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Never a truer word spoken Peg about the unsung heroes and those that have the badges being self promoters. Not true in all cases of course but enough to make you question its validity. Its a real shame that those that bust their guts and have even still managed to maintain a small degree of pride in their job (and dare i say it, in the company) dont even get so much as a thanks from the office when going above and beyond their job description.
Anyway, the previous posts are spot on. We need to band together. Its not going to happen overnight but it will. This LH SH thing sometimes seems to be as intractible as the situation in the Middle East. Im probably going over the top but Im just really passionate about the idea of one union representing
us ALL. Can you imagine the possibilities!!
Anyway, for now ill just dream on.......
Anyway, the previous posts are spot on. We need to band together. Its not going to happen overnight but it will. This LH SH thing sometimes seems to be as intractible as the situation in the Middle East. Im probably going over the top but Im just really passionate about the idea of one union representing
us ALL. Can you imagine the possibilities!!
Anyway, for now ill just dream on.......
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I should have realised when the quote was from twiggs but you might be onto something here Pegasus ...Originally posted by twiggs
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However....I had the misunderstanding that the union was there to protect the conditions and keep an eye on the company...
Did you...sorry the union ever suggest other options so as to negate the company's idea to cut cost by reducing the crew complement?
Pegasus..do you still have those muffin mornings...maybe you should get back to baking....
It is only being done because of lower than normal forward bookings.
On flights that are full, an extra crew member will be added on a case by case basis.
On flights that are full, an extra crew member will be added on a case by case basis.
The company never promised to put additional crew on depending on load, it was a stupid comment made by one manager at crew briefings that the company couldnt deliver on or manage effectively
The company determines the crew complement and always have.
Pegasus..do you still have those muffin mornings...maybe you should get back to baking....
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i cant imagine the union ever suggesting that we reduce crew complement. When i first heard the suggestion my immediate thought is that you would then have additional crew sitting around and that would exaccerbate the surplus.
But it seems that the cancellation of planned recruiting overseas and the transfer of more international flying from Short haul has soaked up more or the surplus.
The Union in response has suggested the cancellation of all Bar Services - which has been acceded to
The Union has suggested the cancellation of the second meal service on short sectors into and out of Australia from Asia which is at this time sitting with Marjketing- and looks like being replaced with a bulk service
The Unions also suggested that the 16 crew be kept on the 4 class aircraft flying to JNB and QF9/10 due to time and pax load which is currently being assessed.
If you can think of something constructive to offer other than the usual drivel and criticism i am sure we would all be grateful.
There are some armchair experts in here that clearly act like roosters that think that the sun only comes up to hear them crow
But it seems that the cancellation of planned recruiting overseas and the transfer of more international flying from Short haul has soaked up more or the surplus.
The Union in response has suggested the cancellation of all Bar Services - which has been acceded to
The Union has suggested the cancellation of the second meal service on short sectors into and out of Australia from Asia which is at this time sitting with Marjketing- and looks like being replaced with a bulk service
The Unions also suggested that the 16 crew be kept on the 4 class aircraft flying to JNB and QF9/10 due to time and pax load which is currently being assessed.
If you can think of something constructive to offer other than the usual drivel and criticism i am sure we would all be grateful.
There are some armchair experts in here that clearly act like roosters that think that the sun only comes up to hear them crow
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The Union in response has suggested the cancellation of all Bar Services - which has been acceded to
And Yes we have all seen the numerous occasions when you have relented.....sorry worked with the company over the years so as to be flexible.....
I have talked to crew and the reduction of one crew member is a huge win with them.....just like the proverbial finger in the dam trying to stem the flow of water .....it just does not work but in response doing away with the bar.....an act of genius.
How about things .....like lowering the divisor across the board or the company using crew who want to be at home more often to work in the terminal as traffic staff (it's not as if the company ever has too many people meet an aircraft) ....or is anything you don't think of or get the company to agree to drivel...
Get that oven going Pegasus and start baking those muffins.....
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Oh God Lowelobe, you just dont get it to you..you poor old dear
Now given that the company has announced 1225 ground staff to go, i am sure an offer from LH flight attendants to do their work while working for less money with a lower divisor will really endear us to the poor sods in ground staff losing their jobs...let alone the ASU
Please i really do suggest that they take your internet away in the nursing home as your dementia is getting worse
Now given that the company has announced 1225 ground staff to go, i am sure an offer from LH flight attendants to do their work while working for less money with a lower divisor will really endear us to the poor sods in ground staff losing their jobs...let alone the ASU
Please i really do suggest that they take your internet away in the nursing home as your dementia is getting worse
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lowerlobe, your suggestion about working in traffic... no good.
