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Old 15th May 2009, 09:39
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in order to improve your conditions you must participate
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how many MAM attend union meetings! or actively participate!
better still how many are members of the SH FAAA, not many!

hmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Old 15th May 2009, 09:49
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From memory heads_down said he/she used to work in QCC1
ok that's is not even the right memory, please remove that old module and put in that new microSD 16 gigs you can find anywhere in slip ports.

I said some incompetent CSM who applied to be CSM was rejected in sydney but got it with no problems in Perth, this CSM started out in mail room in QCC, we know why this CSM got the CSM position in perth base, because the base manager that promoted this person was shown the door one afternoon after a meeting with webster. Had to clear everything by 1400 and escorted out the building.

To think of no less than 6 to 10 supervisors promoted by her to CSM send shudder down your windscreen.
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Old 15th May 2009, 11:15
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The Magic Circle Club

Round and round you go.
The information is there in plain english for all to read.
Most of the posters here need a remedial reading course.
This all affects those who would otherwise have been made redundant.To be blunt those at the bottom of any list.ie "last on first off".
A very pragmatic plan has been put in place where everyone gets to keep their job.
This and only this is what its all about...keeping your job.
All the rest of this nonsense is a waste of bandwidth
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Old 15th May 2009, 12:18
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I love how people put words into my mouth.

You chose to remain as a mam in s/h.
How do you know that I did not apply for QCCA? In fact, I did. I got the 'on hold email' along with everyone else. I had an application in with QAL for a few years. By the time I got an interview and through the medical process etc they were no longer employing full time. It was MAM or nothing. At the time I became a MAM, there was still the option of career progression. I'm sorry if you thinking joining on the chance I might get that is 'chasing the big bucks'. Only someone who doesn't earn 32k a year as a QCCA would look down on someone for not wanting to put themselves in debt. If you had a mortgage would you effectiovely sell yourself out of 15-20k per year just to fly international?

It's not a process of wanting to change the rules after joining, it's a matter of being under that system for a few years and seeing that really it could be better and trying to work with the company on finding a solution to excessive sick leave rates and other issues which were happening with MAM crew. One solution put forward was with the way the rosters are done for casuals, if you give a little you get back in the form of people not calling in sick just so they can go to their sister's wedding which they were denied leave for.

but not at the expense of others
Improving the MAM EBA, please explain how that would be at the expense of anyone else? Our rosters affect us only, seeing as we get what is left over after full time have built their rosters around their lives, kids, hobbies, pets etc. All we are trying to do is to get a fraction of what everyone else gets, i.e. and improvement in the way we get our days off allocated. (Our *3* days off)

And how amny times do I have to say it, if no one else wants the A380 flying and the company want to use MAM/QD, then what the hell business is it of anyone who turned down the chance? I'm not saying I want the chance above any full timer, I'm saying it would be nice, if there were places left over after everyone else has had their pick, if we could also apply. It's like watching the mean kid in the playground who takes toys off the other kids just because they don't want to see anyone else playing with them!

Anyway that is getting off the topic, all I am saying is don't slag off other crew who didn't happen to get the same opportunities as you, it's easy to throw rocks at others when you're sitting on your comfy 60k per year, annual leave and sick leave and especially when you don't have CR breathing down your neck.

Senior crew who complain they don't want to take some of the zillion days of leave they've accrued to save other people's jobs disgust me. It'ss called karma and one day it will bite all those people on the ass.

As for participation, ask the FAAA how many responses they got from the MAM EBA survey, quite a few actually! how many people went to the recent union meeting in Perth? Enough that there weren't enough chairs in the room. I can assure you MAM crew are just as involved and concerned as anyone else, in fact I would guess maybe more than certain crew who have been around for years.

And you can all keep saying we 'want our cake' but the fact remains if no one else wants A380 flying then I see absolutely no reason why QD or MAM should not be used if that is what the company want.

Anyway I've had enough of this, obviously some of you are lacking in the empathy department. Just try to see it from other people's side for a chance, it's frustrating to work just as hard as anyone else and not have many options to progress in your work!
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Old 15th May 2009, 12:58
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And you can all keep saying we 'want our cake' but the fact remains if no one else wants A380 flying then I see absolutely no reason why QD or MAM should not be used if that is what the company want.
To help you see why MAM cannot do A380, to do so you would have to become a fulltime employee, either QAL or QCCA, neither of which are being employed now.
There is no provision to be casual A380 crew.
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Old 15th May 2009, 13:29
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Yes Twiggs, I know that, what I'm saying is that if the company really want to, they could do it with the agreement of the FAAA if it meant that it would cover flying and get rid of excess in SH. Not saying that it will happen, but that it isn't impossible.

