Qantas BKK Cabin Crew base to close???
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Make Remote More Remote
Pilots and Cabin crew are a remote workforce.Self monitoring and self reporting.
By having off shore bases that remoteness is amplified but the self monitoring and self reporting is diminished.Diminished because they are not exposed to the corporate culture of the parent company.There is no loyalty.The employees see themselves as alienated.Mix that with cultural differences and you have a recipe for failure.Once the decision to establish an off shore base is made no one in management is prepared to have it closed if it fails.Even then a base's existance is justified in terms of cost
Difficult economic circumstances it appears have initiated the demise of the Thai base.Of the three bases it is the best.As has been stated the work ethic and professionalism of the Thais are hallmarks of this base.The other two bases dont even come close.
Personally I will miss the enthusiasm that they have brought to the workplace
By having off shore bases that remoteness is amplified but the self monitoring and self reporting is diminished.Diminished because they are not exposed to the corporate culture of the parent company.There is no loyalty.The employees see themselves as alienated.Mix that with cultural differences and you have a recipe for failure.Once the decision to establish an off shore base is made no one in management is prepared to have it closed if it fails.Even then a base's existance is justified in terms of cost
Difficult economic circumstances it appears have initiated the demise of the Thai base.Of the three bases it is the best.As has been stated the work ethic and professionalism of the Thais are hallmarks of this base.The other two bases dont even come close.
Personally I will miss the enthusiasm that they have brought to the workplace
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Well IF they are on reserve for next roster, then there might still be some hope.
I would say it is a better long term solution too whereby they are not taking any rostered Aust. based flying and are able to cover sickness upline in BKK, SIN and anywhere else that is close enough for them to pax to to cover.
I would say it is a better long term solution too whereby they are not taking any rostered Aust. based flying and are able to cover sickness upline in BKK, SIN and anywhere else that is close enough for them to pax to to cover.
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I would say it is a better long term solution too whereby they are not taking any rostered Aust. based flying and are able to cover sickness upline in BKK, SIN and anywhere else that is close enough for them to pax to to cover.
How much would that cost?
To keep 120 or so crew current in EPs and procedures and base them in BKK just in case someone gets sick....
Lastest info is Charlie Q to issue letters outlining the future to all in BKK Base on 25th. Good luck to all affected and at least it will end the speculation and stress...
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Of course knowing how the company works someone else in the office will decide after the letters have gone out that they will not only keep the base open but increase it in size.....funnier things have happened before and mini Darth is looking for any ideas to save money.
They could end up in Orange uniforms as well...anything could happen but I wish all the Thai crew the best.
They could end up in Orange uniforms as well...anything could happen but I wish all the Thai crew the best.
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Tears have been shed in the back galleys of our 400s as the 120 or so Thai flight attendants have positioned and operated home over the last few weeks to what appears to be an uncertain future.
Reports confirm what all of us who've flown with them would have expected in that they have, to an individual, continued to behave with the utmost grace, conscientiousness and professionalism down to their very last sector.
You will be sorely missed by many of us, in a fashion that is human nature, to not know what you have until it's gone............
Reports confirm what all of us who've flown with them would have expected in that they have, to an individual, continued to behave with the utmost grace, conscientiousness and professionalism down to their very last sector.
You will be sorely missed by many of us, in a fashion that is human nature, to not know what you have until it's gone............
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they are entitled to P/C
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oh for goodness sake can you lot stop being so pedantic and painful !!!!
- the somewhat rhetorical point of the comment was simply all about hoping that the Thai crew were given a little TLC.....
[sigh]
- the somewhat rhetorical point of the comment was simply all about hoping that the Thai crew were given a little TLC.....
[sigh]
it's now official!
... my source informs that Addeco mailed out the letters today with the base contracts terminated in OCT
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sad to see them getting the qantas boot up the proverbial after working their proverbials off for 10 years. nick, will miss you as a drinking buddy. many of the female cc (thai, aussie, kiwi and poms... he never discriminated on race!!) will miss you as well.
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Nick. Yes quite a character and famous for introducing himself thusly-
"Gday, I'm Nick. I'm the straight one......."
I believed he was always gilding the lily a bit as legend has it there were actually two.
Great people who the loss of I suspect will have wide ranging ramifications.........
"Gday, I'm Nick. I'm the straight one......."
I believed he was always gilding the lily a bit as legend has it there were actually two.
Great people who the loss of I suspect will have wide ranging ramifications.........
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Bkk Base Closed - Faaa Website
Attention All Long Haul Cabin Crew
BANGKOK BASE CLOSED
The FAAA wishes to advise our members that the Company has decided to close its overseas cabin crew base in Bangkok, Thailand.
