Qantas In 5 Years Time?
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Thanks Upper, some are not as old as I thought
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the bus is NOT and i repeat NOT a domestic aircraft get some more new 767's they are the real workhourse for the dom fleet....no more fifi's good girl fifi staaaaay stay
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is the B767 line still open?
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Good take on the future of the Qantas Group has been aired on Business Sunday.
Is available from:Qantas profits drop 90pc - Inside Business - ABC
You'll need Broardband Flash, to view the interview between Alan Joyce and Alan Kohler.
Is available from:Qantas profits drop 90pc - Inside Business - ABC
You'll need Broardband Flash, to view the interview between Alan Joyce and Alan Kohler.
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Joyce's Script Writer
The absolute nonsense that masqerades as CEO commentary is mindboggling.
Qantas has been flying to Japan for over 45 years and up until a few years ago had a name for quality.Then the 743s arrived and continually broke down.This did a lot of damage to QFs reputation.But to suggest that GeoffsTart is better known is laughable.
Unfortunately Qantas' days in this market are numbered.This will bring about an even further decline in japanese tourism to Australia
The rhetoric is the same as Dixon's just with an Irish accent.
Qantas has been flying to Japan for over 45 years and up until a few years ago had a name for quality.Then the 743s arrived and continually broke down.This did a lot of damage to QFs reputation.But to suggest that GeoffsTart is better known is laughable.
Unfortunately Qantas' days in this market are numbered.This will bring about an even further decline in japanese tourism to Australia
The rhetoric is the same as Dixon's just with an Irish accent.
TL,
completely agree and share your optimism.My understanding is that there is something in the order of 300 jq pilots who are now AIPA members.Good progress considering there were only about 5 members 12months ago.
Waren9,
also agree about the apathy amongst certain members of the group but attitudes appear to be changing. There would only be around 120 B1900 drivers left in a group of about 600.Lets not tar everyone with the same brush.
completely agree and share your optimism.My understanding is that there is something in the order of 300 jq pilots who are now AIPA members.Good progress considering there were only about 5 members 12months ago.
Waren9,
also agree about the apathy amongst certain members of the group but attitudes appear to be changing. There would only be around 120 B1900 drivers left in a group of about 600.Lets not tar everyone with the same brush.
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QF Choir . . .
Good point Hoss . . . but I must say that I am affronted by the ‘decadent’ use of money to fund and air such extravagant advertisements on prime time TV.
In my view, the advertisements belong to another ‘pre-recession’ era where we were all spending money as if there was no tomorrow. It takes a LOT of individual passenger fares to LAX to pay for such a campaign. I think savvy customers are focussing on value IF they are choosing to travel and not the ‘feel good factor’ of which company transports them to their destination.
IMHO, the advertisements reflect the brand as being ‘yesterday’ and ‘legacy’ and all of a sudden the Jet* brand is looking fresh and lively.
But that’s just my view – the advisements may well work and the customers may well flock back to the higher cost ‘mainline’ brand.
Please feel free to disagree!
Cheers
Pedota
In my view, the advertisements belong to another ‘pre-recession’ era where we were all spending money as if there was no tomorrow. It takes a LOT of individual passenger fares to LAX to pay for such a campaign. I think savvy customers are focussing on value IF they are choosing to travel and not the ‘feel good factor’ of which company transports them to their destination.
IMHO, the advertisements reflect the brand as being ‘yesterday’ and ‘legacy’ and all of a sudden the Jet* brand is looking fresh and lively.
But that’s just my view – the advisements may well work and the customers may well flock back to the higher cost ‘mainline’ brand.
Please feel free to disagree!
Cheers
Pedota
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Warren9 and Packs On
You guys are kidding yourselves. Apathy is not just confined to the ex 1900 drivers. As I see it there is 5 groups of pilots in Jetstar, if you want to think that way.
-ex 1900 drivers
-ex 717 drivers that had overseas Jet experience and never flew the 1900
-the initial Jetstar management pilots and mates (ex Ansett post dispute).
-other ex Ansett post dispute pilots that eventually got in (not the chief pilot mates)
-pre 89ers that finally got a chance to come home after the above two groups
-newbys GA/Qlink/Rex etc
It would be nice if we could at least consider ourselves as one group of pilots "Jetstar pilots" as we push forwards to be one group of pilots "Qantas group pilots"
In my opinion they are all as pathethic as each other in the "I am alright thanks Jack" stakes, but slowly things are changing. I am begining to realise that it is simply in pilots nature to look after number one no matter what company they previously or currently work for, very disappointing.
You guys are kidding yourselves. Apathy is not just confined to the ex 1900 drivers. As I see it there is 5 groups of pilots in Jetstar, if you want to think that way.
