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Want to lever staff watch them get more disengaged and disinterested.
Some believe the current association is a stain on the premium airlines model.
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Its All About Choice
OchreOgre - Not 100% sure about NRT, but yes, JQ cart around cargo and mail. Basically as most people are aware, they sponge/share/borrow/bleed/milk and extract anything and everything they can from Big Brother, but then naturally pull a 'Sargent Shultz' and 'no nothing' when queried about their cosiness !!
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More of the same crap here.
Yes Jet* Aust time in the sun is over, domestic wont expand much more, enter Brucestar that being J*NZ and the revitalised J*Asia.
Same arguement will continue this time towards Brucestar, Where are the costs,where are the costs and bloody Brucestar scabs
This is not my position I am just looking into my crystal ball. Lets not go down that track this time around.
Lets stop throwing mud like children, this does not help our cause.
Yes Jet* Aust time in the sun is over, domestic wont expand much more, enter Brucestar that being J*NZ and the revitalised J*Asia.
Same arguement will continue this time towards Brucestar, Where are the costs,where are the costs and bloody Brucestar scabs
This is not my position I am just looking into my crystal ball. Lets not go down that track this time around.Lets stop throwing mud like children, this does not help our cause.
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Absolutely correct Spinner...
The concept is proven, was a few years ago. Now what does J* Australia and her pilot group choose to do?
Buchanan is an absolute featherweight, his "aviation knowledge" is confined to quaffing chardonnay and getting caught playing..tsk tsk (hardly makes him unique) He was Boston consulting, a necessary requisite for the sort of BS that is allowed to pass as aviation strategy in Australia. That philosophy starts with Abalone(transport minister) and only gets worse...
So Bruce will stay on message until it is too late to stop him...Unless the pilots choose to take them on.........
J connect will replace J* as the new greatest thing, or is that J* Asia or Vietnam??
The concept is proven, was a few years ago. Now what does J* Australia and her pilot group choose to do?
Buchanan is an absolute featherweight, his "aviation knowledge" is confined to quaffing chardonnay and getting caught playing..tsk tsk (hardly makes him unique) He was Boston consulting, a necessary requisite for the sort of BS that is allowed to pass as aviation strategy in Australia. That philosophy starts with Abalone(transport minister) and only gets worse...
So Bruce will stay on message until it is too late to stop him...Unless the pilots choose to take them on.........
J connect will replace J* as the new greatest thing, or is that J* Asia or Vietnam??
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What The
Are you that bl%ody naive. This is exactly why comments from pilots count for zilch.
Throw in a global finacial crisis, pig flu and a 30% higher cost structure. Are you out of Kindy yet?
Now where's that band-wagon. It's nice to know Australia's aviation future is in such safe hands.
Are you that bl%ody naive. This is exactly why comments from pilots count for zilch.
Throw in a global finacial crisis, pig flu and a 30% higher cost structure. Are you out of Kindy yet?
Now where's that band-wagon. It's nice to know Australia's aviation future is in such safe hands.
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Sad part is, it is actually true.
$1000 less per passenger. Same passengers.
Nothing to do with the GFC but all to do with the Jetstar model of lowest airfares in order to stimulate the market.
What has been finally proven is that this is rubbish.
They stimulated their egos, not the market.
As a result, Qantas shareholders lost hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue.
Enough said really.
$1000 less per passenger. Same passengers.
Nothing to do with the GFC but all to do with the Jetstar model of lowest airfares in order to stimulate the market.
What has been finally proven is that this is rubbish.
They stimulated their egos, not the market.
As a result, Qantas shareholders lost hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue.
Enough said really.
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What is Onestar's OTP out of NRT? Easy answer (from their very own airport manager) it's VERY POOR! Not only are the same passenger's now paying less per seat, therefore less yield to the QF group, but they would be unlikely to continue using Onestar if they are continually late!
Way to lose buisness.
Keep up the good job - in serious need a of a sarcasm font.
Way to lose buisness.
Keep up the good job - in serious need a of a sarcasm font.
There are "signs of an upturn" in the number of airline passengers on first or business class -- a measure of business confidence and the most lucrative sector for carriers, IATA said on Thursday.
Latest July statistics from the International Air Transport Association add to flickering signs of recovery in the economy but offer little relief for battered finances of airlines themselves since yields remain low, the Geneva group said.
In July the number of premium travellers on international markets fell 14.1 percent compared with the same month last year, but this was less than the 21.3 percent decline in June.
"Premium travel correlated with world trade which bottomed in May and started rising in June, but further rises are forecast to be relatively weak," IATA said in a monthly report.
Yields, or average revenue per seat sold, fell 23 percent in July and premium revenues fell 35-40 percent, IATA said.
Economy travel fell 1.2 percent in July.
"Passenger numbers are now starting to turn up but there is a long way to go before activity returns to levels seen in 2007 and early 2008," IATA said.
"Moreover, with economic growth forecast to be relatively weak and much excess capacity (in the market), the problem of low yields remains."
On Tuesday IATA raised its forecast for total airline losses in 2009 by USD$2 billion to USD$11 billion.
(Reuters)
Latest July statistics from the International Air Transport Association add to flickering signs of recovery in the economy but offer little relief for battered finances of airlines themselves since yields remain low, the Geneva group said.
In July the number of premium travellers on international markets fell 14.1 percent compared with the same month last year, but this was less than the 21.3 percent decline in June.
"Premium travel correlated with world trade which bottomed in May and started rising in June, but further rises are forecast to be relatively weak," IATA said in a monthly report.
Yields, or average revenue per seat sold, fell 23 percent in July and premium revenues fell 35-40 percent, IATA said.
