Rex Mid Air Scare - Who writes this CR@P!!
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He may well be a cock head that doesn't know anything - but it sounds like he got some of his info from those who should know better. How would he know that the flaps have been manually extended if he hadn't been told by someone eager to shoot his/her mouth off?
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Don't whinge here - tell Mr Jacob's boss what you think:
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Pleaseee Can we have a sequel to "Frontline" the best current affairs program ever produced
Any journalist will tell you that Frontline was so close to the truth it was damn scary.
If ever something in the media p1sses me off, I just watch a couple of episodes again to put the whole reporting thing into perspective.
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Underdog,
If you do the Glenfield 6 departure at Sydney and get direct tracking to Broken Hill it takes you within about 75m of Griffith. The weather was a bit crappy that night with Inter's and Tempo's at just about everywhere in NSW so perhaps at the time of the incident Griffith was their nearest 'suitable' aerodrome after considering all factors. With a hydraulic problem perhaps runway length also played a part in the choice to goto Griffith?
If you do the Glenfield 6 departure at Sydney and get direct tracking to Broken Hill it takes you within about 75m of Griffith. The weather was a bit crappy that night with Inter's and Tempo's at just about everywhere in NSW so perhaps at the time of the incident Griffith was their nearest 'suitable' aerodrome after considering all factors. With a hydraulic problem perhaps runway length also played a part in the choice to goto Griffith?
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Here we go again. Ppruners up in arms over a press report.
Yes, the report was sensationalist. But, what else could you expect? To expect it NOT to be sensationalist is like expecting a salesman, for some product, to NOT sprout sales pitch.
.Is he required to have aviation knowledge? You need to realise that most of the media have negligible aviation knowledge - so, naturally, they will describe things in ways that we wouldn't.
So what's your suggestion? They should become fully qualified pilots before they're allowed to make an aviation related report?
On what grounds would you be reporting it? Because it was sensationalist? Because it was not factual? How was it "not factual"?
Mediawatch would not be the slightest bit interested in that story.
Which bit was "factually inaccurate"?
Yes, the report was sensationalist. But, what else could you expect? To expect it NOT to be sensationalist is like expecting a salesman, for some product, to NOT sprout sales pitch.
... he played a part 15 years ago in the tv show RFDS. I guess that's where the wealth of aviation knowledge comes from
Nothing more annoying than people who know a little bit about everything.
There is no easy way to "REPORT THIS POST" unlike here for example.
contact mediawatch @ abc
There is no need to accept factually inaccurate reporting.
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Tail Wheel and anyone wanting to blast the ninemsn folk..... coz I just have
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At least the JQ A330 has been better reported...I think
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At least the JQ A330 has been better reported...I think
Edit: Try news . feedback @ ninemsn . com . au just remove the spaces!
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FGD if we restrict comment in the news to only qualified prof pilots then may I suggest we do the same in pprune 
The only problem with that of course would be that most of the wannabes that post in D & G would be excluded so the post rate would drop by about 90%.
My god have I unexpectedly come across a cure for the vast amount of drivel that is posted in the D & G forums on a daily basis?
The only problem with that of course would be that most of the wannabes that post in D & G would be excluded so the post rate would drop by about 90%.My god have I unexpectedly come across a cure for the vast amount of drivel that is posted in the D & G forums on a daily basis?
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Thanks for all of that. Although I was having a bit of a lend of the situation, I am as serious as cancer about this. Either the guy was a passenger giving some impressions, or he was somebody with real knowledge of the situation. When he should be the first, but he wants to be the second, that's when problems start.
The point I want to stress is that when semi-pros such as our friend start throwing 'professional' opinions in there (that are more than likely completely inaccurate) because they want to piece together the events using a very shallow knowledge base, that is when stories take turns they shouldn't. In my opinion he has made a very poor and inaccurate report of what, although not a normal event, was one that didn't threaten the safety of anyone there and the process that followed turned out exactly as it should have. In the meantime, REX no longer look so appealing in the eyes of the travelling public.
How can you defend the journalistic integrity of this guy? No he doesn't have to be a professional to be able to report on a story but what he is doing is in the same league as a weatherman watching twister and going off and creating his own weather predictions based on raw data - it would never happen.
