Afap/aipa Mou
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Afap/aipa Mou
Below I have reprinted the MOU between the two organisations which gives a bit of information about a closer working relationship of the Australian Commercial Pilot representative organisations.This is placed for information only.
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING
BETWEEN
AUSTRALIAN FEDERATION OF AIR PILOTS (AFAP)
AND
AUSTRALIAN AND INTERNATIONAL PILOTS’ ASSOCIATION (AIPA)
Background
In 1997 the Australian Airline Pilots Association (AusALPA) was originally formed as a democratic organisation to manage the relationship between the parties, promote communication with, and participation of Australian pilots in, the International Federation of Airline Pilots Associations (IFALPA). In 2002 the governance of AusALPA was updated.
Discussions between representatives of the Australian Federation of Air Pilots (AFAP) and the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) were recently held in Auckland in March 2009. The parties agreed to an MOU that further develops AusALPA with the objective of providing Australian Professional Pilots with a unified voice in addressing the many challenges facing all pilots today.
IT IS HEREBY AGREED THAT:
1. AFAP and AIPA will cooperate and undertake joint action in the following areas:
a. Safety and Technical;
b. Welfare;
c. Regulatory matters; and
d. Government Relations.
2. Cooperation between the parties will include, but will not be limited to, sharing information and resources and enhanced communications between the parties and to the membership.
3. Joint action between the parties will include, but will not be limited to, joint presentations, submissions and media releases. All joint actions must be approved by the Presidents of both parties prior to submission and/or release.
4. The parties furthermore agree to inform and update their respective memberships about this Memorandum.
5. The parties agree to meet regularly and as required by either party.
6. The parties agree to further pursue the objects of AusALPA by exploring the means by which its structure and effectiveness can be enhanced. It is, however, acknowledged by both parties that further enhancing the objects of AusALPA is required to better protect interest of all Australian professional pilots.
7. This Memorandum requires the approval of the respective governing bodies of both AFAP and AIPA.
Signatories
DATED 8 APRIL 2009
For Australian Federation of Air Pilots:
____________________________________
Captain Bryan Murray - President
For The Australian and International Pilots’ Association:
____________________________________
Captain Barry Jackson - President
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING
BETWEEN
AUSTRALIAN FEDERATION OF AIR PILOTS (AFAP)
AND
AUSTRALIAN AND INTERNATIONAL PILOTS’ ASSOCIATION (AIPA)
Background
In 1997 the Australian Airline Pilots Association (AusALPA) was originally formed as a democratic organisation to manage the relationship between the parties, promote communication with, and participation of Australian pilots in, the International Federation of Airline Pilots Associations (IFALPA). In 2002 the governance of AusALPA was updated.
Discussions between representatives of the Australian Federation of Air Pilots (AFAP) and the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) were recently held in Auckland in March 2009. The parties agreed to an MOU that further develops AusALPA with the objective of providing Australian Professional Pilots with a unified voice in addressing the many challenges facing all pilots today.
IT IS HEREBY AGREED THAT:
1. AFAP and AIPA will cooperate and undertake joint action in the following areas:
a. Safety and Technical;
b. Welfare;
c. Regulatory matters; and
d. Government Relations.
2. Cooperation between the parties will include, but will not be limited to, sharing information and resources and enhanced communications between the parties and to the membership.
3. Joint action between the parties will include, but will not be limited to, joint presentations, submissions and media releases. All joint actions must be approved by the Presidents of both parties prior to submission and/or release.
4. The parties furthermore agree to inform and update their respective memberships about this Memorandum.
5. The parties agree to meet regularly and as required by either party.
6. The parties agree to further pursue the objects of AusALPA by exploring the means by which its structure and effectiveness can be enhanced. It is, however, acknowledged by both parties that further enhancing the objects of AusALPA is required to better protect interest of all Australian professional pilots.
7. This Memorandum requires the approval of the respective governing bodies of both AFAP and AIPA.
Signatories
DATED 8 APRIL 2009
For Australian Federation of Air Pilots:
____________________________________
Captain Bryan Murray - President
For The Australian and International Pilots’ Association:
____________________________________
Captain Barry Jackson - President
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Congratulations! - is not before time. 
Can only be good for Australia, its Airlines and its Pilots.
Clearly pilot associations around the world prefer the collaborative approach of South West Airlines and not the divide and conquer approach of Ryan Air.
Let's hope that pilots united can collectively make a difference. Mind you, don't believe divide and conquer was ever going to work in Australia anyway.
Can only be good for Australia, its Airlines and its Pilots.
Clearly pilot associations around the world prefer the collaborative approach of South West Airlines and not the divide and conquer approach of Ryan Air.
Let's hope that pilots united can collectively make a difference. Mind you, don't believe divide and conquer was ever going to work in Australia anyway.
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How about you f
k off Obie
Its about time the 2 organisations got past their archaic baby-boomer hangups and bad blood and made some progress.
The past is for learning from, not living in.
Good work
TC
k off ObieIts about time the 2 organisations got past their archaic baby-boomer hangups and bad blood and made some progress.
The past is for learning from, not living in.
Good work
TC
Good Start.
Genuine cooperation between the AFAP and AIPA could help all career pilots by stopping the rot in conditions and pay. Safety and life style issues for pilots are under constant attack and erosion because of narrow operating margins and the regulatory weakness of CASA. Give this MOU a chance to evolve and we should all be better served by our pilot groups in the long term. You don't have to lower your personal flags to be a bit cooperative with your fellow aviators. Some issues just want to bight everyone the same. Good work Lawrie.
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It is a start, but both the AFAP and AIPA have serious baggage and self interest issues that ultimately undermine solidarity across all pilot groups.
The current Jetstar EBA is a great example of where NOT to be (from a union perspective.)
In this case, the parties to the EBA are AFAP, JPA, Jetstar. But AIPA representaion in terms of membership is far greater than the AFAP. The JPA is a toothless tiger. The AFAP has hardly been proactive once the EBA was signed off. Combine this now with the distinct possibility of QF pilot redundancies, MOU issues, conflict between AIPA JQ/QF pilots etc etc. and it's all very confusing.
I am not arguing here for or against either union or the merits of the issues involved, but hope this illustrates the reality of where some of us are now. I'm sure there are numerous other examples.
In short, it's a bloody mess.
What's needed is a new (no AIPA or AFAP baggage) "cleanskin" umbrella organisation somewhat along the lines of BALPA that contains the headline administration, loss of licence, legals, industrial and related components.
Each member airline has its' own council that utilises as required the capabilities of the union. It quarantines airline specific issues where required, but more importantly, combines specific issues where they effect all of the constituent members.
The current Jetstar EBA is a great example of where NOT to be (from a union perspective.)
In this case, the parties to the EBA are AFAP, JPA, Jetstar. But AIPA representaion in terms of membership is far greater than the AFAP. The JPA is a toothless tiger. The AFAP has hardly been proactive once the EBA was signed off. Combine this now with the distinct possibility of QF pilot redundancies, MOU issues, conflict between AIPA JQ/QF pilots etc etc. and it's all very confusing.
I am not arguing here for or against either union or the merits of the issues involved, but hope this illustrates the reality of where some of us are now. I'm sure there are numerous other examples.
In short, it's a bloody mess.
What's needed is a new (no AIPA or AFAP baggage) "cleanskin" umbrella organisation somewhat along the lines of BALPA that contains the headline administration, loss of licence, legals, industrial and related components.
Each member airline has its' own council that utilises as required the capabilities of the union. It quarantines airline specific issues where required, but more importantly, combines specific issues where they effect all of the constituent members.