It just seems that people are getting heated up about A380 being 'their' flying, when in reality the company could pretty much do what they want if it means saving people's jobs. Nothing to stop them transferring current employees into QD if they needed to, just the same as they are transferring people into LH from SH, the only restriction I've heard of is on external recruitment.
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Old 15th May 2009, 13:53
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N-BW Outstanding

A very succinct and well reasoned first post.
Welcome to PPRuNe.
PPRuNe needs more intelligent level headed posters like you.
Balances out the plethora of fools
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Old 15th May 2009, 15:15
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N-BW



Great points.. refreshing! Hope we get to fly together
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Old 15th May 2009, 21:26
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how do we know if N-BW is not a team manager posing as a crew here. Anyone can be anything here and anything can be anyone here.

How gullible to fall for a few lines. That's what team managers want you to be: follow and obey, follow and obey, no dissent, no oppose views, accept the status quo, love management, love company, love dob ins, hate differing views.

Sounds like a communist regime.
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Old 15th May 2009, 23:07
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Head's down

how do we know that you are not some escapee from a lunatic asylum.

"incompresensible jibberish, all over the place, disjointed, constantly unhappy, paranoid"

I mean seriously girl ....go and get some help !!!!



NURSE!!!!!!!

PS...one last thing .....if there are any team managers or any qantas employees that work in the office posting on here they would be doing it from home as QANTAS have locked out all access to PPRuNe from Qantas IT at work.

Now if they are doing it from home then they are very dedicated i would think and take themselves very seriously. Personally if i were not a flight attendant i wouldnt bother
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Old 16th May 2009, 00:18
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4 pages here and 16 pages on the other thread in around a bout a week. That's 20 pages of going around and around in circles talking gibberish.
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Old 16th May 2009, 00:32
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pages of going around and around in circles talking gibberish.
There's no need to be so hard on yourself funbags.
But I do admit that I thought the same thing after reading your previous posts.The funny part is that even though you think something is gibberish you still spent the time to read it
That just about say's it all about you funbags.
By the way have you had a haircut recently?
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Old 17th May 2009, 03:40
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From memory heads_down said he/she used to work in QCC1
The reply from heads_down.
ok that's is not even the right memory, please remove that old module and put in that new microSD 16 gigs you can find anywhere in slip ports.
You might have your memory slipping yourself heads_down because you have forgetten what you wrote earlier.
In all my years of working in QCC, I can honestly tell all that the norm in Qantas Cabin Services is more "Crew dob in Crew" " the more the better"
if there are any team managers or any qantas employees that work in the office posting on here they would be doing it from home as QANTAS have locked out all access to PPRuNe from Qantas IT at work.
Nice try to put a spin on this Pegasus but do you think the internal QF system is the only way to access the internet at work for those who want to put their own spin on events just like the union does here on PPRuNe??
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Old 17th May 2009, 03:57
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IT Paranoia

QF IT has indeed a lock on certain websites.Any QF terminal user will tell you that their usage is continually monitored.
Its not spin JJ its fact.Ask around at QCC and it will be confirmed.
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Old 17th May 2009, 07:46
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Qantas- More a regime than a business
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Dear Heads Down... You Are An Idiot... Its Not Only Me That Thinks It... Read The Rest Of The Posts Here. Nobody Has Any Regard Of Your Opinion, You Are Widely Regarded As A Fool... Go Away... Please!
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Old 17th May 2009, 10:04
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bulstrode,
If you read my post again you will see that I am saying that the internal system is not the only way to access the internet.

You only have to look at why the company would go to the trouble of blocking a particular site.If no one in the office was looking at it and posting on PPRuNe then why would they bother?
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Gosh JJ

You dont mean people might use an internet cafe or maybe even their own computer.
Wow how fiendishly clever.
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bulstrode,it looks like you're finally starting to catch on.

However,how many internet cafes are there in QCC?

Have you heard of the saying
"There are people who can't see the forest for the trees"
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Old 18th May 2009, 00:27
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Internet Filters

Programmes used by Corporations to limit employee access to the internet dont target particular sites.Rather they limit access to innocous sites like Yahoo and Hotmail.
JJ your assumption is erroneous.
Case closed.Back to the thread topic
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