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Old 23rd May 2009, 07:41
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FNQcrew...

If I were you I would want it in writing from the company that you will be able to return to your original base.

Check that it is in plain English with no proviso's attached....Verbal agreements from a manager mean nothing.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 08:00
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I agree with Lowerlobe. Remember in a previous SH EBA there was a one off agreement to allow any ex longhaulers a transfer back to LH, if that's what they wanted. The EBA was voted up, and then the company dropped the bombshell that all of those transfers were to be to the Mel base. No one saw that coming. They all assumed that they could return to the base they had come from. Even the union had not considered this fact, no one had. But all that was in writing was 'a transfer back to LH', nothing about bases.

So similarly now, if the agreement only guarantees your position back in SH after 2 years (with nothing in writing about which base), you may very well end up back in a different base.
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Everything in triplicate

When dealing with Qantas Management get everything in writing and in triplicate.
Make sure it is witnessed by the local priest,your local member of parliament,a QC and Allan Joyce's mother.Also make sure it is read and understood by a union official and five of your closest friends.If there is any disparity in the reading and understanding of the document or the circumstances then dont do anything.
In short dont trust the bastards
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Old 23rd May 2009, 11:14
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Quote from Divisional Transfer information sheet on QF crew website..
"At the end of the fixed term period, crew will be returned to the base and category at the time of the transfer from shorthaul."
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Old 23rd May 2009, 14:40
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There was also another memo i sighted which stated that you could stay in the base that you transfered to. I.E, you are in CNS now, go to SYD for LH, then at the end of two years can stay in SYD as SH.
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Old 24th May 2009, 00:43
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The more likely scenario is that they will be allowed to stay in LH if they wish and SH is slowly being phased out and replaced by Jetstar.

The full service model domestically has a limited life in the current market and SH will slowly disappear. The model will be A380 /787/ jetstar Domestically and internationally and perhaps trunk route limited premium offering at peak times domestically

The world is changing rapidly and Qantas is evolving
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Old 24th May 2009, 00:59
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Peggy an Excellent Insight

With the phasing out of the domestics perhaps all this bickering and tribalism will end and we can get on with protecting our jobs and conditions...whats left of them anyway.
With QF there is always an agenda and a bigger picture.Its just difficult to see it sometimes.Some like Peg obviously wear the right glasses
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Old 24th May 2009, 01:04
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Good! Give all the domestic work to Jetstar, great idea
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Old 24th May 2009, 01:10
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for the economy passenger, jetstar leaves QF domestic for dead. Crew are young and enthusiastic, you get served 10 times faster. And the selection of product is 10 times better.

In reality if you are prepared to pay for what you want you get it instantly. of the tight asses that dont want to buy anything its great for those of us that do.


On a QF domestic flight everyone wants everything coz its free. On JQ you have to put you hand in your wallet...i totally love that!!

I am prepared to pay for what i want and i got a large can of coke "with ice", i got a ham sandwich, and a cup of coffee!!

Cost me 10 dollars i think from memory and worth every penny as i got it straight after take off and was able to finish it before top of descent.

In fact they came back a couple of times and asked me if i wanted anything else.

I am sorry but full service just makes people put their hand out for something coz they think they have already paid for it.

If we were handing out a dog turd some would take it lol
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Old 24th May 2009, 03:06
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Does anyone know YET how many positions will be available for domestics for the 2 year contract?

I have heard a lot of applications were lodged, however if you wanted to remain on the divisional transfer list you had to lodge the form anyway although a lot of forms were received not everyone was that interested in the 2 year fixed term deal they just wanted to secure their spot on the divisional transfer list.
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Old 24th May 2009, 04:13
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Pegasus747

From just listening and putting what I heard together.. was nearly 500 applicants and roughly 150 will go across on FT, and agree with Peg that those who go across can pretty much count on staying if they like..

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Old 24th May 2009, 04:30
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for the economy passenger, jetstar leaves QF domestic for dead. Crew are young and enthusiastic,
Now I know who's side you are on Pegasus....

You have got to be kidding Pegasus....
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Churn and Burn Lobey

The new world of flying is about young single people being CC for 3 to 5 years and then leaving through burnout.Fresh young faces all the time.No Super,not much staff travel,no accumulated LSL.
No one likes it but thats the way it is.The new generation have shown Airlines how they are prepared to accept lower wages.The race to bottom has begun.Their motto: "I'm cheap and proud to be cheap".
The Days of the Mohicans are coming to an end
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Pegasus stated that Jetstar leaves QF domestic for dead. I thought it was the other way round. Jetstar leaves QF international for dead.

Qantas Domestic and Jetstar International are the parts of the Qantas group actually making money. Qantas domestically is still very profitable. Qantas international is losing money, and has been doing so for some time. The Jetstar model is still able to make money internationally, and with their shiny new fleet, they will leave the ageing Qantas international fleet and service behind in the dark ages.
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so what is your point Call button.
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My point is to address the issues raised by Pegasus. Why would Qantas replace domestic with Jetstar, when domestic is very profitable as it is? Also why would they expand Qantas international when it is losing so much money. Surely they would give more routes to the successful Jetstar International. Jetstar are getting new aircraft for their international operations, so obviously one could conclude that Qantas will operate less international services as older aircraft begin to be retired.
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And further... if Qantas Domestic is not being phased out, then why would the SH cabin crew base be phased out. Unless of course there is a plan for LH to be endorsed on the 737 and take the rest of our flying!! LOL
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Confirmation that there was no point.
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Old 24th May 2009, 10:45
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Originally Posted by call button View Post
Why would Qantas replace domestic with Jetstar, when domestic is very profitable as it is?
Qantas has been very profitable in the past but that has not stopped them trying to cut costs, eg BKK,AKL,LHR bases and now QCCA.
Therefore replacing QF domestic with Jetstar makes perfect sense to management because it will make even more money.
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Old 24th May 2009, 13:42
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Therefore replacing QF domestic with Jetstar makes perfect sense to management because it will make even more money.
.........for Virgin!

We may see some changes to the domestic product to cut costs but to close down QF domestic would be suicide for the whole QF group. Why you people cannot see that each segment of the group is strategically important for the continued future of the whole company beggers belief.

Closing QF domestic would simply hand huge market share to Virgin and choke QF international out of existence. JQ cannot compete with Virgin alone and without JQ, Tiger would grow much quicker.

The Qantas group is a four legged table (QF INT, QF DOM, JQ INT, JQ DOM) upon which sits a range of market conditions. Cut off one leg and the table falls over. Simple!
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