Qantas BKK Cabin Crew base to close???
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We can only hope that AKL is next to go.
As crew I agree with flyergirl
We can only hope that NO ONE is next to go.
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I would agree with Twiggs (shock horror), that if anyone is to lose their jobs, it should be the overseas bases before any on shore bases(and with no disrepect to those crew, I believe this is the sentimment being expressed?), regardless of FAAA membership numbers in a particular base(I am a member, always have been).
As I said in another thread, even though the Mel base may be considered 'vulnerable', the FAAA (this week) say there are no plans to close it just yet. On the other hand the BKK base closure was rumoured for some time. I guess time will tell, as cost is always the driving factor.....I am well aware anything can happen at short notice (been here a while...
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Let us hope, as I just said, that as many jobs as possible can be preserved, especially mine
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As I said in another thread, even though the Mel base may be considered 'vulnerable', the FAAA (this week) say there are no plans to close it just yet. On the other hand the BKK base closure was rumoured for some time. I guess time will tell, as cost is always the driving factor.....I am well aware anything can happen at short notice (been here a while...
)Let us hope, as I just said, that as many jobs as possible can be preserved, especially mine
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There is a difference between saying
and saying that I hope our jobs are the last to be threatened but this is the same girl who said it was a positive thing if the melbourne base closed.
A very catty and nasty thing to say.
pegasus,how do you decide how much effort to make to protect a base if there are 10 union members in it.Do you try harder if there are 50 union members?
We can only hope that AKL is next to go.
A very catty and nasty thing to say.
pegasus,how do you decide how much effort to make to protect a base if there are 10 union members in it.Do you try harder if there are 50 union members?
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re BKK
An email was sent to OBMs through blackberry...no word yet on whether it will make it to qfcrew....
I just hope I don't get the same email(or thereabouts) with MEL substituted for BKK!!!
Gotta have a laugh or I'd cry!
As for membership, that is an interesting question. I guess the answer would be that the FAAA would work for those 10 (for example) to 'demand' work in an alternate base? Who knows!!!! Lets hope it doesn't happen.....
I just hope I don't get the same email(or thereabouts) with MEL substituted for BKK!!!
Gotta have a laugh or I'd cry!As for membership, that is an interesting question. I guess the answer would be that the FAAA would work for those 10 (for example) to 'demand' work in an alternate base? Who knows!!!! Lets hope it doesn't happen.....
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agreed.
That is exactly what the FAAA has said.
I think what I meant was, for those non members, the outcome may be set, but that the FAAA would fight for its members to remain in employment somewhere in the network, even if, for whatever reason, the particular base (wherever it is) were to close.
As I said, let's hope not!!!!I remain ever optimistic.....
I think what I meant was, for those non members, the outcome may be set, but that the FAAA would fight for its members to remain in employment somewhere in the network, even if, for whatever reason, the particular base (wherever it is) were to close.
As I said, let's hope not!!!!I remain ever optimistic.....
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As i see it the biggest problem with the melbourne base is the culture of dobbing on each other..sounds like a very nasty vindictive place to work with crew constantly in the office dobbing on other crew.
The crew are also suggesting that they dont want to do the MEL/PER flights and whinging to the company and the union. If they give the work back to the domestics you would either have a large percentage of the base on leave burn or a number of redundancies.
The behaviour of some of the crew in the Melbourne base is reminiscent of the Perth crew prior to its closure....
I am just saying you reap what you sow
The crew are also suggesting that they dont want to do the MEL/PER flights and whinging to the company and the union. If they give the work back to the domestics you would either have a large percentage of the base on leave burn or a number of redundancies.
The behaviour of some of the crew in the Melbourne base is reminiscent of the Perth crew prior to its closure....
I am just saying you reap what you sow
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I must be missing something...
I have been there since it opened. I do not know who these people are, but I suspect the usual suspects, who think that 'dobbing' will reflect well on them, are creating this so called 'culture' to which you refer.
No wonder people like to fly with me!!
Having said that, I disagree that it is a horrible place to be. I must seriously be missing something, as I have not felt this vibe, and stongly suspect some stories get better for the telling. Or maybe its because I am not running into the office 24/7.
Having said that, some crew really push the boundaries of acceptable behaviour, and whilst I can forgive most things once, when it's repeat behaviour....
I do wish certain (again usual suspects) would stop whinging about the flying. Get over it people, I want a job, and if it means doing back to back Perth trips, so be it.
hmmm......
No wonder people like to fly with me!!
Having said that, I disagree that it is a horrible place to be. I must seriously be missing something, as I have not felt this vibe, and stongly suspect some stories get better for the telling. Or maybe its because I am not running into the office 24/7.Having said that, some crew really push the boundaries of acceptable behaviour, and whilst I can forgive most things once, when it's repeat behaviour....
I do wish certain (again usual suspects) would stop whinging about the flying. Get over it people, I want a job, and if it means doing back to back Perth trips, so be it.
hmmm......
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Perhaps those that are complaining are part of the large amount of people in Melbourne who would rather be in Sydney.
They certainly would have something to gain from the base closing, provided they are senior enough to avoid CR.
They certainly would have something to gain from the base closing, provided they are senior enough to avoid CR.
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Qantas Posters:Now Hear This
After being kicked out of the CC forums and numerous warnings from the Mods here we have just had another thread closed down.
1.Stop the bickering
2.Stay on the topic of the thread
3.Use the ignore button for the trolls
4.The usual suspects ..pull your heads in
This forum provides a place for discussion and the provision of information not otherwise available.
