QF SH/LH Temp Transfers
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So what do we all think of this?
I think it is great. but i am slightly worried that there is a catch there somewhere. Why would QF want to transfer crew over with a higher wage when they are trying to save money!? Higher wage being the new salary when you start operation on the A380 from LH1 with the top up payment. I understand A380 crew dont get allowances when they arrive at the hotel, is this correct? just 2.60 DTA.
I think it is great. but i am slightly worried that there is a catch there somewhere. Why would QF want to transfer crew over with a higher wage when they are trying to save money!? Higher wage being the new salary when you start operation on the A380 from LH1 with the top up payment. I understand A380 crew dont get allowances when they arrive at the hotel, is this correct? just 2.60 DTA.
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Well to me then it seems like a great deal! I doubt they will even have a CNS base left after everyone there wants to leave..
Is anyone else thinking of taking up the offer? why or why not?
Is anyone else thinking of taking up the offer? why or why not?
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i think that the offer is a great one. It saves the junior crew from being made redundant, it allows the company to burn the excess leave in short haul, and it still allows QAL LH crew to go to the A380 if they want to and stops the QCCA crew from being sent there if they dont want to.
At the end of the day the crew on the A380 and the company really want to work with people who WANT to be there and understand the deal. Personally its not for me as seniority is really important as is the control i need over my life.
But everyone that i speak to seems to be enjoying the culture and the work and the aircraft.
I dont think that it's utopia but its a place where everyone is equal and i think that crew there seem to like that feeling.
Seniority counts for duty travel only and the compliance sheet because of chain of command, hotel room allocation also flows from that as a bi product but apart from that it seems to be ok
The last EBA provides that existing SH crew transfer to LH under part one conditions so you will get exactly what LH QAL crew get when they go to A380
Base salary for a flight attendant with top up is about 66K and then you get meal allowances, overtime and Incidental allowance on top of that
You will get a dry cleaning card for uniforms, and home transport in accordance with the LH EBA
At the end of the day the crew on the A380 and the company really want to work with people who WANT to be there and understand the deal. Personally its not for me as seniority is really important as is the control i need over my life.
But everyone that i speak to seems to be enjoying the culture and the work and the aircraft.
I dont think that it's utopia but its a place where everyone is equal and i think that crew there seem to like that feeling.
Seniority counts for duty travel only and the compliance sheet because of chain of command, hotel room allocation also flows from that as a bi product but apart from that it seems to be ok
The last EBA provides that existing SH crew transfer to LH under part one conditions so you will get exactly what LH QAL crew get when they go to A380
Base salary for a flight attendant with top up is about 66K and then you get meal allowances, overtime and Incidental allowance on top of that
You will get a dry cleaning card for uniforms, and home transport in accordance with the LH EBA
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To Airbus Gally Girl....
BKK based Jetstar Asia do the most inhumane duties....BKK-SIN-PER...then turn around PER-SIN-BKK...that is a 19 hour duty...with no break. There is also no crew rest on their A320...the only time they are allowed to sit in their jumpseat is for taking off/landing + turbulence + eating crew meal.....at no other times are they permitted to sit down. If they have a good 'CSM' onboard, then they are permitted to block off a toilet and use it as crew rest. The crew take turns sleeping in there.
Selection onto A380 will be merit based, however it is not clear how they will select for the mainline fleet. As I have alluded to in another post....my guess is that preference will be given to the AO crew. Another preference will be given to those who are already on the Divisional transfer list.
I can assume that the company will choose FAs based on such things as:
1. Good BPRs
2. Satisfactory sick leave balances
3. Certified language skills, preferable Level 4, 5, 6 in the Qantas Priority Languages.
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Selection onto A380 will be merit based, however it is not clear how they will select for the mainline fleet. As I have alluded to in another post....my guess is that preference will be given to the AO crew. Another preference will be given to those who are already on the Divisional transfer list.
I can assume that the company will choose FAs based on such things as:
1. Good BPRs
2. Satisfactory sick leave balances
3. Certified language skills, preferable Level 4, 5, 6 in the Qantas Priority Languages.
Regards,
Domestos
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If that 19 hour tour of duty is correct,accurate and with no crew rest then it is something that should be raised with CASA.
Both the Cabin Crew and Pilots unions should be very concerned with this..if it is true and a regular pattern..
Jetstar is basically an Australian airline even if overseas interests have a share.
They are also operating into and out of Australian airports....
We can't do much about their pay but we should be very concerned about adequate crew rest of Australian owned aircraft and aircraft operating in and out of Australia........
Both the Cabin Crew and Pilots unions should be very concerned with this..if it is true and a regular pattern..
Jetstar is basically an Australian airline even if overseas interests have a share.
They are also operating into and out of Australian airports....
We can't do much about their pay but we should be very concerned about adequate crew rest of Australian owned aircraft and aircraft operating in and out of Australia........
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Jetstar Asian have foreign registered aircraft and are beyond the reach of Australian Laws.