.............. '' '' '' lower divisor to save f/a positions.... i think those quokkas under the gun would be extremely enthusiastic about it. maybe, it would generate some goodwill between qals and quokkas.
bring on one union with one decision making body for all flight attendants
.............. '' '' '' lower divisor to save f/a positions.... i think those quokkas under the gun would be extremely enthusiastic about it. maybe, it would generate some goodwill between qals and quokkas.
bring on one union with one decision making body for all flight attendants
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I'm sure most crew would be willing to lower the divisor to ensure that our fellow colleagues (both QAL QCCA) do not lose their jobs.
BUT first......and very important........close the offshore bases!
BUT first......and very important........close the offshore bases!
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Shorthaul reducing hours
I have heard (so I don't know whether it's true or not) that the shorthaul union are looking at the possibility of lowering everyone's working hours as an alternative to CR, should it become necessary. Apparently 110 hrs per bid period for full time, and I don't know about part time. I would imagine that should this become a necessary alternative to CR, it would have to be put to a vote and accepted by a majority. I wonder how many people would be willing to accept lower hours and pay to save the jobs of others??
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Lowering Hours ot Save Jobs
Most CC in LH would have no problem in lowering hours to save jobs and prevent CR....in LongHaul.
This current situation will prevail for about 18 months and then its business as usual...whatever 'usual" is.
This industry just does not stop changing.Probably why many of us love it so much
This current situation will prevail for about 18 months and then its business as usual...whatever 'usual" is.
This industry just does not stop changing.Probably why many of us love it so much
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Pegasus747,Do you think you could discuss this without the personal attacks and sarcasm?
I don't agree with LL's idea about working on the ground but I do agree with the lowering of the divisor and if it helps to prevent job losses then it's worth looking at.It would be far better than reducing the crew number because as we all know the company once it has something will never give it back.
If you think that the company will give us back the crew then you are the one suffering from dementia.
All we get from the union is this is the way it is and we get attacked if we dare suggest anything.Pegasus747,your arrogance is outstanding
I don't agree with LL's idea about working on the ground but I do agree with the lowering of the divisor and if it helps to prevent job losses then it's worth looking at.It would be far better than reducing the crew number because as we all know the company once it has something will never give it back.
If you think that the company will give us back the crew then you are the one suffering from dementia.
All we get from the union is this is the way it is and we get attacked if we dare suggest anything.Pegasus747,your arrogance is outstanding
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Peg 747 Arrogant?
You are confusing arrogance with intelligence.Peg posts intelligent and concise information.A font of knowlege he is.Before making comment he does the research.Most posts here are made without research or knowlege just stupidity.
Why O why would we work on the ground and make the situation worse for those already there?.We would need to be trained for a start.The relationship with those groundstaff at airports is generally good.Lets keep it that way.
JJ you reside in Melbourne.Nuff said
Why O why would we work on the ground and make the situation worse for those already there?.We would need to be trained for a start.The relationship with those groundstaff at airports is generally good.Lets keep it that way.
JJ you reside in Melbourne.Nuff said
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get off the cross we need the wood.
I dont attack people to make rational sensible decisions but if i am attacked as being some company lackey or imbecile that doesnt think things through then i am going to respond. If you dont like it too bad.
I am not going to change because some can dish it out but cant take it when given back. if you cant stand the heat as they say.....
As far as suggestions of lowering the divisor i think the union has indicated in a couple of newsletters that they will explore every option to avoid compulsory redundancy.
If you think that they are going to give the company a list of things that they have considered then you are loopy.
the fAAA LH dont trust the company but they do have to work with them. They have learned over MANY years that if you offer something they will take that and want even more.
IF and i stress IF it ever gets to the stage of last on first off redundancy for LH crew it will be after Many members meetings, where every possible alternative has been explored with the membership.
Despite what you may think of My personal arrogance, the one thing i can say about the current officials is despite the rhetoric about them, they have delivered greater job security than would be expected under the circumstances.
the proof of the pudding is in the eating. jetstar have closed bases, and VB have already announced crew redundancies. There is no suggesstion of LH crew being made redundant and i would suggest that there will not be any announced by the company before some very detailed discussion with the FAAA and i am sure you would hear from them first not the company.
just as some of those tossers in the media are speculating about the demise of Qantas i personally dont see that coming and am not prepared to contemplate CR for LH crew in the current environment.
you can say you dont agree with my views or arrogance but if you can point out where i have actually predicted something incorrectly or stated something that was incorrect at fact please point it out
I dont attack people to make rational sensible decisions but if i am attacked as being some company lackey or imbecile that doesnt think things through then i am going to respond. If you dont like it too bad.
I am not going to change because some can dish it out but cant take it when given back. if you cant stand the heat as they say.....
