SYD Airport Security Confiscates "Dangerous" Tuna
...why are they not worrying about "innocent" Australian air-side workers who could be "coerced" ....such as engineers, caterers, baggage handlers....... None of them, not ONE of them, gets screened in Australia as they go air-side! ........And they're not going to blow up with the plane if they toss something explosive into the bulk hold....
I have never followed any ground staff to work to see where they access the airside and if they're screened so I don't know if what you say is true. I'm not saying you're wrong or right. I'm sure DEAFCON or some other hysterical will rush to point out this irrefutable "fact" which "everyone" knows, but as for me, I sure as hell don't believe something is a fact just because I read it on pprune!
This thread is about about the stupidity of screening aircrew and the way in which it is applied.
The point of all this is that crew screening in Australia is generally out of step with crew screening world wide.
The assertion that a captain is going to jeopardize the safety of his own aircaraft is nonsensical.
If you look through the hysterics of DEAFCON etc, you can see the real issue is the uncertainty of exactly WHY a can of tuna should be confiscated. Liquid content is silly. But don't expect a drone on the security desk to be able to think about this.
By all means launch a rally about the whole system but please don't confuse short-sightedness and lack of nous and commonsense by SOME dim-witted crew (including possibly yourself) who are unable to cope with the realities of the current under-performing system with the real issues of inconsistency and a lack of direction and discipline by the powers behind the mindless drones on the screening desk. That just makes you look silly and unprofessional in front of the passengers and your fellow crew who get to watch your theatre "performance". In fact I think I've seen you in action before.
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The previous post added nothing intelligent to the discussion but did manage a poor attempt at insulting a few people.
If you look at the previous posters history thats ALL he does.
Insult people.
Thats easy to do.
Wonder why doesnt present a well constructed logical argument instead of stooping to childish invective.?
Lack of education?Lack of intellect.
Probably spends too much time indulging his favourite pastime.
Picking the fly****e out of pepper.
Now that requires a keen eye and plenty of patience .
A dilettante fly****e pepper picker.Wow!
This whole security screening process is out of control.No commonsense involved.Just too much testosterone and self importance.
Bloody tuna as a threat?
What has happened to our society?.Has everyone gone totally bonkers?
Have the extreme religious right frootloops finally taken over democracy?
Our personal freedoms and civil liberties are being removed all in the name of security.
What next? Mandatory sterilization for all male aviation personnel?
Guess who will be in charge?
Yep.The self appointed keeper of the moral high ground.....Poster 61
If you look at the previous posters history thats ALL he does.
Insult people.
Thats easy to do.
Wonder why doesnt present a well constructed logical argument instead of stooping to childish invective.?
Lack of education?Lack of intellect.
Probably spends too much time indulging his favourite pastime.
Picking the fly****e out of pepper.
Now that requires a keen eye and plenty of patience .
A dilettante fly****e pepper picker.Wow!
This whole security screening process is out of control.No commonsense involved.Just too much testosterone and self importance.
Bloody tuna as a threat?
What has happened to our society?.Has everyone gone totally bonkers?
Have the extreme religious right frootloops finally taken over democracy?
Our personal freedoms and civil liberties are being removed all in the name of security.
What next? Mandatory sterilization for all male aviation personnel?
Guess who will be in charge?
Yep.The self appointed keeper of the moral high ground.....Poster 61
Last edited by Machinegun Fellatio; 16th Aug 2009 at 10:10. Reason: Appeasing a Dilettante Phuckmeister
Machinegun Fellatio says:
And follows it with:
But somehow ignores:
Read post #15 where I replied to "The world is full of pedantic buffooons" without resorting to her style of insults. Just because you might see yourself in the previous descriptions of the weaker links in aviation does not mean you should lower yourself to vitriole.
Speaking of contributions, did you have anything besides tragic grammar and loose spelling to add to to thread, yourself?
Oh I see you've now gone back to try to add something worthwhile after having a re-think of your disgraceful post. Some very original thought there, Fellatio, well done.
Frootloops. Morale (not moral?). Testosterone. The religious right. Some deep-thinking stuff by Mr. Fellatio.
Fellatio, instead of getting all worked up and personal like you, I simply call it like I see it, including pointing out the soft-minded because they do none of us any service. I apologise if these observations hurt you a little; perhaps it's because the shoe fits?
