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Old 21st Oct 2009, 23:52
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Last Chance Coming!

Posted without comment, AIPA AGM resolution as advised to AIPA's CoM:


BIR that Members present at the AIPA 2009 AGM direct the AIPA Committee of Management to hold and complete, within six months from today, on dates mutually acceptable, AIPA sponsored information sessions in Melbourne , Sydney and Brisbane to enable AIPA Past President, Captain Ian Woods and others to outline to those in attendance, why successfully settling the Qantas Sale Act Case (QSAC), is necessary to protect the careers of all Qantas Group Pilots

BIFR that no later than six month from today, but after the information sessions in Melbourne , Sydney and Brisbane have been held pursuant to above resolution, that Members present at the AIPA 2009 AGM, direct the AIPA Committee of Management to put the following plebiscite question to the entire AIPA Membership for its determination
  • Do you support AIPA’s continued funding of the Qantas Sale Act Case filed by Past President Captain Ian Woods on behalf of all AIPA Members to protect the careers of all Qantas Group Pilots?
BIFR that should a majority of AIPA’s Members vote in favour of AIPA’s continued funding of Captain Ian Woods’ Qantas Sale Act Case, that Members present at the AIPA 2009 AGM direct the AIPA Committee of Management to withdraw the AIPA Executive’s letter of instruction compelling Captain Ian Woods to discontinue the Qantas Sale Act matter and simultaneously ask Captain Ian Woods to recommence QSAC proceedings should Qantas Airways Limited not have already agreed with AIPA, a Group Opportunity Allocation List.
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 00:27
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Why is this posted on a public bulletin board?

Doesn't Qantas/AIPA have their own?
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 00:32
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I really think Captain I Woods has already waisted enough of AIPA's funds maybe he could use some of the money he made by suing other pilots...
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 03:53
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Clutching at straws and grandstanding!

It is my belief that the COM cannot be bound by a motion from the floor as to do so would remove director responsibility.
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 10:10
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Take a close look Mulder
ASSOCIATIONS INCORPORATION ACT 2009 - SECT 38

38 Voting generally

(1) A resolution is passed by an association as an "ordinary resolution":
(a) at a general meeting of the association, or
(b) in a postal ballot conducted by the association,
if it is supported by more than half of the votes cast by members of the association who, under the association’s constitution, are entitled to vote on the proposed resolution.
Tis hot off the press.
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 11:09
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Does not apply to federally registered unions/associations
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 11:28
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Spot on Pegagus.

Any idea in which State of the Commonwealth AIPA is registered?
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 11:47
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Mars! (I know this is not a State)
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 12:50
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I think you will find Capt Woods has been banned from the Qantas/AIPA website because he threatened to sue too many people.....

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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 21:35
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Talk about thread drift.
The resolution only seeks to ensure AIPA members have enough information to vote on.
Makes me think some people have something to hide?
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 23:30
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then post it on Qrewroom!
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 23:38
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He can't.

He was dumped from it due to his actions towards the administrator of the site.

He often, like this thread, has wonderful conversations with himself.

NURSE!!!!!!
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 00:06
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I see no problems with Ian putting the resolution forward. It'll either get up or it won't. Personally I'd like to hear both sides of the story on this issue. I'll be at the AGM to see how it goes.

Whether Ian has multiple nom de plume's on PPRuNe is somewhat irrelevant to the original post.

What is sad to see is that those who argue against the motion being put forward don't do so on the merits but rather attack the personalities and/or perceived motives. Sadly typical these days it seems.
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 00:39
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Hmmm! Why all the condemnation? Diversionary tactics perhaps?

If AIPA can satisfactorily explain to its members how it believes it can deal with the following concern raised by Mohikan:
'It is an open secret that the Boston Consulting plan for the Qantas 'group' is for 70% of existing destinations to be services exclusively by JQ and the rest by red tails.

Note that excluded to this is the B787 flying which will be done by contractors outside both seniority lists.'[/font]
On this thread: http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...-finished.html

Lack of concern about how the use of offshore pilots pilots can drive down QF & JQ terms and conditions, will sideline the AGM resolution.

If however, Members are not satisfied that their jobs and careers are protected, at least the pilots themselves will get to decide if they agree with the AIPA Executives' decision to shut the QSAC matter down at five minutes to midnight, despite legal advice that:
Both Senior Counsel retained by you and (we believe) Qantas Airways Limited were of the view that the proceeding if left on foot would be likely to succeed.
And personally, I would like to see the truth come out.
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 03:48
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"Take a close look Mulder
Quote:
ASSOCIATIONS INCORPORATION ACT 2009 - SECT 38

38 Voting generally

(1) A resolution is passed by an association as an "ordinary resolution":
(a) at a general meeting of the association, or
(b) in a postal ballot conducted by the association,
if it is supported by more than half of the votes cast by members of the association who, under the association’s constitution, are entitled to vote on the proposed resolution.
Tis hot off the press.


As i mentioned earlier this does not apply to "industrial Organisations"

Its for the likes of soccer clubs and non commercial or non profit organisations. If the AIPA COM is bound by a resolution of the membership it would be found in their rules registered with the Australian Industrial Registry
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 04:22
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Really Pegasus!
State or Federal jurisdiction?

Employer Name = "AUSTRALIAN INTERNATIONAL PILOTS ASSOC"

Employer Type = "Other Unincorporated Entity"

NSW Jurisdiction

If the employer is a sole trader or a partnership, this means that they are unincorporated and the employment relationship does not involve a constitutional corporation.

NSW industrial relations laws continue to apply and the information on this website is applicable to your workplace.
As such:
ASSOCIATIONS INCORPORATION ACT 2009 - SECT 38 APPLIES.
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 04:40
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GingerBread i hope that you are not the legal counsel that is advising AIPA or have been advising them in the past. It might explain why so much of their members money has been wasted on legal cases that are going nowhere...

Good luck with things if you think that you can rely on the argument that you are mounting in your last post as it will have less chance of getting off the ground than OQA
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 11:23
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At least Wooden Eye had the cojones to take on management.
All we see now is a repeat of that regime that should have been "Halted" before they delivered us unto this mess.

I've heard "Team Bazza" are now being refered to by numberous members on Comm as "Team Arsenal"
"The Gunners", gunna do this, gunna do that,
Yet nothing that will actually help pilot's future careers ever seems to be done.
Funny about that!
Just another repeat of that previously mentioned regime I've been told.
I guess time will tell if my source is correct or not.
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 13:04
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Guts or Balls...

There is a medical distinction. We've all heard about people having guts or balls, but do you really know the difference between them? In an effort to keep you informed, the definitions are listed below:

GUTS - Is arriving home late after a night out with the boys, being met by your wife with a broom, and having the guts to ask: ''Are you still cleaning, or are you flying somewhere?''

BALLS - Is coming home late after a night out with the boys, smelling of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your wife on the arse and having the balls to say: ''You're next, fatty.''

I hope this clears up any confusion on the definitions. Medically speaking, there is no difference in the outcome, since both ultimately result in death.



Yeah, he had balls, but on most occasions they ended up in his own mouth!
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 23:40
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Those up here looking down on what’s happening can’t make up their mind to laugh or cry.
By all means correct us if we’ve got the wrong end of the stick, but isn’t the issue, the use of offshore crews to drive down the standards and pay of Aussies, what’s out there.
Have told my young brother that he should high tail it up here if his colleagues aren’t interested enough to save their own skin.
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