Last Chance Coming!

[struggling]

Good analogy Blown

For those who don't know; Cassandra Complex is a term applied to situations where valid warnings or concerns are dismissed.

Given that AIPA is labouring under the misapprehension that the QSAC issue is about painting Qantas on the side of Jetstar aircraft and don’t seem to comprehend that it is really the company’s fear of having Jetstar International caught by the Sale Act, says it all.

Sorry to say it, but any chance to stop the Whip Sawing has just been waved off by apathy and myopic behaviour.

Last Chance Lost.

[Keg]

Given that AIPA is labouring under the misapprehension that the QSAC issue is about painting Qantas on the side of Jetstar aircraft.....

I disagree. Having been there today I was left in no uncertain terms that the AIPA President is well aware of what this case is really about and Ian himself was clear about the consequences of actually winning the case. I think there is furious agreement on the required long term outcomes however that this court case is the best way to further those outcomes is where the agreement diverges in a big way.

I must say that given Ian's comments, I'm not convinced that this is the best way to achieve what Ian stated that he wanted from the case. I've got no problems with having the bat sticking up from behind me and using it if the situation demands but when the use of said bat will result in an outcome that probably won't advance our case then I'm not convinced that even walking in with it showing serves our purposes. I won't go into greater depth on PPRUNE but my assessment of the case is 'high risk' in terms of outcomes for crew even if the case is actually decided in Ian's favour.

Anyway, there wasn't a quorum so it'll be fought another day. Whether it was indeed the 'last chance' is something that only hind sight will show.

[noip]

I was disappointed to see that Ian was long on assertions and short on evidence.

I am not necessarily opposed to his viewpoint, however I think that his arguments need to be more cogent and logical. He was not helped by his legal "evidence" telling AIPA that this was a case not worth pursuing.

I need more convincing...

N

[wombat watcher]

Ian was long on assertions and short on evidence

Spot on. Has always the case in every one of his uncontrolled rampages.

He was not helped by his legal "evidence"

His advisors have a long record in supplying sympathetic advice no doubt because of the generous and continuing fees it provides. Trouble is he is not astute enough realise this however.

You joined two years ago, you have posted 5 times and your singular area of interest is bagging Woodeye.

Your dead right. The damage this man has done to QF pilots and to the cause of QF pilots in a number of issues is breathtaking. The real problem is that he doesn't understand that and he still has a number of believers following him.

[WoodenEye]

For the record, AIPA was informed by its own lawyers:

'We have no information as to what led AIPA COM to see the discontinuance of the proceeding as being advantageous to AIPA or Qantas Pilots. Both Senior Counsel retained by you and (we believe) Qantas Airways Limited were of the view that the proceeding if left on foot would be likely to succeed.'

AIPA pulled the case the night before the scheduled hearing.

As Keg has said:

..there wasn't a quorum so it'll be fought another day. Whether it was indeed the 'last chance' is something that only hind sight will show...

[noip]

WW

Careful you aren't quoting myself and others out of your zeal against Ian. He may be controversial, BUT it is always possible he has something of value.

I don't support him, BUT I'd like to see a reasoned argument. At the moment, I don't see one.


N

[Keg]

Another thing to point out is that a few protagonists made it difficult for Ian to even get his case across. There were some petty interruptions that were inappropriate and thankfully the President was able to allow Ian the chance to speak.

[Gingerbread]

Looks like the Kiwi's aren't going to let the bear the cost..

New Zealand will begin charging Australian-licensed carriers operating on domestic routes a passenger safety levy ...The only carrier affected is Australia's Jetstar, which had avoided the levy as it operates domestic services in New Zealand under an Australian air operator's certificate, instead of a New Zealand AOC.

Perhaps it's time for a rethink?