PS: Machinegun Fellatio, interesting name - for some reason, I get the impression you're male. If you're a cabin crew, I hate to think which end of that activity you're on but it sure does say something about your focus in life so I won't get too worried about your opinion here. But a big THANKYOU for helping me pass the time on my day of reserve.
Wonder why doesnt present a well constructed logical argument instead of stooping to childish invective.?
Lack of education?Lack of intellect. Probably spends too much time indulging his favourite pastime. Picking the fly****e out of pepper. A dilettante fly****e pepper picker
How big is your botox bottle?. That is liquid isnt it? Twiggs without make up and/or botox.Shudder the thought. It is not about having a limited vocabulary. Get off the pot Louise Twiggs.You are indeed an amateur dilettantese (WTF????) It will improve your mental acuity get a life...as a security screener. You appear to have the aptitude for it
Speaking of contributions, did you have anything besides tragic grammar and loose spelling to add to to thread, yourself?
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Frootloops. Morale (not moral?). Testosterone. The religious right. Some deep-thinking stuff by Mr. Fellatio.
Fellatio, instead of getting all worked up and personal like you, I simply call it like I see it, including pointing out the soft-minded because they do none of us any service. I apologise if these observations hurt you a little; perhaps it's because the shoe fits?
PS: Machinegun Fellatio, interesting name - for some reason, I get the impression you're male. If you're a cabin crew, I hate to think which end of that activity you're on but it sure does say something about your focus in life so I won't get too worried about your opinion here. But a big THANKYOU for helping me pass the time on my day of reserve.
You are in dire need of relief old son
Not sure how the mods will view the thread being hijacked for use use as a "beat" by the cabin crew though......
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All liquids, aersols and gels are covered by the quantity restrictions. A liquid, aerosol or gel is defined as:
a substance that is a liquid when at room temperature;
an aerosol;
a gel;
a cream; or
a paste.
If you are unsure whether an item falls within the restrictions, pack it in your checked baggage.
Common liquids, aerosols and gels carried by passengers include drinks, creams, perfumes, toothpaste, lipstick, lip balm, deodorants, honey and other similar substances.
Other items include sauces, stews, jams, pastes, and canned food items with a high liquid content (e.g. abalone, mushrooms etc.).
The items listed above may only be taken through the security screening point, and onboard the aircraft, if they meet the quantity limits and are in a resealable bag whose four sides add up to no more than 80cm. Aviation security screening officers have the final say if there is any doubt about a product a passenger is trying to take through a screening point and onboard the aircraft.
Did you know?
Some items that you carry with you may not immediately seem to be liquid, aerosol, or gel products. These include snow domes or toys with liquid inside. These items should be packed in your checked baggage. Even items that are not designed to be opened may contain liquids, aerosols or gels
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There are 4 issues here
1.Quantity limits
2.High liquid content
3.Security officers have the final say.
4.It mentions passengers but does not include Aircrew or Cabin Crew
All liquids, aersols and gels are covered by the quantity restrictions. A liquid, aerosol or gel is defined as:
a substance that is a liquid when at room temperature;
an aerosol;
a gel;
a cream; or
a paste.
If you are unsure whether an item falls within the restrictions, pack it in your checked baggage.
Common liquids, aerosols and gels carried by passengers include drinks, creams, perfumes, toothpaste, lipstick, lip balm, deodorants, honey and other similar substances.
Other items include sauces, stews, jams, pastes, and canned food items with a high liquid content (e.g. abalone, mushrooms etc.).
The items listed above may only be taken through the security screening point, and onboard the aircraft, if they meet the quantity limits and are in a resealable bag whose four sides add up to no more than 80cm. Aviation security screening officers have the final say if there is any doubt about a product a passenger is trying to take through a screening point and onboard the aircraft.
Did you know?
Some items that you carry with you may not immediately seem to be liquid, aerosol, or gel products. These include snow domes or toys with liquid inside. These items should be packed in your checked baggage. Even items that are not designed to be opened may contain liquids, aerosols or gels
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There are 4 issues here
1.Quantity limits
2.High liquid content
3.Security officers have the final say.
