SYD Airport Security Confiscates "Dangerous" Tuna
...a mass inside of 185g. This is held to be the "equivalent" of a volume of 185ml of pure water.
How much space does one kilo of lead occupy compared to the space one kilo of water occupies? Extend the resultant answer to water and tuna.
If you're desperate, try emptying a tuna can and filling it with water, then measuring how much it holds so you can see if you're right. A 266gm tube of toothpaste holds a volume of 175ml of toothpaste. Or lead or tuna or anything else. Looks like you're out of luck!
Personally I'd just buy a new can of tuna or pay for a Hilton burger with my allowances.
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room service
Again I say not all hotels have room service available at 0300
My purchase of tuna is an attempt to eat healthily.
Eating food at restaurants or hotel room service on a regular basis is detrimental to one's health.
When I am contacted by the AOOTS the result will be carried with me and shown to the offending nincompoop
It should be noted that SYD is the only australian port where tuna is a problem.
The prohibiton of tuna is not evident on any government website.
Next time I will take 3 cans of tuna and let the prick open one and measure the contents.
Tell me Eclan has there ever been a recorded incident of an Aircraft being hijacked or disabled by 185grms of tuna or 8mls of fluid prior to the current security checks.
Tuna is also not an issue in any American port.I buy it and consume it onboard.
Why ?
Because crew meals are crappe
Excellent source of protein and omega3s
Try some .
It will improve your mental acuity
i
My purchase of tuna is an attempt to eat healthily.
Eating food at restaurants or hotel room service on a regular basis is detrimental to one's health.
When I am contacted by the AOOTS the result will be carried with me and shown to the offending nincompoop
It should be noted that SYD is the only australian port where tuna is a problem.
The prohibiton of tuna is not evident on any government website.
Next time I will take 3 cans of tuna and let the prick open one and measure the contents.
Tell me Eclan has there ever been a recorded incident of an Aircraft being hijacked or disabled by 185grms of tuna or 8mls of fluid prior to the current security checks.
Tuna is also not an issue in any American port.I buy it and consume it onboard.
Why ?
Because crew meals are crappe
Excellent source of protein and omega3s
Try some .
It will improve your mental acuity
i
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lets just put a few things into perspective....
firstly the people that work in screening security at the airport probably earn less than the people working inside at Krispy Kreams..
Secondly and more importantly you need to think about who is actually running security at the airport and most shopping centres and night clubs in sydney and around australia.
As i said to someone in Qantas Security the other day it looks to me by appearances that Al Qaeda is running the international terminal , hezzbolah is running the qantas domestic terminal and the PLO is running the Virgin/Jetstar terminal.
As a sideline they all have a monopoly on the taxi ranks and the westfield shopping trolleys
firstly the people that work in screening security at the airport probably earn less than the people working inside at Krispy Kreams..
Secondly and more importantly you need to think about who is actually running security at the airport and most shopping centres and night clubs in sydney and around australia.
As i said to someone in Qantas Security the other day it looks to me by appearances that Al Qaeda is running the international terminal , hezzbolah is running the qantas domestic terminal and the PLO is running the Virgin/Jetstar terminal.
As a sideline they all have a monopoly on the taxi ranks and the westfield shopping trolleys
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Agreed Pegasus on the Airport Security detail.
That was the hole in security with 9/11. Catering and cleaning companies were lowest bidders for security contracts, so they got the gig.
I guess it was FM Tuna - AM Tuna would have got through.
On the last 12 trips through MEL security, my laptop and I have been pulled aside 8 times for the bomb check. I do not mind at all or complaind but Muhammed al Farouk and his swarthy rels behind me breeze through. it just makes me wonder. I could take out the entire T1 in Melbourne with a decent fart after a Melbourne market bratwurst (ask me for directions to the legendary bratwust stall!!) but they could take out the Airport!
best all
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That was the hole in security with 9/11. Catering and cleaning companies were lowest bidders for security contracts, so they got the gig.
