A history lesson in Australian Aviation for a certain reporter...
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B737 in Cairns
what about the B737 that did 2 approaches into Cairns in about 88-89, broke off from both because they lost sight of the runway...behind a spot height of about 700 feet! 
Turns out they were flying a Coolangatta approach, not a Cairns approach, wrong page open on the plates.
Turns out they were flying a Coolangatta approach, not a Cairns approach, wrong page open on the plates.
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QF 717 14 VOR into YBMK descends well below procedure level on outbound leg . Aiming at Black Mountain, continuing the approach after Tower low altitude alert, then trying to land on the Bruce Highway south of Mackay (approx hdg 180)
Once again saved by the Tower. Initially not following the Missed app tracking.!!!
Once again saved by the Tower. Initially not following the Missed app tracking.!!!
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Originally Posted by Yobbo
How about the Qantas B767 who was preparing to ditch because the wx was below limits in Perth a few years back. Cooler heads in SYD prevailed and he did a auto land.
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Yeah but these are all near misses. Emirates went and hit stuff with a few hundred people on board. I reckon in terms of damaged planes this could be biggest number of people to come close to dying in a plane that ran into something it wasn't supposed to in Australia since the TAA jet clipped a Canadian jet at Sydney.
This sort of thing doesn't get an airing in the press. It is not likely Ben S. would know of any of these incidents. Good stories though, keep them coming!
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If Crikey and the 'net were around in '89 maybe these incidents would have been better disclosed to the public.
I don't know who owns/operates the site but the more sources of information the better. Better still if they are not owned by murdoch
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If Crikey and the 'net were around in '89 maybe these incidents would have been better disclosed to the public.
I don't know who owns/operates the site but the more sources of information the better. Better still if they are not owned by murdoch
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Is this dill related to another dill by the same name who yabbers on Sydney radio?
He used to write quite well but has become a bitter and twisted cranky old bastard in recent years by the looks of it.
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Is this dill related to another dill by the same name who yabbers on Sydney radio?
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I was going to put a message on his blog but someone beat me to it.
Anyhow, in his reply Kyle (Maybe he's Kyle's dad) came up with two other horror stories we've all missed.
I did think about that incident, and two others at Sydney as well, but the real test of a non fatal airliner accident is a jet that slams into something.
The Malaysia Airlines double pod strike at Melbourne only had 170 or 180 passengers on board. Only! Emirates had 225 passengers, four pilots, and I guessing here, at least six cabin crew.
There was no damaged to either airliner involved in a late 80s or early 90s incident at Sydney where a Cathay Pacific 747 that was in the process of taking off had an empty 747 towed across the runway ahead it it. The CX jet was rotated early, sort of hopped over the other jet, which I think was a Qantas 747, settled toward or even onto the runway beyond, and then continued its somewhat spectacular takeoff to Hong Kong.
If memory is correct, a few years later, I think in the early 90s, there was a triple near miss involving a Thai DC-10, an Ansett A320 and a Qantas 747. The Thai jet had been landing from the south and been told to hold short of the intersection of the (then) two runways. The Ansett A320 had priority in landing from the NE on the east-west runway, and the Qantas 747 was holding near the intersection with a full load. When the Ansett pilots realised the Thai jet wasn’t going to stop where instructed they began a go around. They missed the protruding nose of the Thai jet by about 20 feet. Had they hit it given the proximity of the Qantas jet, there was a serious risk of a disaster that would have engulfed three jets and around 700 passengers. In a story in The Bulletin a Qantas source was quoted as saying that the pilots had advised the cabin crew to prepare for a full evacuation as they feared a collision could occur.
But there was no contact between the jets. Although a serious incident, I think the limits were pushed a lot harder by EK 407 than any other non fatal incident in Australia so far.
Thanks for the tip off about Pprune. It can be entertaining at times. I had a look today at the main thread on the Emirates incident and that seemed to contain some knowledgeable speculation in the last few pages as to what could have caused the incident. The other stuff is just sand pit nonsense, which you is inevitable on all open forums.
Anyhow, in his reply Kyle
(Maybe he's Kyle's dad) came up with two other horror stories we've all missed.I did think about that incident, and two others at Sydney as well, but the real test of a non fatal airliner accident is a jet that slams into something.
The Malaysia Airlines double pod strike at Melbourne only had 170 or 180 passengers on board. Only! Emirates had 225 passengers, four pilots, and I guessing here, at least six cabin crew.