-ex 1900 drivers
-ex 717 drivers that had overseas Jet experience and never flew the 1900
-the initial Jetstar management pilots and mates (ex Ansett post dispute).
-other ex Ansett post dispute pilots that eventually got in (not the chief pilot mates)
-pre 89ers that finally got a chance to come home after the above two groups
-newbys GA/Qlink/Rex etc
It would be nice if we could at least consider ourselves as one group of pilots "Jetstar pilots" as we push forwards to be one group of pilots "Qantas group pilots"
In my opinion they are all as pathethic as each other in the "I am alright thanks Jack" stakes, but slowly things are changing. I am begining to realise that it is simply in pilots nature to look after number one no matter what company they previously or currently work for, very disappointing.
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Probably not just the mind set of Aussie pilots Toolish?
The nature of Australian industrial life has seemingly been built around adversarial arge-barge where the 'gladiator' with the best resources, most cunning and/or the most determination get’s the Lion’s share.
Nonetheless, pleased to read in The Australian today:
One can only hope that the GFC has provided good reason for all concerned to craft a better Industrial Landscape.
The nature of Australian industrial life has seemingly been built around adversarial arge-barge where the 'gladiator' with the best resources, most cunning and/or the most determination get’s the Lion’s share.
Nonetheless, pleased to read in The Australian today:
JULIA Gillard today will concede that Australia's industrial relations culture is holding back the productivity boost promised by her new workplace system.
The Deputy Prime Minister's push follows business complaints that the new Fair Work Australia system is entrenching an outmoded adversarial workplace culture based on the industrial tribunal, the unions and awards.
Full article available at:Gillard seeks 'cultural change' in the workplace | The Australian
The Deputy Prime Minister's push follows business complaints that the new Fair Work Australia system is entrenching an outmoded adversarial workplace culture based on the industrial tribunal, the unions and awards.
Full article available at:Gillard seeks 'cultural change' in the workplace | The Australian
One can only hope that the GFC has provided good reason for all concerned to craft a better Industrial Landscape.
Toolish,
I may have hit a nerve, however it certainly wasnt my intent.I am one of those ex 1900 drivers who considers himself incredibly fortunate. The message I was trying to convey was that at least the trend vector is heading the right direction WRT the majority joining one industrial body.I just hope the trend continues.
I may have hit a nerve, however it certainly wasnt my intent.I am one of those ex 1900 drivers who considers himself incredibly fortunate. The message I was trying to convey was that at least the trend vector is heading the right direction WRT the majority joining one industrial body.I just hope the trend continues.
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Toolish
I was not tarring all with the same brush. Not my intention.
Agree with your view of the seperate "groups" that make up JQ pilots but its (with a few exceptions) the 1900/717 guys who are sitting back with the whole "Whats AIPA doing for me?" attitude.
If every pilot took that attitude, there'd be no progress at all.
In the words of a US President once, "Its not what your Union can do for you. Its what you can do......."
Or something like that. I would suggest that its these guys with the most history in the company that have the most to contribute and arguably have the greatest vested interest in long term outcomes, yet they sit back expecting results before joining the union, if indeed they do at all.
It doesnt work like that.
I was not tarring all with the same brush. Not my intention.
Agree with your view of the seperate "groups" that make up JQ pilots but its (with a few exceptions) the 1900/717 guys who are sitting back with the whole "Whats AIPA doing for me?" attitude.
If every pilot took that attitude, there'd be no progress at all.
In the words of a US President once, "Its not what your Union can do for you. Its what you can do......."
Or something like that. I would suggest that its these guys with the most history in the company that have the most to contribute and arguably have the greatest vested interest in long term outcomes, yet they sit back expecting results before joining the union, if indeed they do at all.
It doesnt work like that.
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John Alwyn-Jones at TravelBlackboard says:
Get the full story from: The times they are a changing in Qantas - etravelblackboard.com
Times they are a changing in Qantas and sooner that we or their staff might ever have thought possible, with Joyce also saying last week that Jetstar plans to fly to Southern Europe within two years, with Athens, Rome and Milan on the cards following the delivery of new long-haul A330 aircraft later next year.
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Change at Qantas
Change has been a constant companion at Qantas since privatisation so whats with the surprise by journos?
Qantas will continue to change and adapt.
But just like the railways in NSW it has been poorly managed for years.
Fines for collusion, wrong aircraft types,low morale,aging equipment,bonuses for incompetence.This list is long.
Qantas will continue to change and adapt.
But just like the railways in NSW it has been poorly managed for years.
Fines for collusion, wrong aircraft types,low morale,aging equipment,bonuses for incompetence.This list is long.