4.It mentions passengers but does not include Aircrew or Cabin Crew
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Can anyone explain the reason that your LAG's need to be in a plastic, resealable bag of specific dimensions?
example, I turn up with a 10gram tube of toothpaste but it isn't in a resealable plastic bag - therefore it will be confiscated.
next day I turn up with a 10 gram tube of toothpaste in said bag. I pass the screening point and then remove the toothpaste and dispose of the plastic bag on the way to the gate.
Maybe miscreants like me should have a security officer assigned to me for the duration of my flight to ensure my dangerous, nasty goods remain in the correct resealable plastic bag (whose dimensions do not exceed three bees dicks by four gnats nuts)
(ps - I've only ever had to part with one small bottle of water in these scaredy cat times)
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example, I turn up with a 10gram tube of toothpaste but it isn't in a resealable plastic bag - therefore it will be confiscated.
next day I turn up with a 10 gram tube of toothpaste in said bag. I pass the screening point and then remove the toothpaste and dispose of the plastic bag on the way to the gate.
Maybe miscreants like me should have a security officer assigned to me for the duration of my flight to ensure my dangerous, nasty goods remain in the correct resealable plastic bag (whose dimensions do not exceed three bees dicks by four gnats nuts)
(ps - I've only ever had to part with one small bottle of water in these scaredy cat times)
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I thought the point of the plastic bag was that it's volume was about 1 litre so it limited the total volume of the individual items to less than 1 litre.
Of course when you only have one item it is being a bit ridiculous to enforce that rule, but it is the rule, so technically they can enforce it.
It doesn't matter that you have disposed of the bag past the screening point as it has already served it's purpose. (unless your toothpaste tube decides to empty it's contents in your overnight bag, and then you'll kick yourself for throwing away the plastic one.)
Of course when you only have one item it is being a bit ridiculous to enforce that rule, but it is the rule, so technically they can enforce it.
It doesn't matter that you have disposed of the bag past the screening point as it has already served it's purpose. (unless your toothpaste tube decides to empty it's contents in your overnight bag, and then you'll kick yourself for throwing away the plastic one.)
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Why does anyone with an ASIC need to be screened?
Perhaps it has nothing to with security but more to do with deterring Crews from smuggling drugs and other contraband.
HNL LAX SFO NRT all have no problem with crew carrying LAGS and/or other foodstuffs.Tuna included.
The only place in the world that is truly anal is Australia.While it has been pointed out that a pilot performed CFIT and killed himself and all pax on board the aircraft under his command that has more to do with his state of mind rather than tuna in his flight deck bag.
Commonsense has been abandoned and has been replaced by small minded stupidity.
Pax need screening.Australian aircrew dont.The background checks surely are enough.You have to be Snow White to pass the checks performed by the AFP and the American Government
You dont however need to be Snow White to a security screener
Perhaps it has nothing to with security but more to do with deterring Crews from smuggling drugs and other contraband.
HNL LAX SFO NRT all have no problem with crew carrying LAGS and/or other foodstuffs.Tuna included.
The only place in the world that is truly anal is Australia.While it has been pointed out that a pilot performed CFIT and killed himself and all pax on board the aircraft under his command that has more to do with his state of mind rather than tuna in his flight deck bag.
Commonsense has been abandoned and has been replaced by small minded stupidity.
Pax need screening.Australian aircrew dont.The background checks surely are enough.You have to be Snow White to pass the checks performed by the AFP and the American Government
You dont however need to be Snow White to a security screener
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Who is stupid?
Firepussy
When you get an ASIC, you have had a police background check, an immigration record check and an ASIO check for politically motivated violence. So that is the past dealt with. We can all argue as to whether it is perfect but no system ever is.
As for the future, who the hell knows what will happen, how do we know you or any other pilot won't become a whacko in future and try and kill people? So to combat this they screen people. No one can be certain they won't become a whaqko. Generally speaking, the vast majority do not become whacko's but you can't identify this. The answer screen everyone that enters through the terminal.
As for all the ground staff that don't get screened. I agree they should but the reality is we have a powerful lobby group called Qantas and they seem to convince the government that ground crew screening will cost too much and therefore should not occur. So they win for now, but who knows what will happen in the future.
When you get an ASIC, you have had a police background check, an immigration record check and an ASIO check for politically motivated violence. So that is the past dealt with. We can all argue as to whether it is perfect but no system ever is.