It is with a sense of ambivalence that I write this newsletter to you. I was elected Secretary of the FAAA in March 2004, and almost immediately details came to me regarding “Project Hawaii”, which was the code name given by the Company to its then secret preparations for an additional overseas base in London, to supplement bases that were already established in Bangkok and Auckland. At that juncture, the scene was set for a bitter industrial confrontation over overseas bases, which was finally resolved in the negotiations for EBA7, which were concluded in December 2004.
It would be hypocritical of the FAAA to distance ourselves from our long standing opposition to the off-shoring of Long Haul cabin crew jobs. However, issues such as off-shoring are complicated and irrespective of philosophical viewpoints, it is nevertheless true, that there is often a human dimension and face to such issues. In this case, approximately 123 Thai cabin crew have lost their jobs.
These crew have worked with us side by side for many years, formed friendships with us and are dedicated and competent colleagues. It is therefore sad to witness their departure from the Qantas cabin crew group. On behalf of the FAAA and its members, I sincerely wish them well in their future professional endeavours.
To our members, I wish to re-iterate that this announcement of the closure of Bangkok, further demonstrates the serious job security situation for Long Haul crew. What it also demonstrates, is the effectiveness of the FAAA in protecting our jobs and the huge protective features of EBA8, which are operating in such an effective fashion, that no Long Haul member of the FAAA has been made compulsorily redundant.
The FAAA will continue to support measures (even if they are unpopular), that protect our membership from compulsory redundancy (for example the recent further direction of Long Service leave). We will continue to be flexible so that no member loses their job.
This announcement by Qantas, should demonstrate to even those that are most sceptical amongst us, that the current situation confronting all of us is serious and that the FAAA has not and is not overstating the gravity of the situation.
Finally, the decision to close the Bangkok cabin crew base highlights what I have said many times in members’ meetings; that the FAAA makes decisions on a wide range of fronts for valid and cogent reasons, designed to protect our members’ employment, and at times, we are not in a position to publicly canvass those reasons.
It is a sobering thought that had our membership rejected EBA8 and had we pursued senseless confrontational and provocative stances in relation to matters such as long service leave direction, the people being made redundant could well have been our members.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division
BANGKOK BASE CLOSED
The FAAA wishes to advise our members that the Company has decided to close its overseas cabin crew base in Bangkok, Thailand.
It is with a sense of ambivalence that I write this newsletter to you. I was elected Secretary of the FAAA in March 2004, and almost immediately details came to me regarding “Project Hawaii”, which was the code name given by the Company to its then secret preparations for an additional overseas base in London, to supplement bases that were already established in Bangkok and Auckland. At that juncture, the scene was set for a bitter industrial confrontation over overseas bases, which was finally resolved in the negotiations for EBA7, which were concluded in December 2004.
It would be hypocritical of the FAAA to distance ourselves from our long standing opposition to the off-shoring of Long Haul cabin crew jobs. However, issues such as off-shoring are complicated and irrespective of philosophical viewpoints, it is nevertheless true, that there is often a human dimension and face to such issues. In this case, approximately 123 Thai cabin crew have lost their jobs.
These crew have worked with us side by side for many years, formed friendships with us and are dedicated and competent colleagues. It is therefore sad to witness their departure from the Qantas cabin crew group. On behalf of the FAAA and its members, I sincerely wish them well in their future professional endeavours.
To our members, I wish to re-iterate that this announcement of the closure of Bangkok, further demonstrates the serious job security situation for Long Haul crew. What it also demonstrates, is the effectiveness of the FAAA in protecting our jobs and the huge protective features of EBA8, which are operating in such an effective fashion, that no Long Haul member of the FAAA has been made compulsorily redundant.
The FAAA will continue to support measures (even if they are unpopular), that protect our membership from compulsory redundancy (for example the recent further direction of Long Service leave). We will continue to be flexible so that no member loses their job.
This announcement by Qantas, should demonstrate to even those that are most sceptical amongst us, that the current situation confronting all of us is serious and that the FAAA has not and is not overstating the gravity of the situation.
Finally, the decision to close the Bangkok cabin crew base highlights what I have said many times in members’ meetings; that the FAAA makes decisions on a wide range of fronts for valid and cogent reasons, designed to protect our members’ employment, and at times, we are not in a position to publicly canvass those reasons.
It is a sobering thought that had our membership rejected EBA8 and had we pursued senseless confrontational and provocative stances in relation to matters such as long service leave direction, the people being made redundant could well have been our members.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division
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Wrong Base Closed
The Thai Base provided exceptional service.
The LHR base saves money.
Costs over service will win every time with QF.
To all the Thai based crew you are outstanding you will be missed
The LHR base saves money.
Costs over service will win every time with QF.
To all the Thai based crew you are outstanding you will be missed