I guess it was FM Tuna - AM Tuna would have got through.
On the last 12 trips through MEL security, my laptop and I have been pulled aside 8 times for the bomb check. I do not mind at all or complaind but Muhammed al Farouk and his swarthy rels behind me breeze through. it just makes me wonder. I could take out the entire T1 in Melbourne with a decent fart after a Melbourne market bratwurst (ask me for directions to the legendary bratwust stall!!) but they could take out the Airport!
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Sorry to say it Bullstrode but it's partly because of the IGNORANT that things get worse and not better in the security scene. Your tuna case is a perfect example. It's all been pointed out to you here but all you can think about is how much water might or might not be in the can and whether or not it could be used as a weapon. If you really work in the airline industry then surely you're not that dim. Hang on.... are you cabin crew???
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Originally Posted by tobzalp
... the stupidest peoeple in society trying to protect us from the most dangerous threat in the modern world...
As to the original topic -make as much grief for the Richard Cranium's as you can man, more power to your wrist!
The funniest part of this tale (or tail) is that the lid of the can is the most dangerous part of the item once the can is opened. Mate check tuna with your crew baggage...problem solved...or buy Tuna at destination port. Or for regular hotels, rent a safety deposit box and leave a stash behind for next time or perhaps...
Yes, I take your point.
Edit: I just checked a 185g can in the pantry, it is quite large. Why not buy more of the smaller cans, they should be under 100g of "volume" if you get my point.
Yes, I take your point.
Edit: I just checked a 185g can in the pantry, it is quite large. Why not buy more of the smaller cans, they should be under 100g of "volume" if you get my point.
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It should be noted that SYD is the only australian port where tuna is a problem.
The prohibiton of tuna is not evident on any government website.
Next time I will take 3 cans of tuna and let the prick open one and measure the contents.
Tell me Eclan has there ever been a recorded incident of an Aircraft being hijacked or disabled by 185grms of tuna or 8mls of fluid prior to the current security checks.
Tuna is also not an issue in any American port.I buy it and consume it onboard.
The prohibiton of tuna is not evident on any government website.
Next time I will take 3 cans of tuna and let the prick open one and measure the contents.
Tell me Eclan has there ever been a recorded incident of an Aircraft being hijacked or disabled by 185grms of tuna or 8mls of fluid prior to the current security checks.
Tuna is also not an issue in any American port.I buy it and consume it onboard.
Just check it in next time and save yourself a headache.
It does sound like you need a big improvement of mental acuity so you had better double your intake of tuna, or give up because it's not working yet.
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This is one of the reasons why LAGS was introduced.
If it means I can't take my tin of tuna on board, so be it!
Mother of Satan ;triacetone triperoxide, peroxyacetone,
TATP has been identified in explosive devices in a number of cases involving terrorists. Richard Reid, who attempted to down American Airlines Flight 63 with a bomb concealed in his shoe, possessed a device containing plastic explosive with a TATP trigger. It is also believed that acetone peroxide was used as the explosive in the 7 July 2005 London bombings.[13] On September 5, 2006, homemade TATP was found during the arrest of seven suspected terrorists in Vollsmose, a neighborhood in the Danish city Odense,[14] as well as on September 4, 2007, during the arrest of eight suspected Al-Qaeda collaborators in Copenhagen, Denmark.[15]
In addition, the participants in the 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot may have planned to use TATP as the liquid bombs that would destroy U.S. airliners flying from London to the United States.[16] Initial speculation was that the explosive would be mixed in airplane lavatories. It is highly questionable whether such a plot could have been executed, due to the supplies needed, the smell mixing would create, and the time it would take to prepare without drawing suspicion from passengers and the flight crew.[17] UK prosecutors recently revealed that the plan was for the explosive to be synthesized outside security and introduced into apparently sealed bottles using a hypodermic needle.[18]
TATP was the explosive used to manufacture the suicide bombs that were to be used by Palestinian terrorists Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer and Lafi Khalil for their 1997 suicide bombing plot on the New York City Subway. The bombing never came to fruition as Mezer boasted to his Egyptian roommate of the plot and not wishing to be implicated the roommate went straight to the police. After hearing what he had to say, the NYPD Emergency Service Unit raided the apartment that the two rented. Both men were shot and injured in the raid and recovered after surgery. Mezer was convicted of terrorist charges and sentenced to life imprisonment. He currently resides at ADX Florence. Khalil was convicted of lesser charges and deported to Palestine upon his release. His whereabouts are currently unknown.