As for the future, who the hell knows what will happen, how do we know you or any other pilot won't become a whacko in future and try and kill people? So to combat this they screen people. No one can be certain they won't become a whaqko. Generally speaking, the vast majority do not become whacko's but you can't identify this. The answer screen everyone that enters through the terminal.
As for all the ground staff that don't get screened. I agree they should but the reality is we have a powerful lobby group called Qantas and they seem to convince the government that ground crew screening will cost too much and therefore should not occur. So they win for now, but who knows what will happen in the future.
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Pre 911 Post 911
So now we have a situation where there was very little screening prior to 911and no nutjobs.But post 911 all pilots have turned into nutjobs and are a potential threat to everyone.
Gee Who flies the plane?
How do you screen for a person's state of mind?
Are all screeners qualified psychologists?
Who is stupid?
Run that by me again Bazza but this time without your foot in your mouth.
What are screeners looking for?
Anything that can be used as a weapon.Anything that explodes and anything that is potentially combustible.
In short anything that compromises the safety of an aircraft and its crew
Why have I seen golf clubs,cricket bats and knitting needles on board aircraft but the poor soul who started this thread gets his tuna taken off him?
Whats wrong with that picture?Think carefully before answering.You wouldnt want anyone to think you are a fool.Would you Bazza?
Gee Who flies the plane?
How do you screen for a person's state of mind?
Are all screeners qualified psychologists?
Who is stupid?
Run that by me again Bazza but this time without your foot in your mouth.
What are screeners looking for?
Anything that can be used as a weapon.Anything that explodes and anything that is potentially combustible.
In short anything that compromises the safety of an aircraft and its crew
Why have I seen golf clubs,cricket bats and knitting needles on board aircraft but the poor soul who started this thread gets his tuna taken off him?
Whats wrong with that picture?Think carefully before answering.You wouldnt want anyone to think you are a fool.Would you Bazza?
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what part of my last posting did you not comprehend? I will spell it out one more time for you because your intelligence seems to have been sucked out by all those scary radiation waves coming from your computer
"the vast majority do not become whacko's but you can't identify this. The answer is to screen everyone that enters through the terminal. "
The logic behind checking everyone and not singling anyone out is the same reason behind the the thousands of other laws that apply to everyone, not just one or two people... but everyone. For example we need to have traffic lights (remember those funny looking things at traffic intersections that change colours between red, amber and green? - You may have seen them on Sesame Street recently!) We need these because the original laws of telling people to give way at intersections do not work. So to make sure it is fair for everyone, they introduced traffic lights - For everyone!
It is amazing what you can say with your foot in your mouth firepussy..try it!
what part of my last posting did you not comprehend? I will spell it out one more time for you because your intelligence seems to have been sucked out by all those scary radiation waves coming from your computer
"the vast majority do not become whacko's but you can't identify this. The answer is to screen everyone that enters through the terminal. "
The logic behind checking everyone and not singling anyone out is the same reason behind the the thousands of other laws that apply to everyone, not just one or two people... but everyone. For example we need to have traffic lights (remember those funny looking things at traffic intersections that change colours between red, amber and green? - You may have seen them on Sesame Street recently!) We need these because the original laws of telling people to give way at intersections do not work. So to make sure it is fair for everyone, they introduced traffic lights - For everyone!
It is amazing what you can say with your foot in your mouth firepussy..try it!
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How do we go from a retention of a can of tune to a frivolous and uninformed debate on why cabin crew should not be subject to airport security screening? 
Aircraft crew are subject to airport security screening procedures because they are not exempt from security screening under the Aviation Transport Security Act 2004.
If you don't like it, write to your politician. For those in love with the sound of their own keyboards, repetitious, pointless posts on PPRuNe will not change Australian laws.
We're tired on the number of Reported Posts!
This thread has passed it's use by date.
Aircraft crew are subject to airport security screening procedures because they are not exempt from security screening under the Aviation Transport Security Act 2004.
If you don't like it, write to your politician. For those in love with the sound of their own keyboards, repetitious, pointless posts on PPRuNe will not change Australian laws.
We're tired on the number of Reported Posts!
This thread has passed it's use by date.