Insert Steve Jacobs transcript
The point I want to stress is that when semi-pros such as our friend start throwing 'professional' opinions in there (that are more than likely completely inaccurate) because they want to piece together the events using a very shallow knowledge base, that is when stories take turns they shouldn't. In my opinion he has made a very poor and inaccurate report of what, although not a normal event, was one that didn't threaten the safety of anyone there and the process that followed turned out exactly as it should have. In the meantime, REX no longer look so appealing in the eyes of the travelling public.
How can you defend the journalistic integrity of this guy? No he doesn't have to be a professional to be able to report on a story but what he is doing is in the same league as a weatherman watching twister and going off and creating his own weather predictions based on raw data - it would never happen.
On what grounds would you be reporting it? Because it was sensationalist? Because it was not factual? How was it "not factual"?
"I had been running late for the flight in Sydney and they had to page me so I very nearly missed it ... I almost wish I had now"
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Exactly!
Maybe had they suffered a prop failure of some sort, fues punctured, rapid decompression and forced to land for whatever reason on a farm strip at night dodging kangaroo's.............. then we should see MID AIR SCARE as the headline.
I think the media need to use a "Check the Captains jocks" test. If he needs new ones, something worth reporting with a little alarming tone, otherwise.......its a day in their office! Move on!
Public perception is what matters in a lot of things, especially air travel, even though its so safe, the industry does not need this garbage.
I note no replies to my email from yesterday, they may get another copy every 24 hours until I get a sensible reply!
Anyone else take the time to drop them a line? Anyone from Rex?
Maybe had they suffered a prop failure of some sort, fues punctured, rapid decompression and forced to land for whatever reason on a farm strip at night dodging kangaroo's.............. then we should see MID AIR SCARE as the headline.
I think the media need to use a "Check the Captains jocks" test. If he needs new ones, something worth reporting with a little alarming tone, otherwise.......its a day in their office! Move on!
Public perception is what matters in a lot of things, especially air travel, even though its so safe, the industry does not need this garbage.
I note no replies to my email from yesterday, they may get another copy every 24 hours until I get a sensible reply!
Anyone else take the time to drop them a line? Anyone from Rex?
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... MID AIR SCARE as the headline.
But it was a "SCARE", and it did happen "MID AIR".
Maybe not the words you or I would have used, but you need to realise that it was written by non-aviation folk for non-aviation folk.
I note no replies to my email from yesterday, they may get another copy every 24 hours until I get a sensible reply!
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Just getting back to nuts and bolts----
The Saab 340 has an electric motor that runs a Hyd pump. Just one. And there is a scenerio where the wheels are held retracted no matter what you do. The only aircraft I know of that does this btw. The abnormal checklist for hydraulics runs for about 5 pages and is a nightmare.
So well done crew!
Now if this happened and the diversion to Coffs happened shouldn't we be looking at the Saab??? and its age???
The Saab 340 has an electric motor that runs a Hyd pump. Just one. And there is a scenerio where the wheels are held retracted no matter what you do. The only aircraft I know of that does this btw. The abnormal checklist for hydraulics runs for about 5 pages and is a nightmare.
So well done crew!
Now if this happened and the diversion to Coffs happened shouldn't we be looking at the Saab??? and its age???
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How can you defend the journalistic integrity of this guy?
As for his statement "manually raised the flaps for landing": I wouldn't get too excited about it. Witnesses often say strange things. To the average person, all the movable surfaces on an aircraft are "flaps".
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Guys, this forum is about aviation, not journalistic integrity (I am sure there is a forum somewhere for that and that is where 50% of this thread should be NOT here).
Mention1 bloody good post, factual and informative!
Moderators do your job and clean up pprune!
Mention1 bloody good post, factual and informative!
Moderators do your job and clean up pprune!
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Cpt Chaos,
I disagree; jounalistic integrity can affect aviation. Scare stories don't do anything to enhance the general publics' opinion of what is an incredibly safe industry.
It's a legitimate beef. I think that the underlying desire of all contributors is to have someone out there, in one of the major media outlets, that actually knows what he/she is talking about.
Naive, I know; sensationalism will out-bid truth any day in the tabloid press.
It's only a personal observation; but your last post was somewhat anal.
I disagree; jounalistic integrity can affect aviation. Scare stories don't do anything to enhance the general publics' opinion of what is an incredibly safe industry.
It's a legitimate beef. I think that the underlying desire of all contributors is to have someone out there, in one of the major media outlets, that actually knows what he/she is talking about.
Naive, I know; sensationalism will out-bid truth any day in the tabloid press.
It's only a personal observation; but your last post was somewhat anal.