Traces of what the explosive detection device considered to be TATP was also found on a contractor's bag of toiletries in a Swedish nuclear power plant on the 21st of May 2008 [19] during a routine inspection. The man and another man working with him were detained but released the day after since no evidence of them possessing any actual explosives could be obtained.[20]
A member of the French anti-speed camera group, Front national anti-radars (FNAR), was hospitalised after losing both hands to an accidental explosion of his bomb based on TATP. [21]
A 13-year-old student in Hong Kong was injured on March 28, 2009 when he tried to light some TATP powder, which was provided by another 14-year-old boy and Police found six bottles of TATP from his apartment. Police believe those bottles of TATP were homemade by the 14-year-old boy for curiosity's sake. Including the injured boy, 3 teenagers were later arrested on explosives possession charges
If it means I can't take my tin of tuna on board, so be it!
Mother of Satan ;triacetone triperoxide, peroxyacetone,
TATP has been identified in explosive devices in a number of cases involving terrorists. Richard Reid, who attempted to down American Airlines Flight 63 with a bomb concealed in his shoe, possessed a device containing plastic explosive with a TATP trigger. It is also believed that acetone peroxide was used as the explosive in the 7 July 2005 London bombings.[13] On September 5, 2006, homemade TATP was found during the arrest of seven suspected terrorists in Vollsmose, a neighborhood in the Danish city Odense,[14] as well as on September 4, 2007, during the arrest of eight suspected Al-Qaeda collaborators in Copenhagen, Denmark.[15]
In addition, the participants in the 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot may have planned to use TATP as the liquid bombs that would destroy U.S. airliners flying from London to the United States.[16] Initial speculation was that the explosive would be mixed in airplane lavatories. It is highly questionable whether such a plot could have been executed, due to the supplies needed, the smell mixing would create, and the time it would take to prepare without drawing suspicion from passengers and the flight crew.[17] UK prosecutors recently revealed that the plan was for the explosive to be synthesized outside security and introduced into apparently sealed bottles using a hypodermic needle.[18]
TATP was the explosive used to manufacture the suicide bombs that were to be used by Palestinian terrorists Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer and Lafi Khalil for their 1997 suicide bombing plot on the New York City Subway. The bombing never came to fruition as Mezer boasted to his Egyptian roommate of the plot and not wishing to be implicated the roommate went straight to the police. After hearing what he had to say, the NYPD Emergency Service Unit raided the apartment that the two rented. Both men were shot and injured in the raid and recovered after surgery. Mezer was convicted of terrorist charges and sentenced to life imprisonment. He currently resides at ADX Florence. Khalil was convicted of lesser charges and deported to Palestine upon his release. His whereabouts are currently unknown.
Traces of what the explosive detection device considered to be TATP was also found on a contractor's bag of toiletries in a Swedish nuclear power plant on the 21st of May 2008 [19] during a routine inspection. The man and another man working with him were detained but released the day after since no evidence of them possessing any actual explosives could be obtained.[20]
A member of the French anti-speed camera group, Front national anti-radars (FNAR), was hospitalised after losing both hands to an accidental explosion of his bomb based on TATP. [21]
A 13-year-old student in Hong Kong was injured on March 28, 2009 when he tried to light some TATP powder, which was provided by another 14-year-old boy and Police found six bottles of TATP from his apartment. Police believe those bottles of TATP were homemade by the 14-year-old boy for curiosity's sake. Including the injured boy, 3 teenagers were later arrested on explosives possession charges
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How about cracking the tin open and eating it there and then.