Economy travel fell 1.2 percent in July.
"Passenger numbers are now starting to turn up but there is a long way to go before activity returns to levels seen in 2007 and early 2008," IATA said.
"Moreover, with economic growth forecast to be relatively weak and much excess capacity (in the market), the problem of low yields remains."
On Tuesday IATA raised its forecast for total airline losses in 2009 by USD$2 billion to USD$11 billion.
(Reuters)
Qantas yet to see signs of improvement
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As usual, Qantas is talking it down again...
As usual, Qantas is talking it down again...
Sydney Morning Herald
September 21, 2009 - 10:19AM
National carrier Qantas Airways Ltd says it is yet to see substantial improvements in business conditions.
Chairman Leigh Clifford said in the company's annual report on Monday that there was significant uncertainty surrounding an economic recovery.
"The global economic outlook remains uncertain and we are yet to see substantial improvements in underlying business conditions," he said.
"Many factors are in play that could affect the timing of the recovery.
"Uncertainty is also being created through significant capacity increases, domestically and internationally, by Qantas Group competitors, some of whom enjoy very favourable taxation and other arrangements."
In August, Qantas announced a $117 million net profit for 2008/09, down 88 per cent from the previous year.
Demand for flights has weakened in the second half of the financial year due to the economic slowdown, swine flu and increased capacity by on competitor carriers.
In response, Qantas announced plans to cut costs by $1.5 billion over the next three years, starting with a target of $500 million this financial year.
Key components of the cost-cutting plan include reconfiguring aircraft, including the superjumbo A380, technology advancements and fuel conservation.
Mr Clifford said the Qantas group was well positioned to withstand the economic downturn and seize opportunities during a recovery.
September 21, 2009 - 10:19AM
National carrier Qantas Airways Ltd says it is yet to see substantial improvements in business conditions.
Chairman Leigh Clifford said in the company's annual report on Monday that there was significant uncertainty surrounding an economic recovery.
"The global economic outlook remains uncertain and we are yet to see substantial improvements in underlying business conditions," he said.
"Many factors are in play that could affect the timing of the recovery.
"Uncertainty is also being created through significant capacity increases, domestically and internationally, by Qantas Group competitors, some of whom enjoy very favourable taxation and other arrangements."
In August, Qantas announced a $117 million net profit for 2008/09, down 88 per cent from the previous year.
Demand for flights has weakened in the second half of the financial year due to the economic slowdown, swine flu and increased capacity by on competitor carriers.
In response, Qantas announced plans to cut costs by $1.5 billion over the next three years, starting with a target of $500 million this financial year.
Key components of the cost-cutting plan include reconfiguring aircraft, including the superjumbo A380, technology advancements and fuel conservation.
Mr Clifford said the Qantas group was well positioned to withstand the economic downturn and seize opportunities during a recovery.
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The Apprentice
Qf introduced a sly little plan some years ago. They internally have a 'mentoring'program, in which the most senior QF Execs choose 'an apprentice' whom they teach, mentor, indoctrinate and groom. These 'apprentices' end up in the senior ranks at QF. Years ago the QF Exec only groomed an internal QF 'apprentice', but recent years QF people groomed some JQ Managers and then pulled those JQ Managers over to QF.No outsider walks into the upper Echelons of QF without prior grooming. Simple as that, and a true fact.It takes time, and money, but like I said, its like the 'underworld'.No wonder John Travolta is so well accepted within the Roo, similar structures ??
The truth is that the QF Group is very strategic, organised and underground so to speak. There is a silent society of Managers and 'consultants' who run the joint like the Mafia.Trying to unravel the web cant be done unless you are basically born into the QF upper echelon, or unless you have spent years watching the dirty little processes take place from a position of trust, like what I have done.
The Group in general, including JQ, wont dissapear in a hurry,or overnight. As for the debate over Latestars longevity, they will exist and grow as long as they make money, which they actually do. Yes, lots of book juggling takes place, but at the end of the day the Investors couldnt give a toss whether the bulk of the profits came from the removal of passengers **** via the honeycarts, so long as a profit is turned.
The truth is that the QF Group is very strategic, organised and underground so to speak. There is a silent society of Managers and 'consultants' who run the joint like the Mafia.Trying to unravel the web cant be done unless you are basically born into the QF upper echelon, or unless you have spent years watching the dirty little processes take place from a position of trust, like what I have done.
The Group in general, including JQ, wont dissapear in a hurry,or overnight. As for the debate over Latestars longevity, they will exist and grow as long as they make money, which they actually do. Yes, lots of book juggling takes place, but at the end of the day the Investors couldnt give a toss whether the bulk of the profits came from the removal of passengers **** via the honeycarts, so long as a profit is turned.
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Where will Jetstar NZ earn its money?
1.Jetstar NZ's Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Darwin and Perth pilot bases. See TTMRA and government negotiations from both sides of the ditch leading to that.
2.Jetstar NZ's Auckland based A330s operating trans Pacific and into Asia. Who needs A330s based in Oz? Dreamin? The race is on. To the bottom that is.
1.Jetstar NZ's Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Darwin and Perth pilot bases. See TTMRA and government negotiations from both sides of the ditch leading to that.
2.Jetstar NZ's Auckland based A330s operating trans Pacific and into Asia. Who needs A330s based in Oz? Dreamin? The race is on. To the bottom that is.
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Numbers don't lie and comments by Leigh are in-line with Qantas forward bookings.
You can take your point as to whether it was Mark Twain or Benjamin Disraeli who said there are three types of lies...
Lies
Damn Lies
And Statistics...