Remember these points otherwise we will be booted out of PPrune and forced to look for a less comfortable home.
Before anyone starts I have on occasion been guilty of rising to the bait and sounding off.Well for me I will be following my own advice and ignoring the fools, trolls and those with agendas.I will not post here when jetlagged or under the spell of some excellent Ozzie Cab Sav
1.Stop the bickering
2.Stay on the topic of the thread
3.Use the ignore button for the trolls
4.The usual suspects ..pull your heads in
This forum provides a place for discussion and the provision of information not otherwise available.
Remember these points otherwise we will be booted out of PPrune and forced to look for a less comfortable home.
Before anyone starts I have on occasion been guilty of rising to the bait and sounding off.Well for me I will be following my own advice and ignoring the fools, trolls and those with agendas.I will not post here when jetlagged or under the spell of some excellent Ozzie Cab Sav
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Qantas has closed its cabin crew base in Bangkok – one of three overseas – leading to a loss of about 123 jobs because of a big slump in demand for international travel.
The airline previously embarked on a large recruitment drive for overseas cabin crew in a bid to cut labour costs and dilute the influence unions have over its 35,000-strong workforce.
But Qantas has ended its contract with the company that employed 123 Thai nationals to work as cabin crew on the airline’s international flights.
The Flight Attendant’s Association of Australia said today that the closure was a stark reminder of the job insecurity faced by long-haul cabin crew.
Qantas has so far resisted cutting cabin crew from its Australian-based workforce, although measures such as leave-without-pay have been introduced. The airline’s international operations are losing money, particularly on the key routes to the US and Europe.
The airline and union struck an agreement several years ago not to have more than 25 per cent of international cabin crew made up of foreign nationals. Qantas employs a total of about 4500 international flight attendants.
The union has a longstanding opposition to the offshoring of long-haul cabin crew jobs.
"I wish to reiterate that this announcement of the closure of Bangkok, further demonstrates the serious job security situation for long-haul crew," the union’s secretary of the international division, Michael Mijatov, wrote in a letter to members.
"This announcement by Qantas should demonstrate to even those that are most sceptical amongst us, that the current situation facing us is serious."
Qantas also has long-haul cabin crew bases in London and Auckland. Crews based in New Zealand’s largest city typically work 30 per cent more hours on half the base pay of their Australian counterparts.
Having already laid off up to 3250 workers in the past 18 months, Qantas last week announced $1.5 billion in spending cuts over three years, including $500 million this financial year. It follows $3 billion in cuts over the previous five years.
Qantas also recorded last week its first half-year loss in six years as it suffered from big falls in demand for premium seats on international routes.
The airline has been pulling almost every lever to cope with a dire short-term outlook, including grounding planes, delaying and cancelling deliveries of new aircraft, and raising $500 million from investors to keep its investment-grade rating.
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The airline previously embarked on a large recruitment drive for overseas cabin crew in a bid to cut labour costs and dilute the influence unions have over its 35,000-strong workforce.
But Qantas has ended its contract with the company that employed 123 Thai nationals to work as cabin crew on the airline’s international flights.
The Flight Attendant’s Association of Australia said today that the closure was a stark reminder of the job insecurity faced by long-haul cabin crew.
Qantas has so far resisted cutting cabin crew from its Australian-based workforce, although measures such as leave-without-pay have been introduced. The airline’s international operations are losing money, particularly on the key routes to the US and Europe.
The airline and union struck an agreement several years ago not to have more than 25 per cent of international cabin crew made up of foreign nationals. Qantas employs a total of about 4500 international flight attendants.
The union has a longstanding opposition to the offshoring of long-haul cabin crew jobs.
"I wish to reiterate that this announcement of the closure of Bangkok, further demonstrates the serious job security situation for long-haul crew," the union’s secretary of the international division, Michael Mijatov, wrote in a letter to members.
"This announcement by Qantas should demonstrate to even those that are most sceptical amongst us, that the current situation facing us is serious."
Qantas also has long-haul cabin crew bases in London and Auckland. Crews based in New Zealand’s largest city typically work 30 per cent more hours on half the base pay of their Australian counterparts.
Having already laid off up to 3250 workers in the past 18 months, Qantas last week announced $1.5 billion in spending cuts over three years, including $500 million this financial year. It follows $3 billion in cuts over the previous five years.
Qantas also recorded last week its first half-year loss in six years as it suffered from big falls in demand for premium seats on international routes.
The airline has been pulling almost every lever to cope with a dire short-term outlook, including grounding planes, delaying and cancelling deliveries of new aircraft, and raising $500 million from investors to keep its investment-grade rating.
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Best wishes to all the BKK crew. When I read about the rumours last week I thought it was just that, a rumour. Sadly some things in this forum do come true and I'm very sorry to hear this news. Thanks for your time and dedication, we all know things wont be the same. Love and thoughts xx
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twiggs is on my ignore list! the silence is deafening.
back to the thread. with the turnover in LHR and AKL of f/a's there is a strong possibility that no-one will need to be laid off. maybe things have slowed down since the GFC began.
anybody with crew numbers based in LHR and AKL... peg, guardian, eden etc? twiggs may be management but i don't get to see her posts anymore so she can't help me. have crew numbers o/s dropped since employee freeze?
back to the thread. with the turnover in LHR and AKL of f/a's there is a strong possibility that no-one will need to be laid off. maybe things have slowed down since the GFC began.
anybody with crew numbers based in LHR and AKL... peg, guardian, eden etc? twiggs may be management but i don't get to see her posts anymore so she can't help me. have crew numbers o/s dropped since employee freeze?