CASA are a toothless tiger and completely useless . There has never been an organisation that tugs the forelock to Qantas like those pack off sycophants
CASA are a toothless tiger and completely useless . There has never been an organisation that tugs the forelock to Qantas like those pack off sycophants
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Pegasus,I know what you are saying about foreign registered aircraft but Lobey is right and I think this would be worth looking into.If any foreign vessel/aircraft operates into an Australian port and there are safety concerns then it should be raised with the government,CASA and the media.
If it embarrasses the parent airline it's worth thinking about.
It might just achieve something but if you don't try then you will never know.
If it embarrasses the parent airline it's worth thinking about.
It might just achieve something but if you don't try then you will never know.
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The issue of OS a/c being used - indeed even the 'defacto' AOC's is a significant risk to everyone flying in Australian skies and a significant ri8s to jobs.
The issue is that while the legislative environment is prescriptive and gives CASA significant powers of oversight, the reality is that regulatory environment is eroded by the Authority enabling various instruments - in simple terms the "law" is downgraded to departmental process.
QF, DJ, JQ, are all exploiting the opportunites - alongside the other forgein carriers who can fly in and out of Australia under the standards applicable to their OWN country. (All three are stretching the envelope and are looking for more - just read their green paper submissions)
Then you have the likes of various airport operators (ie NTL) and the Vic Government who claim that NZ should be classified as domestic ops in australia and that we should have an open door for any airline to fly into and around Australian skies.
The thread is about jobs and standards - unfortunately the issues are messy and whilever we have pollies who accept the BS from their minders and depts , and Authorities that believe in self regulation as long as they can report an operating profit - safety and jobs will be further eroded.
One day we might even have a shadow minister that might wake from the afternoon sleep long enough to pose some questions.
AT
The issue is that while the legislative environment is prescriptive and gives CASA significant powers of oversight, the reality is that regulatory environment is eroded by the Authority enabling various instruments - in simple terms the "law" is downgraded to departmental process.
QF, DJ, JQ, are all exploiting the opportunites - alongside the other forgein carriers who can fly in and out of Australia under the standards applicable to their OWN country. (All three are stretching the envelope and are looking for more - just read their green paper submissions)
Then you have the likes of various airport operators (ie NTL) and the Vic Government who claim that NZ should be classified as domestic ops in australia and that we should have an open door for any airline to fly into and around Australian skies.
The thread is about jobs and standards - unfortunately the issues are messy and whilever we have pollies who accept the BS from their minders and depts , and Authorities that believe in self regulation as long as they can report an operating profit - safety and jobs will be further eroded.
One day we might even have a shadow minister that might wake from the afternoon sleep long enough to pose some questions.
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Well it needs someone that actually knows the facts, dates, times, aircraft registration to provide the information to the Union and more importantly report it to CASA.
No one can just make a generic complaint based on an anonymous post on pprune, for a foreign carrier without any details.
No one can just make a generic complaint based on an anonymous post on pprune, for a foreign carrier without any details.
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well said Peg
although the good Minister for airport noise is a little slow in responding to letters unless it is to funnel Fed $ to a select few wayward Victorian councils that are running a little too close to the Auditor General's scrutiny. (standby for Brimbank II).
That said, it would be good for the unions to start compiling the data
a/c rego date ops rpt/charter etc - and make a factual submission.
although the good Minister for airport noise is a little slow in responding to letters unless it is to funnel Fed $ to a select few wayward Victorian councils that are running a little too close to the Auditor General's scrutiny. (standby for Brimbank II).
That said, it would be good for the unions to start compiling the data
a/c rego date ops rpt/charter etc - and make a factual submission.
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gee and i thought
the union would have any idea about these issues.then again as a CSM pointed out recently over a couple of chardies there seems to be no relationship whatsoever between the current faaa three amigos and state/federal politicians let alone casa. 
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When the FAAA had a virtual full time regulatory affairs officer, )about 100k pa in costs,) that funnily enough was a LH CSM, qantas expanded overseas bases, increased the hours of overseas based crew, we lost the A330 flying to domestic crew, the company set up jetstar on inferior conditions etc
You can have all the relationships in the world with those ass licking bureaucrats and politicians but you cant outspend Qantas' bribes.
Upgrades, full time lobbyists, Chairman's Lounge Membership, free flights and other kickbacks.
what you can do is concentrate on things like Allowances, Salaries, maintaining conditions , getting extra flying etc
You can have all the relationships in the world with those ass licking bureaucrats and politicians but you cant outspend Qantas' bribes.
Upgrades, full time lobbyists, Chairman's Lounge Membership, free flights and other kickbacks.
what you can do is concentrate on things like Allowances, Salaries, maintaining conditions , getting extra flying etc
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I heard some f/a's saying today that after the 2yr temp transfer to LH that you will be returned to SH but the base you get sent back to might not be the one you came from.For example at the end of 2years they could send you to PER base even though your now SYD base. Any basis to this rumour??? At the end of 2yrs are we going back to our original bases?