My mum had a similar incident going o/s. They wouldn't let her bring her half bottle of water across, so she drank it, passed through security and bought another bottle right in front of that guard- same brand too!
My mum had a similar incident going o/s. They wouldn't let her bring her half bottle of water across, so she drank it, passed through security and bought another bottle right in front of that guard- same brand too!
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What happens if you and your mate have just short of the "legal limit" of liquid on board and mix them both?
Or if you actually produce liquid that will be more than 100 mls? What then?
Or if you actually produce liquid that will be more than 100 mls? What then?
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Oh, how much I have enjoyed reading this thread! (I am now retired.)
This sort of thing is not new. I landed an RAF C130 at SYD in 1968 for a few day's stopover. Not long after we had arrived at the hotel I had a call from the Customs at SYD asking me to return to the airport to open our aircraft survival kits so they might inspect them as they believed they contained flick knives..................
Needless to say, after I explained that these were sealed items and opening them would render the aircraft unserviceable, sensibility ruled and I enjoyed my three day's off in Sydney without further interruption.
On the other hand, these people, whatever role they are in, are only carrying out their instructions and if by exercising some discretion, their actions or non actions come back to haunt them, we all know that they will be taken to task by their superiors, whose only interest is in saving their own arse!
This sort of thing is not new. I landed an RAF C130 at SYD in 1968 for a few day's stopover. Not long after we had arrived at the hotel I had a call from the Customs at SYD asking me to return to the airport to open our aircraft survival kits so they might inspect them as they believed they contained flick knives..................
Needless to say, after I explained that these were sealed items and opening them would render the aircraft unserviceable, sensibility ruled and I enjoyed my three day's off in Sydney without further interruption.
On the other hand, these people, whatever role they are in, are only carrying out their instructions and if by exercising some discretion, their actions or non actions come back to haunt them, we all know that they will be taken to task by their superiors, whose only interest is in saving their own arse!
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I'm not taking either side I just thought this might be why the tuna was confiscated.
www.dotars.gov.au
Do a search on liquids and gels.
www.dotars.gov.au
Do a search on liquids and gels.
- All liquids, aersols and gels are covered by the quantity restrictions. A liquid, aerosol or gel is defined as:
- a substance that is a liquid when at room temperature;
- an aerosol;
- a gel;
- a cream; or
- a paste.
- If you are unsure whether an item falls within the restrictions, pack it in your checked baggage.
- Common liquids, aerosols and gels carried by passengers include drinks, creams, perfumes, toothpaste, lipstick, lip balm, deodorants, honey and other similar substances.
- Other items include sauces, stews, jams, pastes, and canned food items with a high liquid content (e.g. abalone, mushrooms etc.).
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I’m not proud of this BUT!
I live and work in Spain. A country that has experienced continues to experience serious terrorist attacks.
I was positioning out of uniform, when security noticed that I had liquids in my bag. I was stopped by an armed police officer, who asked me into a room to search my bag. I opened my bag and pulled out my ID, before I could say a word. He apologized, opened the door and told me to have a good day Captain!
Viva Espangna!
I live and work in Spain. A country that has experienced continues to experience serious terrorist attacks.
I was positioning out of uniform, when security noticed that I had liquids in my bag. I was stopped by an armed police officer, who asked me into a room to search my bag. I opened my bag and pulled out my ID, before I could say a word. He apologized, opened the door and told me to have a good day Captain!
Viva Espangna!
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bulstrode....
I'm with you as this is ridiculous but the problem is twofold here...
First is the person or type of person that is being employed by the security firms virtually anywhere....
Second is that they are not the sort of people who want or are capable of making decisions for themselves....
The mentality of some people never ceases to amaze me...A friend asked me if I could price a new remote control for his Chrysler in LA on my next trip...Apparently,the cost in Australia was horrendous and if cheaper in LA could I buy one.
