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Old 7th Oct 2009, 02:43
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Qantas to employ 100 apprentice engineers.

From today's Flightglobal

Qantas employing 100 apprentice engineers

The 92%figure quoted is interesting.
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Old 7th Oct 2009, 04:24
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Let's hope that these young people get to complete their apprenticeships, unlike many that have preceeded them, and that they go on to enjoy long and successful careers!
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KB , only one class in the last 20 years did not graduate 1997 , thank you Mr Toomey. Good news , for the AME's . They stuck , not like their lame mates. Bludgers
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and that they go on to enjoy long and successful careers!
Wish this was the case. But unfortunately they will end up stuck at an AME level, with little propect of ever becoming a LAME unless they wish to move far away from home. These poor young lads are being trained in a highly specialised field, with no recognised qualifications outside of the indusrty, in what has basically become a dead end job. And that's just the start, lets hope none of them tick the "Avionics" box!!
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cheap labour!!!
thats how you keep your expenses down.

Good luck to the chosen ones, i wish you all the best!
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Old 7th Oct 2009, 07:55
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Good to see some movement with respect to recruitment! Goodness, how quickly we lose sight of what could have happened with retrenchments only 4-6 months ago.

Bigger picture peoples.
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Old 7th Oct 2009, 08:21
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I know I have been wound up, but really!!

Originally Posted by Ngineer
These poor young lads are being trained in a highly specialised field,
I'm the employer, what field would I train them in??

Originally Posted by plasticmerc
cheap labour!!!
thats how you keep your expenses down.
Apprentices cost money, they don't represent cheap labour. The investment is in their potential. Maybe a year 4 is a breakeven proposition from an employer point of view.

And not all QF apprentices, at the end of their apprenticeships, are employed by QF. But aviation benefits.

Applies to all major employers in all mainstream industries.
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What % of these apprentices can expect to get a licence out of QF?
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Apprentices cost money, they don't represent cheap labour.
Subsidised by the gov. (And alot cheaper than an AME/LAME). And not guaranteed employment after completion.

Watching an AME complete an engineering apprenticeship these days is obviously a little bit off field to how you would percieve it to be WOD. Or maybe you might speak to a few of those who have recently completed theirs.
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Old 7th Oct 2009, 11:46
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Been there done that would never work for them again..Alot of mates went back only to be again layed off!! Im sure they will get plenty of people apply but i certainly wouldnt recommend it..
Ps the only box to tick is Avionics for those that apply...
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What % of these apprentices can expect to get a licence out of QF?
Under current management, most likely zero.
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Old 8th Oct 2009, 07:19
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Sorry guys, but I still don't get your point.

Should QF simply stop the apprenticeship scheme and rely on someone else to produce appropriately qualified staff to meet its requirements?

It would certainly save QF a motza in the short term, and as an employer of choice (no sarcasm intended) they could probably poach qualified AME/LAME from around the smaller outfits and the military whenever needed..

Is that your proposal?
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Old 8th Oct 2009, 07:43
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What a sooky pack of girls half of you lot are!

The apprenticeship scheme is terrific! The QF apprenticeship scheme in particular is an amazing opportunity for a school leaver (or anyone else these days) to learn skills, learn the industry, be with great people and to get paid at the same time!!!!!!!

What are the alternatives? Paying money to attend some half arsed uni. aviation management course? Become an educated idiot?

Good luck to those applying for next years QF apprenticeship. Try really hard, it is well worth it! You'll come out after 4 years with skills to fix aeroplanes, the confidence to tackle jobs around your house and looking beyond your trade; a basis on which to build your chosen aviation career!

Good luck people!!!

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What are the alternatives? Paying money to attend some half arsed uni. aviation management course?
Maybe an engineering cadetship with Energy Australia, or an electrical or building trade. There are plenty of options for school leavers.

I am simply stating the facts from experience. I have even seen an apprentice who had another job as a manager for KFC! Guess which job paid more, and guess where his commitments, therefore, were. There are a few AME's out there working part time jobs to make ends meet because they are being paid less than cleaners!

Last year we saw heaps of AME's walk out the door due to no career path. The reason behind this has yet to be addressed.

Mr Buzzy, I may have agreed with your comments 12 years ago, but not now. Infact I doubt that many in Engineering would.
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i had a great apprenticeship a HDH Bankstown,and ended up at the Rat due to there being no on else to work for really in Sydney on airframes, that paid a half descent wage.once i got there i found the wages to be terrible,but ha i got my 747 license in a short time only to be shown the door in 2006 with 450 others,i now manage a liquor store with a much brighter future than aircraft maintenance engineers in Australia.sad really because i really did love the game,but i have a family to feed.....
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An apprentice who lives more than 60odd Km from home gets living away from home allowance and circa 03 was around $80 per week tax free.

Others living more than 65Km from TAFE also get traveling allowance too.

From a class of 15 we had 4 End up wanting jobs at the end of there time.

Expect to see at least half of that 50 to apply or less wanting job with the current state of engineering.
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Unfortunately, its to little, to late. There is already a shortage of engineers, and none of these apprentices will graduate until 2014...
They should of had some foresight and employed 5-6 years ago.
QF also lost the plot when they closed down the Melb apprentice school (after 40+ years) and tendered it out to Kangan Tafe

HR must also take some flak for employing 52 year old 1st year apprentices!!!!! what exactly were they thinking???
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He's 58 actually.. 62 when he becomes qualified so they'll get 3 years out of him before he retires.

The only good thing about these apprenticeships are that the kangan tafe courses run in parallel with Aviation Australia, so that all the training done at tafe actually goes towards the casa basics.

Also from that article;
"He says Qantas needs to have more engineers so it can handle more aircraft maintenance work."
Well in melbourne there's a very large percentage of ame/lame that are over 50. So in the next 10 years, qantas better start training up some more ame's otherwise there'll be an even larger shortage then there currently is. Actually it probably doesn't matter, maintenance will go offshore anyway
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Old 14th Oct 2009, 13:38
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What's on offer here.....

They are promised a trade, not a lifelong job, me thinks. You need to work hard for that don't you? ....unless there is such a thing as an apprentice LAME. Oh! I forgot...there is, a sh^tload of them been around for 20+ years just pushing areoplanes around the tarmac.

What about apprentice ground handlers? Now there's a career going places.

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Old 20th May 2010, 21:47
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To arbite

The Aviation Australia exams do not count towards CASA Basics. I should know as I have done AA course and I would have resit all the CASA exams if I wanted a CASA license (and part of me does but $$$) as the CAO 100.66 / Part 66 license is only going to be use to organisations like Qantas, Jetstar, Virgin and maybe Tiger. For the vast bulk of MROs in Australia the existing system seems to be ok.
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