As far as suggestions of lowering the divisor i think the union has indicated in a couple of newsletters that they will explore every option to avoid compulsory redundancy.
If you think that they are going to give the company a list of things that they have considered then you are loopy.
the fAAA LH dont trust the company but they do have to work with them. They have learned over MANY years that if you offer something they will take that and want even more.
IF and i stress IF it ever gets to the stage of last on first off redundancy for LH crew it will be after Many members meetings, where every possible alternative has been explored with the membership.
Despite what you may think of My personal arrogance, the one thing i can say about the current officials is despite the rhetoric about them, they have delivered greater job security than would be expected under the circumstances.
the proof of the pudding is in the eating. jetstar have closed bases, and VB have already announced crew redundancies. There is no suggesstion of LH crew being made redundant and i would suggest that there will not be any announced by the company before some very detailed discussion with the FAAA and i am sure you would hear from them first not the company.
just as some of those tossers in the media are speculating about the demise of Qantas i personally dont see that coming and am not prepared to contemplate CR for LH crew in the current environment.
you can say you dont agree with my views or arrogance but if you can point out where i have actually predicted something incorrectly or stated something that was incorrect at fact please point it out
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Pegasus
Even though we have disagreed in the past I always find your posts informative and very amusing (not as good as domestos) but close.
Keep up your informative posts and always add your wicked sense of humour....as far as JJ goes, as stated in a previous post he is from Mel...that says it all.
Even though we have disagreed in the past I always find your posts informative and very amusing (not as good as domestos) but close.
Keep up your informative posts and always add your wicked sense of humour....as far as JJ goes, as stated in a previous post he is from Mel...that says it all.
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Oh Pegasus,
how adroit your observations on the friendship farm aboard the HMS Excrement, I totally agree re those shameless badge chasers and the usual sycophantic hangers on worming their way around,,,,indeed those managers who do bugger all those that come straight out of the June Dalley Watkins School of refinement must surely be walking the gangplank to retrenchment.
They are a waste of space and money> Can anyone please tell me what they do that helps crew to do their jobs more effectively ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????
how adroit your observations on the friendship farm aboard the HMS Excrement, I totally agree re those shameless badge chasers and the usual sycophantic hangers on worming their way around,,,,indeed those managers who do bugger all those that come straight out of the June Dalley Watkins School of refinement must surely be walking the gangplank to retrenchment.
They are a waste of space and money> Can anyone please tell me what they do that helps crew to do their jobs more effectively ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????
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my understanding is that of the 1750 employees earmarked for CR about 500 are managers and the rest are other staff of the non crew variety.
I dont know how many from cabin services, and despite my differences with many of them i am not enjoying the prospect of anyone losing their livlihoods.
No matter how we regard them or their competence many of them have made Qantas their lives as we have and its a very sad time
I dont know how many from cabin services, and despite my differences with many of them i am not enjoying the prospect of anyone losing their livlihoods.
No matter how we regard them or their competence many of them have made Qantas their lives as we have and its a very sad time
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Sad For a Short Time
Lets not forget that some in Cabin Services who may lose their jobs have been responsible for others being shown the front door.
What you send around comes around.Fatboy Slim is a case in point.A paricularly unpleasant person.As a manager you are required to be objective.This person personalizes everything.Anger and vengance are just two of his more delightful qualities.If he goes I will not shed a single tear
What you send around comes around.Fatboy Slim is a case in point.A paricularly unpleasant person.As a manager you are required to be objective.This person personalizes everything.Anger and vengance are just two of his more delightful qualities.If he goes I will not shed a single tear
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Pegasus,
I respect your point re losing your livlihood, however there are many managers in Cabin Services who gladly turned their backs on many of our colleagues. I find it hard to feel sympathy for those who were ruthless. However I believe in Karma not ill will.
I respect your point re losing your livlihood, however there are many managers in Cabin Services who gladly turned their backs on many of our colleagues. I find it hard to feel sympathy for those who were ruthless. However I believe in Karma not ill will.
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sadly,
when redundancy occurs you often lose some very good people. BCG will probably be quite indiscriminate and we end up keeping some of the ones we would least like to survive and lose some of the ones that have really engaged and got it right.
Last on first of provides order but not always the best outcome. Some view it as fair and some dont . I find it easier to try and avoid it at almost any cost.... i went through it in the 90's and it was horrible then and still is now
when redundancy occurs you often lose some very good people. BCG will probably be quite indiscriminate and we end up keeping some of the ones we would least like to survive and lose some of the ones that have really engaged and got it right.
Last on first of provides order but not always the best outcome. Some view it as fair and some dont . I find it easier to try and avoid it at almost any cost.... i went through it in the 90's and it was horrible then and still is now