I went to the local dealer and indeed it was and I bought one for him.When the spare parts chap was out the back getting me the unit I noticed on the back of the door (for staff to see) leading to the parts room was an official FBI wanted poster for Osama Bin Laden...this was just after 911...
When he came back I asked him what did he think was the possibility that Osama Bin Laden would actually come into this dealership and order a spare part from them....
I admired the patriotism of the dealership but....he could not understand my point...
I don't like your chances for getting a satisfactory response from anyone on this because they will only be covering their backsides...but let us know.
By the way Twiggs....as usual you could be a bit more diplomatic...try to work on your people skills some....ROTFL....
I'm with you as this is ridiculous but the problem is twofold here...
First is the person or type of person that is being employed by the security firms virtually anywhere....
Second is that they are not the sort of people who want or are capable of making decisions for themselves....
The mentality of some people never ceases to amaze me...A friend asked me if I could price a new remote control for his Chrysler in LA on my next trip...Apparently,the cost in Australia was horrendous and if cheaper in LA could I buy one.
I went to the local dealer and indeed it was and I bought one for him.When the spare parts chap was out the back getting me the unit I noticed on the back of the door (for staff to see) leading to the parts room was an official FBI wanted poster for Osama Bin Laden...this was just after 911...
When he came back I asked him what did he think was the possibility that Osama Bin Laden would actually come into this dealership and order a spare part from them....
I admired the patriotism of the dealership but....he could not understand my point...
I don't like your chances for getting a satisfactory response from anyone on this because they will only be covering their backsides...but let us know.
By the way Twiggs....as usual you could be a bit more diplomatic...try to work on your people skills some....ROTFL....
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Does the bomb squad collect everything confiscated during the day and take it out to a range and do a controlled detonation?
I don't think they should take chances with any of it. If they consider it that dangerous they should blow it up. No use putting it in the rubbish for the poor garbos to take their chances. It would be fun to watch the toothpaste and tuna neutralised.
I don't think they should take chances with any of it. If they consider it that dangerous they should blow it up. No use putting it in the rubbish for the poor garbos to take their chances. It would be fun to watch the toothpaste and tuna neutralised.
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Dangerous?
You can add Vegemite to the list of possible explosives that are "covered" under LAGS regulations....and Id just love to have that one explained
Lost 2 jars of it on the way through SYD security a few months ago, tried reasoning with the guy....you can probably imagine how that went
And to the guy doing the "crew" lane at Brisbane airport late on the night of August 8th, never have I seen the public treated to such abuse from an overbearing, rude, ignorant individual, it was disgusting to watch.....if you can read, which I doubt, you should be ashamed of yourself....I guess you can take comfort in the fact you are not alone
Ahhhh....thats better....
Nosey
Lost 2 jars of it on the way through SYD security a few months ago, tried reasoning with the guy....you can probably imagine how that wentAnd to the guy doing the "crew" lane at Brisbane airport late on the night of August 8th, never have I seen the public treated to such abuse from an overbearing, rude, ignorant individual, it was disgusting to watch.....if you can read, which I doubt, you should be ashamed of yourself....I guess you can take comfort in the fact you are not alone
Ahhhh....thats better....
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Same the world over
A mentioned the security guys and gals are not in the super tax bracket
I must say that here in LHR the vast majority of them are very nice
if you pass the time of day with them and go thru with a smile on your face its surely got to be better than spoiling for a fight they are only trying to do their job
The 100ml or equivalent limit we have is set in stone so there's absolutely no point arguing the toss
I never go thru with any liquids gels or the like just buy it all the other side
no confiscation risk no stress
I must say that here in LHR the vast majority of them are very nice
if you pass the time of day with them and go thru with a smile on your face its surely got to be better than spoiling for a fight they are only trying to do their job
The 100ml or equivalent limit we have is set in stone so there's absolutely no point arguing the toss
I never go thru with any liquids gels or the like just buy it all the other side
no confiscation risk no stress