There was no damaged to either airliner involved in a late 80s or early 90s incident at Sydney where a Cathay Pacific 747 that was in the process of taking off had an empty 747 towed across the runway ahead it it. The CX jet was rotated early, sort of hopped over the other jet, which I think was a Qantas 747, settled toward or even onto the runway beyond, and then continued its somewhat spectacular takeoff to Hong Kong.
If memory is correct, a few years later, I think in the early 90s, there was a triple near miss involving a Thai DC-10, an Ansett A320 and a Qantas 747. The Thai jet had been landing from the south and been told to hold short of the intersection of the (then) two runways. The Ansett A320 had priority in landing from the NE on the east-west runway, and the Qantas 747 was holding near the intersection with a full load. When the Ansett pilots realised the Thai jet wasn’t going to stop where instructed they began a go around. They missed the protruding nose of the Thai jet by about 20 feet. Had they hit it given the proximity of the Qantas jet, there was a serious risk of a disaster that would have engulfed three jets and around 700 passengers. In a story in The Bulletin a Qantas source was quoted as saying that the pilots had advised the cabin crew to prepare for a full evacuation as they feared a collision could occur.
But there was no contact between the jets. Although a serious incident, I think the limits were pushed a lot harder by EK 407 than any other non fatal incident in Australia so far.
Thanks for the tip off about Pprune. It can be entertaining at times. I had a look today at the main thread on the Emirates incident and that seemed to contain some knowledgeable speculation in the last few pages as to what could have caused the incident. The other stuff is just sand pit nonsense, which you is inevitable on all open forums.
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The CX jet was rotated early, sort of hopped over the other jet, which I think was a Qantas 747, settled toward or even onto the runway beyond, and then continued its somewhat spectacular takeoff to Hong Kong.
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Originally Posted by Yobbo
How about the Qantas B767 who was preparing to ditch because the wx was below limits in Perth a few years back. Cooler heads in SYD prevailed and he did a auto land.
Neither, and it wasn't anything like that. But believe what you want.
Originally Posted by Yobbo
How about the Qantas B767 who was preparing to ditch because the wx was below limits in Perth a few years back. Cooler heads in SYD prevailed and he did a auto land.
Was a 330 wasn't it???
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**** it happened
FoxTrop Alpha,
I thought 'Kyle' had to be joking but maybe he does know his history. It happened. On September 11 1990 and the 9.3 MB report on the ATSB site is 199002359.pdf.
It includes the scariest diagram I've even seen of a CX plane at more than 10 degrees pitch up soaring over the back of the QF jet. They must have ordered a truck load of fresh undies for its arrival in Honkers.
I thought 'Kyle' had to be joking but maybe he does know his history. It happened. On September 11 1990 and the 9.3 MB report on the ATSB site is 199002359.pdf.
It includes the scariest diagram I've even seen of a CX plane at more than 10 degrees pitch up soaring over the back of the QF jet. They must have ordered a truck load of fresh undies for its arrival in Honkers.
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197-something. Al Italia 747 maintained 3000' on departure from YMML hesding north, at night and more or less in IMC, and, acording to quite a few pilot residents at Mt Macedon, when within about 300' of starting a rather large bushfire on said mountain.
I'd have to agree with the earlier poster who said the TAA 727 clipping the Canadian DC-8's tail at SYD was probably a more serious accident with the potential to hve killed more (and was every bit as close a shave) than the EK incident. Although God only knows how many residents of Keilor the EK bird might have taken with it if it cleared the Keilor gully before hitting the ground.
I'd have to agree with the earlier poster who said the TAA 727 clipping the Canadian DC-8's tail at SYD was probably a more serious accident with the potential to hve killed more (and was every bit as close a shave) than the EK incident. Although God only knows how many residents of Keilor the EK bird might have taken with it if it cleared the Keilor gully before hitting the ground.
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Thanks for that, but he said the CX flight "...settled toward or even onto the runway beyond, and then continued its somewhat spectacular takeoff..."
Now I haven't flown out of Sydney much, but I'd say there would've been less than a thousand feet of runway beyond what was then TWY Charlie, meaning it would have been a big effort for the CX jet to "...settle toward or even onto..." that tiny bit of tarmac after passing overhead another 747...
Now I haven't flown out of Sydney much, but I'd say there would've been less than a thousand feet of runway beyond what was then TWY Charlie, meaning it would have been a big effort for the CX jet to "...settle toward or even onto..." that tiny bit of tarmac after passing overhead another 747...