conditions for buyers with strong balance sheets like Air New Zealand," Parton said.

As part of the agreement, Air New Zealand also has purchase rights for a further 11 aircraft.

Subject to details of the final contract, the first A320 aircraft is expected to be delivered in January 2011, with the fleet to be progressively introduced up to 2016.

Air New Zealand currently uses 12 A320 aircraft on short haul international routes and using the same aircraft on domestic routes would result in cost savings for the airline.

"Thanks to its fuel efficiency, the A320 will enable Air New Zealand to increase capacity on the domestic market while reducing carbon emissions," Parton said.

The current 737 fleet is configured with 133 seats, with the larger domestic A320 aircraft to likely have around 171 seats.

Air New Zealand said it had been evaluating options to replace the 737-300s for the past eight months.

More than 6,400 Airbus A320 aircraft have been sold to over 300 customers and operators worldwide, the airline said.

by Laurent Lozano (c) 2009 AFP
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Old 4th Nov 2009, 13:17
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are airnz considering A319's for some of the skinnier domestic routes and A321 for crossing the dutch???
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Yarn doing the rounds is that all new hires will be SOs. If that's the case then I think a few applicants will drop off the list of potential new hires.
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Old 4th Nov 2009, 23:21
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It'll be an interesting time to see how they handle the crew thing....I agree all new hires will likely end up as S/Os, but there will be a lot of current S/Os who end up on A320 F/O bypass pay if the current 737 drivers just swap types.
Could be a real catfight when a whole bunch of A320 F/O jobs are advertised and current domie F/Os are outbid....does that mean they drop back to being S/Os with associated major lifestyle upheavals? Maybe the new entry level payscales will be based on A320 money? (yeah, right!)
Likewise with captains....what if current 737 captains are outbid by (for example) over 60s? Bye-bye command, hello long haul?
I hope it is handled with some sensitivity....but more likely to be an utter shambles with the usual backstabbing/grab what you can regardless of others that is so typical of pilots in general.
I'll be watching to see what happens when the first new positions are advertised!
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Old 5th Nov 2009, 00:32
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I think no matter how they run the changeover a certain group will be disadvantaged, that's just a fact of life in this situation. The most likely method will be positions on pure seniority. They could pay a large number bypass to keep the current domestic pilots on the new type but that would most likely outweigh the cost of double training ie, training a 737 F/o to S/o and an S/o to A320 F/o as opposed to just a 737 F/o to A320 F/o.
When the 737 departs all new hires will have to be S/Os as that will be the lowest pay scale and the only entry level position.
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Old 5th Nov 2009, 01:46
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In the ideal world the position of S/O could be phased out and just have 2 F/Os. Entry level becomes A320 F/O
Unfortunately that is NEVER going to happen.
While the first frame is arriving relatively soon, the fleet is being introduced over the next 5 or 6 years so I cant see too many being displaced. There just might not be too much new hiring....
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And the money on what factory the equipment is going to come from? China or France?
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